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#1386182 --- 02/05/13 03:10 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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was it you that sent the pm's?
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#1387123 --- 02/13/13 01:51 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
The US and


did your great leader mention you in his speech last night?

must have missed it...
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#1387702 --- 02/18/13 01:21 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Obama Could Go it Alone, Bring All the Troops Home, and Stop the Killing
Focusing on the executive actions you can take without Congress is a great idea, Mr. President.


you going to defend the USA from north korea?
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#1388935 --- 02/26/13 01:32 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=865352#.USy0y1f090Q

ONONDAGA (AP) -- An animal welfare organization has taken 14 neglected horses from property owned by the Onondaga Nation where seven other horses were found dead.

The Syracuse Post-Standard reports volunteers from the Central New York SPCA went to the 156-acre farm in the town of Onondaga after getting reports of mistreatment earlier this month.

Paul Morgan, the organizations executive director, says the surviving animals were emaciated, in poor condition and appeared to be wild.

The property has been owned by the Onondagas since 1999, but isn't on their reservation.

Morgan says the tribe is cooperating and a group of Clan Mothers issued a statement saying they weren't aware of the mistreated horses.
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#1389958 --- 03/04/13 03:37 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

30-60 million in the Central and South Americas


and what is a rough population total of 'tribal' members in central and south america today?
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#1390261 --- 03/05/13 06:13 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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SENECA FALLS — Calling them “major contraband cigarette dealers,” state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has sued Native American companies in Canada and western New York.

Schneiderman announced Monday that a lawsuit against Grand River Enterprise in Ohsweken, Ontario, Canada, and its wholesaler, Native Wholesale Supply of Perrysburg, Cattaraugus County, was filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn. The lawsuit charges Grand River Enterprise and Native Wholesale Supply with selling illegal cigarettes in New York, based on two incidents Schneiderman said establishes that the companies are selling and trafficking large quantities of untaxed cigarettes. One of the incidents Schneiderman cites is the Jan. 16 raid by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms at the Skydancer Smoke Shop in Seneca Falls, operated by the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma. ATF agents seized, among other items, more than 16,230 cartons of unstamped Seneca tribal brand cigarettes.

Schneiderman also cited a Nov. 6, 2012, undercover purchase of unstamped Grand River Seneca brand cigarettes from a smoke shop on the Poospatuck Reservation in Mastic, Long Island. During that purchase, investigators reported more than 50 cartons of Seneca brand cigarettes on display in the store. The lawsuit charges that Grand River Enterprise avoided state taxes by illegally selling its products to Native Wholesale Supply instead of a state-licensed stamping agent who would prepay the cigarette excise tax and affix a tax stamp, as required by the law.

Schneiderman said that from November 2011 to July 2012, Native Wholesale Supply paid $85 million to Grand River Enterprises for its cigarettes, which accounts for more than three million
cartons of cigarettes and a potential tax loss to the state of more than $13.2 million.

Under federal law, Grand River could face a civil penalty of up to 2 percent of the gross sale of cigarettes for the year, which could be “tens of millions of dollars.” Licensed stamping agents are the only entities in the state authorized by the state Department of Taxation and Finance to affix a tax stamp and collect the excise tax due. On-reservation cigarette sales to tribal members can be made tax-exempt, but those cigarettes still must have the tax stamp affixed by a licensed stamping agent, Schneiderman said. “The illegal sale of contraband cigarettes violates both state and federal laws, robs New Yorkers of the funds to pay for essential state services, places legitimate businesses that play by the rules at a competitive disadvantage and makes it easier for young people to take up a deadly habit,” Schneiderman said. “My office is committed to taking action to stop the illegal sale of contraband cigarettes to protect the state’s fiscal and physical health and ensure all businesses in New York are playing by one set of rules.”

The federal Contraband Cigarette Trafficking Act makes it unlawful to possess, sell or distribute more than 50 cartons of untaxed cigarettes in a state that requires tax stamps and tax collection. The lawsuit also claims the two companies violated the federal Preventing All Cigarette Trafficking Act and state tax and public health laws by not reporting these sales to the Department of Taxation and Finance, as required. In December 2012, Schneiderman filed a similar lawsuit against King Mountain Tobacco Company in the state of Washington for selling hundreds of thousands of its cigarettes in New York each year without paying the required state excise tax.

“I don’t know much about this lawsuit and the attorney general didn’t contact me about filing it, but I’ll take a look and see what effect, if any, it has on cigarette sales by the Cayuga Indian Nation in Seneca County,” said Frank Fisher, Seneca County Attorney. “I knew he took an action in the Northern District Court against the Mohawks. Our question is if Skydancer was in violation, why aren’t the Cayugas also being targeted?” Fisher asked. “This is a positive development for the county, for taxpayers and the state. We have been trying to get the state and federal government to enforce these laws and all have an even playing field.”


The matter is being handled for the Attorney General’s Office by Tobacco Compliance Bureau Assistant Attorney General Sarah Evans. She is under the supervision of Tobacco Compliance Bureau Chief Dana Biberman and First Deputy of Affirmative Litigation Janet Sabel.
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#1390449 --- 03/06/13 02:54 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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teonan - here is some reading for you


Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Treaties

I've been involved in federal Indian policy since 1998. Ill start by emphasizing some words and phrases.

Indians not taxed infers they should not be taxed but is not in any treaty. The words are in Article One Section Two of the U.S. Constitution referring to congressional apportionment counting the constituents of the district they represent and excluded Indians who were not citizens or lived on reservations and, thus, not taxed. It has nothing to do with taxation itself.

Treaties are the supreme law of the land. Yes they are. They are acts of Congress which can be superseded by any further act of Congress. The Panama Canal Treaty 1903 - 1977 - here one day - gone the next.

As long as the grass shall grow and waters flow was never in a US or NY treaty but was in a Johnny Cash song and a few treaties with the Confederate states during the Civil War. The Confederate States lost the war. Their treaties don't count. It is all Hollywood.

Those sound bites miss the rest of the story.

The Canandaigua Treaty, which I'll work up to in a bit, needs the reat of the story.

Indian law as it affects us is not written by tribal governments, its Constitutional law written in the English language.

It's what governs our lives and I don't think most of the elected Congressmen that swore to uphold it have read it. The powers not granted to the government are reserved to the people.

It and the many treaties that have been written are all inclusive and to be taken in whole at face value.

Laws written by Congress are to adhere to the Constitution and the Supreme Court of the United States rules on such based on the Constitution and sometimes the dictionary because the Constitution is written in English. This was recently made obvious in their ruling to the Narangasset tribe in the Carcieri case explaining what the word "now" meant. Hopefully we all know the word “now” means at the present, at this moment and immediately.

Therefore a tribe not under federal jurisdiction in 1934 did not qualify to apply for land in trust.

None of the New York tribes on their State reservations have ever been under federal jurisdiction because they do not reside on federal lands and none accepted to reorganize under the IRA. The US trust relationship with tribal governments is not the same as having jurisdiction over them.

Especially important is touching on treaties which apply to New York State the courts have already ruled that treaties made by the State when the US was under the Articles of Confederation before the State joined the union are valid because states had the authority to make such treaties on their own.

Remember the importance of the word NOW and that every word is important.

The Sept. 22, 1788 Treaty of Fort Schuyler states

"First, the Oneidas do CEDE and grant ALL their lands to the people of the STATE OF NEW YORK, forever."

[Note the word "cede" means to surrender or give up something such as land, rights, or power, to another country, group, or person. In this case to the State of New York before they joined the union.

The word ALL means every part of, the whole, the complete, the entire.

And the word Forever means eternally, evermore, perpetually, without end.

So the State of NY held TITLE to ALL these lands.]
The word Title means ownership, deed, right, claim.
Continuing with the treaty ]>

Secondly, OF THE SAID CEDED LANDS the following tract, to wit: and a description of about 300,000 acres follows

[Note the word "of" is a preposition used to indicate material, component parts, substance, or contents. In this case "of the ceded lands" means the 300,000 acres was part of the word ALL and ALSO ceded to the State of New York and NOT a "set aside", which has been misstated in many court arguments.
shall be reserved for the following several uses; . . . .

the Oneidas shall hold to themselves and their posterity, forever, for their own use and cultivation, but not to be sold, leased, or in any other manner aliened or disposed of, to others.

[That is because the Oneida tribe did not own the land which NY held title to. ]

Following that a provision allows the tribe to rent lands for no longer than 21 years and the people of the State of New York shall make provision by law to compel the lessees to pay the rents.

[That is because it was the State which owned the land and had jurisdiction over the tribe.]

Thirdly, in consideration of the said cession and grant, the people of the State of New York do, at this treaty, pay to the Oneidas $5,500 initially plus $600 / year forever which has now been 235 years or an additional $141,000.

[That's rather generous considering the US was only paying about four cents an acre for tribal lands at the time. ]

Fourthly, the people of the State of New York may, in such manner as they shall deem proper, prevent any persons, except the Oneidas, from residing or settling on the lands so to be held by the Oneidas.

This section refers twice to "of the CEDED lands".

Again under the Articles of Confederation

The February 25, 1789 Treaty of Albany with the Cayuga tribe.
“First: the Cayugas do CEDE and grant ALL their lands to the people of the State of New York , forever.”

Secondly: the Cayugas shall, OF THE CEDED LANDS, hold to themselves, and to their posterity, forever, for their own use and cultivation, but not to be sold, leased, or in any other manner alienated, or disposed of, to others, all that tract of land,

And a description of about 100 square miles follows.

Thirdly: the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, shall enjoy the free rights of hunting in every part of the said CEDED lands, and of fishing in all the waters within the same.

Fourthly: in consideration of the said cession and grant, the people of the State of New York do, at this present TREATY, pay to the Cayugas,

And a payment similar to the Oneida treaty follows.

Fifthly: The people of the State of New York may, at all times hereafter, in such manner, and by such means, as they shall deem proper, prevent any person, except the Cayugas and their adopted brethren the Paanese, from residing or setting on the lands to be held by the Cayugas and their posterity for their use and cultivation, and if any person shall, without the consent of the people of the State of New York, come to reside or settle on the said lands, so CEDED, as aforesaid,

[Once again it SHOULD be obvious that the State held title to all the land and the provision allowed to the tribes was a use right of State owned land. The Cayuga use rights were on State land just as the Oneidas were.

The State entered the union whole with no federal land included.

So we know the treaties were valid and we know the definition of the words now, cede, all, forever and of. See how simple that is?

It does not really get any more complicated. You just have to pay attention. ]

November 11, 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua

ARTICLE 1. Peace and friendship are hereby firmly established, and shall be perpetual, between the United States and the Six Nations. [Well, we hope so. ]

ARTICLE 2. The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga and Cayuga Nations, in their respective treaties with the state of New-York,

That bares repeating
in their respective treaties with the state of New-York,
in their respective treaties with the state of New-York,

and called their reservations, to be their property;

[Note: that's right nice considering it wasn't their property, but belonged to the State.]

and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends residing thereon and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof: but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase.

[Note that, "in their respective treaties with the state of New-York" which includes the 1788 and 1789 treaties is NEVER mentioned by the tribes nor media.

, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase. Was emphasized by the Second Circuit in the Cayuga land claim but it was never clarified that it was State owned land and in accordance to the Treaties, tribes had no rights to sell the land itself.

The tribes claim this federalized the State owned land and gave them rights which they never had.

First off the State was not even a party to this Treaty so it could not concede land to the US even if it had wanted to.

Secondly the Iroquois Confederacy claim that no land transactions can take place without the consent of all six tribes and the Mohawks were not present.

The only reason the feds made the treaty instead of the State was because the Seneca were waging war in the Ohio Valley and the US was concerned that the other tribes would join them.

The only boundaries acknowledged were referenced to the Seneca recognizing lands ceded to the King of Great-Britain, and

The only recognition to the other tribal issues were in their respective treaties with the state of New-York.

The Seneca ceded to the US the rights to make a wagon road to allow the US to defend itself

And the Six Nations, and each of them, will forever allow to the people of the United States, a free passage through their lands, and the free use of the harbors and rivers adjoining and within their respective tracts of land, for the passing and securing of vessels and boats, and liberty to land their cargoes where necessary for their safety.

In exchange for this the US paid $10,000 plus $4,500 yearly forever

So taking the treaty in its entirety questions why New York State ever paid the Seneca anything to build the NYS thruway.

As per this treaty I'd also believe the Oneida could not change for the use of their marinas. Of course we know they are violating the treaty.

Another Treaty which is used in many arguments is the

Jan. 15, 1838 Treaty of Buffalo Creek

Article 7 states It is expressly understood and agreed, that this treaty must be approved by the President and ratified and confirmed by the Senate of the United States, before it shall be binding upon the parties to it.

That provision is not included in the treaties prior.

That is because THIS treaty dealt with FEDERAL lands west of the Mississippi.

The federal government made provisions to relocate the New York tribes to west of the Mississippi.

Many attorneys representing the State and counties argue that this Congressionally disestablished the (State) reservations. That's rather odd.

Wickipedia: says that since the late twentieth century, the OIN has been a party to land claim suits against the state of New York for treaties and purchases made without ratification by the United States Senate, as required under the US Constitution.

Well, I think you better back up right about here.

Because Congress cannot disestablish that which it never established and could not establish because it was never federal land. Congress never had authority over it.

Consequently, courts have ruled it was not disestablished. I agree with them. It was never established.

To argue that it was disestablished plays into the assumption that it was established in the first place, which it never was because it couldn't be because it was never federal land.

The tribes did not sell the land itself after 1790, they sold the use rights to the State land they were on back to the State, which was the only entity that qualified to purchase them.

So if you know the definitions of the words now, cede, all, forever and of and remember that the Treaty of Canandaigua acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga and Cayuga Nations, in their respective treaties with the state of New-York, you understand more than most people do who try to make it complicated.

There were Congressional acts passed in the 1950's which were ACKNOWLEDGMENTS that NYS had and has civil and criminal jurisdiction over its Indian reservations. That's because these are state reservations under the sovereignty of NYS. 25 USC 232 & 25 USC 233.
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#1392161 --- 03/15/13 06:13 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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By DAVID L. SHAW
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SENECA FALLS — Seneca County’s representative in Congress opposes the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma’s application to put 230 acres of land it owns in Seneca and Cayuga counties into federal trust.

Rep. Tom Reed, R-23 of Corning, joined the state’s two U.S. Senators, Democrats Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, in opposing the Seneca-Cayuga bid. In a Feb. 28 letter to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Reed strongly objected to the proposed trust application and recommends the prompt denial of the application made by the out-of-state tribe.

Reed told the BIA the Harris Beach Law Firm, which represents Cayuga and Seneca counties in Indian legal matters, had requested and received an extension on the deadline to submit comments until March 1. However, those counties have yet to receive a copy of the tribe’s application, Reed noted. Reed also has requested a copy of the application.

The Grove, Okla.-based tribe owns 229 acres in the Cayuga County town of Aurelius, where it once proposed building a gambling casino and hotel, and Skydancer Smoke Shop, which sits on 1.9 acres in Seneca Falls. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives raided the gas station and convenience store Jan. 17, seizing their entire cigarette inventory for not having tax stamps. The store has been closed since the raid. Reed said the ATF action “should raise significant alarms” as to whether the tribe’s application should be approved. Some of what Reed outlined as reasons for opposing the Seneca-Cayuga application:

• In 2006, the tribe applied to have the 229 acres in Cayuga County put in federal trust in order to build their casino and hotel. The BIA rejected the application in 2008 because the land was too far from their Oklahoma reservation to realisti cally provide jobs to tribal members. Reed said the conditions and circumstances in the current application have not changed related to this land.

• The construction of a Class III casino on land in trust requires the consent of the governor. Reed said Gov. Andrew Cuomo doesn’t seem likely to approve a casino for an out-of-state Indian tribe.

• Reed claims the Secretary of the Interior has no statutory or constitutional authority to grant trust status. Reed agrees with Harris Beach’s 2005 arguments saying the intent of the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934 was to restore reservation land that had been lost to tribes due to allotment. “The Seneca-Cayugas lost no New York land due to allotment,” Reed said, adding Section 465 of the federal act does not apply to New York tribes.

• Placing this land in trust would be at odds with a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in city of Sherrill vs. the Oneida Indian Nation of New York. Reed said the Sherrill decision recognized the importance of preserving the long-standing governance of lands by municipalities in New York state.
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#1392165 --- 03/15/13 06:14 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
By DAVID L. SHAW
dshaw@fltimes.com

SENECA FALLS — Seneca County’s representative in Congress opposes the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma’s application to put 230 acres of land it owns in Seneca and Cayuga counties into federal trust.

Rep. Tom Reed, R-23 of Corning, joined the state’s two U.S. Senators, Democrats Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, in opposing the Seneca-Cayuga bid. In a Feb. 28 letter to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Reed strongly objected to the proposed trust application and recommends the prompt denial of the application made by the out-of-state tribe.
At least there is one issue Republicans and Democrats can agree on: Indians should pay the same taxes as all other Americans.
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#1392476 --- 03/17/13 04:49 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
The Grove, Okla.-based tribe owns 229 acres in the Cayuga County town of Aurelius, where it once proposed building a gambling casino and hotel, and Skydancer Smoke Shop, which sits on 1.9 acres in Seneca Falls.


the land should be seized by raid actions
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#1393826 --- 03/25/13 10:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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• Placing this land in trust would be at odds with a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in city of Sherrill vs. the Oneida Indian Nation of New York. Reed said the Sherrill decision recognized the importance of preserving the long-standing governance of lands by municipalities in New York state.


there are no federal resevations in NYS
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#1394180 --- 03/27/13 05:44 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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From Finger Lakes Times today:

County Attorney Frank Fisher noted the Cayuga Indian Nation has until April 3 to file a legal brief to the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Manhattan regarding the property foreclosure case. The county would then have 10 days to submit a reply before the court schedules oral arguments in the summer or early fall.

In 2010, the county attempted to foreclose on five properties owned by the Cayugas after the tribe did not pay property taxes for three years. The tribe took the matter to court. Federal District Court Judge Charles Siragusa of Rochester ruled in the Cayugas’ favor. The county appealed to the 2nd Circuit Court.

“No matter how the 2nd Circuit rules, this case is going to the U.S. Supreme Court,” predicted Shipley, the committee chairman. “It is identical to the Madison and Oneida county case against the Oneida Indian Nation that was heard five years ago Fisher agreed.
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#1394323 --- 03/28/13 11:32 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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By DAVID L. SHAW
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SENECA FALLS — Calling them “major contraband cigarette dealers,” state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has sued Native American companies in Canada and western New York.

Schneiderman announced Monday that a lawsuit against Grand River Enterprise in Ohsweken, Ontario, Canada, and its wholesaler, Native Wholesale Supply of Perrysburg, Cattaraugus County, was filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn. The lawsuit charges Grand River Enterprise and Native Wholesale Supply with selling illegal cigarettes in New York, based on two incidents Schneiderman said establishes that the companies are selling and trafficking large quantities of untaxed cigarettes. One of the incidents Schneiderman cites is the Jan. 16 raid by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms at the Skydancer Smoke Shop in Seneca Falls, operated by the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma. ATF agents seized, among other items, more than 16,230 cartons of unstamped Seneca tribal brand cigarettes.

Schneiderman also cited a Nov. 6, 2012, undercover purchase of unstamped Grand River Seneca brand cigarettes from a smoke shop on the Poospatuck Reservation in Mastic, Long Island. During that purchase, investigators reported more than 50 cartons of Seneca brand cigarettes on display in the store. The lawsuit charges that Grand River Enterprise avoided state taxes by illegally selling its products to Native Wholesale Supply instead of a state-licensed stamping agent who would prepay the cigarette excise tax and affix a tax stamp, as required by the law.

Schneiderman said that from November 2011 to July 2012, Native Wholesale Supply paid $85 million to Grand River Enterprises for its cigarettes, which accounts for more than three million
cartons of cigarettes and a potential tax loss to the state of more than $13.2 million.

Under federal law, Grand River could face a civil penalty of up to 2 percent of the gross sale of cigarettes for the year, which could be “tens of millions of dollars.” Licensed stamping agents are the only entities in the state authorized by the state Department of Taxation and Finance to affix a tax stamp and collect the excise tax due. On-reservation cigarette sales to tribal members can be made tax-exempt, but those cigarettes still must have the tax stamp affixed by a licensed stamping agent, Schneiderman said. “The illegal sale of contraband cigarettes violates both state and federal laws, robs New Yorkers of the funds to pay for essential state services, places legitimate businesses that play by the rules at a competitive disadvantage and makes it easier for young people to take up a deadly habit,” Schneiderman said. “My office is committed to taking action to stop the illegal sale of contraband cigarettes to protect the state’s fiscal and physical health and ensure all businesses in New York are playing by one set of rules.”

The federal Contraband Cigarette Trafficking Act makes it unlawful to possess, sell or distribute more than 50 cartons of untaxed cigarettes in a state that requires tax stamps and tax collection. The lawsuit also claims the two companies violated the federal Preventing All Cigarette Trafficking Act and state tax and public health laws by not reporting these sales to the Department of Taxation and Finance, as required. In December 2012, Schneiderman filed a similar lawsuit against King Mountain Tobacco Company in the state of Washington for selling hundreds of thousands of its cigarettes in New York each year without paying the required state excise tax.

“I don’t know much about this lawsuit and the attorney general didn’t contact me about filing it, but I’ll take a look and see what effect, if any, it has on cigarette sales by the Cayuga Indian Nation in Seneca County,” said Frank Fisher, Seneca County Attorney. “I knew he took an action in the Northern District Court against the Mohawks. Our question is if Skydancer was in violation, why aren’t the Cayugas also being targeted?” Fisher asked. “This is a positive development for the county, for taxpayers and the state. We have been trying to get the state and federal government to enforce these laws and all have an even playing field.”


The matter is being handled for the Attorney General’s Office by Tobacco Compliance Bureau Assistant Attorney General Sarah Evans. She is under the supervision of Tobacco Compliance Bureau Chief Dana Biberman and First Deputy of Affirmative Litigation Janet Sabel.


$13.2 million dollars that the state wasn't able to waste on their liberal agendas....

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#1395571 --- 04/04/13 01:53 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
County Attorney Frank Fisher noted the Cayuga Indian Nation


US citizenship in 1924
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#1397937 --- 04/19/13 12:51 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
The US


remember to hide behind the USA so you will not have to deal with north korea...

...like you could


Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: twocats



Snicker snicker...


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#1400828 --- 05/09/13 12:50 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
By conservative estimates,



the funding for hurricane sandy has gone to the 'tribes' year after year after year...


Originally Posted By: twocats
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#1401107 --- 05/11/13 10:20 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Hysterical how you take info from a completely different thread and try to make it about the Indians \:\/
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#1401599 --- 05/15/13 04:53 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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By DAVID L. SHAW
dshaw@fltimes.com

SENECA FALLS — A bill introduced in the state Legislature would direct the state to reimburse counties where Indian tribes refuse to pay local property taxes.

If passed and signed into law, it could benefit Seneca and Cayuga counties, where the Cayuga Indian Nation refuses to pay property taxes on land it owns, and Madison and Oneida counties, where the Oneida Indian Nation has not paid property taxes on its holdings.

The bill was introduced in the state Senate by Mike Nozzolio, R-54 of Fayette, and in the state Assembly by Brian Kolb, R-131 of Canandaigua, and William Magee, D-121 of Nelson. Phil Palmesano, R-132 of Corning, and Bob Oaks, R-130 of Macedon, are co-sponsoring the bill in the Assembly. The Cayugas owe nearly $1.5 million in local town, school, county and village property taxes in the two counties, mostly in Seneca County.
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#1401646 --- 05/16/13 12:03 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Hysterical how you take info from a completely different thread and try to make it about the Indians \:\/


how much funding was needed for hurricane sandy?
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#1401678 --- 05/16/13 08:57 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Not sure but you and your trailer park cronies cost the US over $80 BILLION/year in food stamps.....that doesn't even count Medicaid or cash benefits! \:\/

Last year more than 47 million people used the SNAP program with the cost more than doubling since 2008. The rolls rose rapidly because of the economic downturn, rising food prices and expanded eligibility under President Barack Obama’s 2009 economic stimulus law.
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