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#1395739 - 04/05/13 02:28 PM ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License
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Riverview Gun Sales, Shop That Sold Firearm To Newtown Mom, Loses License:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/riverview-gun-sales-newtown_n_3020029.html
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#1395849 - 04/06/13 06:14 PM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Riverview Gun Sales, Shop That Sold Firearm To Newtown Mom, Loses License:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/riverview-gun-sales-newtown_n_3020029.html


Over 3,200 gun deaths in U.S. since Newtown...
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-...s-since-newtown
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#1396125 - 04/08/13 01:50 PM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Riverview Gun Sales, Shop That Sold Firearm To Newtown Mom, Loses License:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/riverview-gun-sales-newtown_n_3020029.html


Over 3,200 gun deaths in U.S. since Newtown...
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-...s-since-newtown


Did you see the map next to this? 29 killed in Oakland. 23 in LA. 22 in DC. 55 in Philly. 63 in Chicago. Perhaps we should ban cities? The massive concentration of these deaths are in areas with already stringent gun control (NYC, NJ, DC, Philly, CA, Chicago, Detroit).
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#1396134 - 04/08/13 02:28 PM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Greymane]
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The massive concentration of these deaths are in areas with already stringent gun control (NYC, NJ, DC, Philly, CA, Chicago, Detroit).

They can't control a city ,well better not try the country Boys.
Hell no do not mess with our family,women,or guns.
RedNecks rule in the rual areas.
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#1396136 - 04/08/13 03:16 PM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: I did it!]
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Originally Posted By: I did it!
The massive concentration of these deaths are in areas with already stringent gun control (NYC, NJ, DC, Philly, CA, Chicago, Detroit).

They can't control a city ,well better not try the country Boys.
Hell no do not mess with our family,women,or guns.
RedNecks rule in the rual areas.


Yes, so right. Far better to let the gangs control everything, right, my SoCal amigo? Police "protection" is merely an illusion out there.
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#1396189 - 04/09/13 12:11 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Greymane]
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Originally Posted By: Greymane
Originally Posted By: I did it!
The massive concentration of these deaths are in areas with already stringent gun control (NYC, NJ, DC, Philly, CA, Chicago, Detroit).

They can't control a city ,well better not try the country Boys.
Hell no do not mess with our family,women,or guns.
RedNecks rule in the rual areas.

Yes, so right. Far better to let the gangs control everything, right, my SoCal amigo? Police "protection" is merely an illusion out there.

Gee... I wonder if there's a common thread here? Whatever in the world could you possibly be getting at? Hmm?
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#1396197 - 04/09/13 02:42 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: I did it!]
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Originally Posted By: I did it!
The massive concentration of these deaths are in areas with already stringent gun control (NYC, NJ, DC, Philly, CA, Chicago, Detroit).

They can't control a city ,well better not try the country Boys.
Hell no do not mess with our family,women,or guns.
RedNecks rule in the rual areas.

And yet, the states with the highest per capita firearm deaths, are all the gun-nutter states.

#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4
Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8
Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1
Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50

#17, Missouri
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9
Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50

#19, North Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.3
Permissive gun laws: 28th out of 50

#20, Florida
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50

#21, Kansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.5
Permissive gun laws: 14th out of 50

#22, Indiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.6
Permissive gun laws: 21st out of 50

#23, Texas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 32nd out of 50

#24, Michigan
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.9
Permissive gun laws: 39th out of 50

#25, Maryland
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1
Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

#26, Colorado
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 24rd out of 50

#27, Pennsylvania
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 40th out of 50

#28, Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 35th out of 50

#29, Utah
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.5
Permissive gun laws: 18th out of 50

#30, Vermont
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.4
Permissive gun laws: 3rd out of 50

#31, Oregon
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 30th out of 50

#32, North Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.9
Permissive gun laws: 15th out of 50

#33, Ohio
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.6
Permissive gun laws: 29th out of 50

#34, Maine
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.1
Permissive gun laws: 9th out of 50

#35, Delaware
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.2
Permissive gun laws: 33rd out of 50

#36, Wisconsin
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.7
Permissive gun laws: 34th out of 50

#37, Nebraska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 19th out of 50

#38, South Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.5
Permissive gun laws: 16th out of 50

#39, Washington
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.5
Permissive gun laws: 37th out of 50

#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50
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#1396214 - 04/09/13 09:24 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
And yet, the states with the highest per capita firearm deaths, are all the gun-nutter states.

I wonder where Washington DC would fall in that list The rate must be really low because guns were banned there.

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#1396218 - 04/09/13 09:45 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
And yet, the states with the highest per capita firearm deaths, are all the gun-nutter states.

I wonder where Washington DC would fall in that list The rate must be really low because guns were banned there.
I don't know why Comrade Joesph is whining about gun deaths. All it means is less Rednecks for the FEMMA Gulags.

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#1396219 - 04/09/13 09:47 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
And yet, the states with the highest per capita firearm deaths, are all the gun-nutter states.

I wonder where Washington DC would fall in that list The rate must be really low because guns were banned there.
I don't know why Comrade Joesph is whining about gun deaths. All it means is less Rednecks for the FEMMA Gulags.

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#1396220 - 04/09/13 09:48 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Timbo]
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I know this is a hard concept to understand, but if you greatly reduce the ability to obtain legal guns, you end up with fewer deaths FROM LEGAL GUNS and more deaths from ILLEGAL GUNS.

If we banned or greatly restricted tractors, there would be much fewer tractor deaths. Good thing we don't ban alcohol. Wouldn't want to reduce those 13,000 deaths a year (just from traffic accidents, we won't count the thousands of other acohol related deaths).

Your logic falters in that Washington DC (that shining emblem of bureautratic bullcrap) has a rate 150% that of any state and gun ownership is almost non-existent. Since Newtown, 1 in 10 gun deaths in the US was in California.
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#1396223 - 04/09/13 09:55 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Greymane]
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Despite the ever-growing restrictions in NY, prior to my leaving the state, most people I knew were gun owners (and I am not talking one or two guns in nearly every case), yet with few exceptions, the gun deaths regularly seemed to be in Rochester, Syracuse, Buffalo, NYC, Albany. That is NOT a gun problem.
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#1396224 - 04/09/13 10:09 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Timbo]
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If people who are exempt from a law are telling you it is a bad law, why wouldn't you listen to them


Survey Finds Law Enforcement United Against Gun Control

April 8, 2013

99 Percent Believe "Assault Weapons" Ban is Not Most Important
Measure to Stop Mass Shootings

FAIRFAX, Va. – PoliceOne.com released today the results of an extensive survey of about 15,000 active and retired law enforcement officers of all ranks and from departments ranging in size from less than 25 to more than 1,000.

These results strongly show that law enforcement officers do not support President Obama’s gun control agenda. They do, however, strongly support the Right-to-Carry by law-abiding Americans. The survey respondents are united in their desire for politicians to focus on keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and to reject unconstitutional gun control measures that infringe on Second Amendment rights.

“The American people, and particularly the members of law enforcement, want politicians in Washington to stop pursuing a failed political agenda and get to work fixing our broken mental health system, improving school security, and getting criminals off the streets,” said the executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox.

The following are some key findings:

99 percent said policies other than an “assault weapons” ban are most important to prevent mass shootings.
Almost 96 percent said that a ban on standard capacity magazines would not reduce violent crime.
More than 91 percent stated that the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime should have stiff, mandatory sentences, and no plea-bargains.
More than 91 percent stated they supported the Right-to-Carry by law abiding Americans.
More than 81 percent said that “gun buy-backs” do not reduce gun violence.
80 percent believe legally armed citizens can reduce casualties in incidents of mass violence.
Nearly 80 percent said that a ban on private transfers of firearms between law-abiding citizens would not reduce violent crime.
More than 76 percent indicated that legally armed citizens are important to reducing crime.
More than 76 percent support the arming of trained and qualified teachers or administrators who volunteer to carry a firearm.
More than 70 percent said that a ban on “assault weapons” would not reduce violent crime.
More than 70 percent opposed the idea of a national registry of legal gun sales.
Nearly 68 percent said magazine capacity restrictions would negatively affect them personally.
More than 60 percent said that the passage of Obama’s gun control legislation would not improve officer safety.
Click here to read the complete survey: http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf

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#1396225 - 04/09/13 10:11 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Greymane]
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Originally Posted By: Greymane
I know this is a hard concept to understand, but if you greatly reduce the ability to obtain legal guns, you end up with fewer deaths FROM LEGAL GUNS and more deaths from ILLEGAL GUNS.

If we banned or greatly restricted tractors, there would be much fewer tractor deaths. Good thing we don't ban alcohol. Wouldn't want to reduce those 13,000 deaths a year (just from traffic accidents, we won't count the thousands of other acohol related deaths).

Your logic falters in that Washington DC (that shining emblem of bureautratic bullcrap) has a rate 150% that of any state and gun ownership is almost non-existent. Since Newtown, 1 in 10 gun deaths in the US was in California.

Except, we're not talking about farm equipment OR alcohol, so stop trying to change the subject just because you don't like the subject. They are separate issues with completely separate causes and effects.
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#1396226 - 04/09/13 10:16 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Greymane
I know this is a hard concept to understand, but if you greatly reduce the ability to obtain legal guns, you end up with fewer deaths FROM LEGAL GUNS and more deaths from ILLEGAL GUNS.

If we banned or greatly restricted tractors, there would be much fewer tractor deaths. Good thing we don't ban alcohol. Wouldn't want to reduce those 13,000 deaths a year (just from traffic accidents, we won't count the thousands of other acohol related deaths).

Your logic falters in that Washington DC (that shining emblem of bureautratic bullcrap) has a rate 150% that of any state and gun ownership is almost non-existent. Since Newtown, 1 in 10 gun deaths in the US was in California.

Except we're not talking about farm equipment OR alcohol, so stop trying to change the subject just because you don't that subject. They are separate issues with completely separate cause and effect.
Ahahahahahahahaha...sounds like you're getting a little testy Comrade Joesph! Remember this Comrade Joesph, "Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out"!!


Edited by Chicago Jesus (04/09/13 10:19 AM)

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#1396227 - 04/09/13 10:16 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Greymane]
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Originally Posted By: Greymane
Despite the ever-growing restrictions in NY, prior to my leaving the state, most people I knew were gun owners (and I am not talking one or two guns in nearly every case), yet with few exceptions, the gun deaths regularly seemed to be in Rochester, Syracuse, Buffalo, NYC, Albany. That is NOT a gun problem.

Seems to YOU maybe. The most revealing statistics are only found in per capita deaths, and fortunately for the North Eastern States, the numbers are exceedingly low.

I assume the families of those killed, would consider those shooting to be a problem, indeed.
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#1396228 - 04/09/13 10:19 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Greymane
I know this is a hard concept to understand, but if you greatly reduce the ability to obtain legal guns, you end up with fewer deaths FROM LEGAL GUNS and more deaths from ILLEGAL GUNS.

If we banned or greatly restricted tractors, there would be much fewer tractor deaths. Good thing we don't ban alcohol. Wouldn't want to reduce those 13,000 deaths a year (just from traffic accidents, we won't count the thousands of other acohol related deaths).

Your logic falters in that Washington DC (that shining emblem of bureautratic bullcrap) has a rate 150% that of any state and gun ownership is almost non-existent. Since Newtown, 1 in 10 gun deaths in the US was in California.

Except we're not talking about farm equipment OR alcohol, so stop trying to change the subject just because you don't that subject. They are separate issues with completely separate cause and effect.
Ahahahahahahahaha...sounds like you're getting a little testy Comrade Joesph!

You've never seen me testy, little princess.

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#1396229 - 04/09/13 10:22 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Greymane
I know this is a hard concept to understand, but if you greatly reduce the ability to obtain legal guns, you end up with fewer deaths FROM LEGAL GUNS and more deaths from ILLEGAL GUNS.

If we banned or greatly restricted tractors, there would be much fewer tractor deaths. Good thing we don't ban alcohol. Wouldn't want to reduce those 13,000 deaths a year (just from traffic accidents, we won't count the thousands of other acohol related deaths).

Your logic falters in that Washington DC (that shining emblem of bureautratic bullcrap) has a rate 150% that of any state and gun ownership is almost non-existent. Since Newtown, 1 in 10 gun deaths in the US was in California.

Except we're not talking about farm equipment OR alcohol, so stop trying to change the subject just because you don't that subject. They are separate issues with completely separate cause and effect.
Ahahahahahahahaha...sounds like you're getting a little testy Comrade Joesph!

You've never seen me testy, little princess.
Ahahahahahaha... little princess! What ever you say short stuff!

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#1396241 - 04/09/13 10:32 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: ]
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As with so many who support the gun laws (or any of the myriad of bills submitted in Congress), it is almost never about an actual FIX to the PROBLEM, it is about appearances, perception, and not ticking off the group most likely to elect you.

Our budget should stand as proof that our government has no real intent to come up with solutions. All too soon the house of cards will fall. I hope this is not the case and I would like to see change, but we all know where HOPE AND CHANGE have gotten us.

You are all to willing to believe that there is some real effort here to change the culture in America. The effort here is simply to divert the people's attention away from the real problems in this country.

If guns are all the problem, why is more effort put into enforcing marijuana laws than gun laws? Proper enforcement would go much, much further than any addiitonal laws.
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#1396247 - 04/09/13 11:56 AM Re: ATF Revokes 'Riverview Gun Sales' License [Re: Greymane]
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Grey, new laws are Little Timmy's bread and butter, it's job security for him. If it wasn't for new laws, those pesky tour guides would get out of line.

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