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#1389039 --- 02/26/13 03:46 PM Winter residence?
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Upon information and belief a village board member has failed to disclose that he no longer resides in the village limits therefore he must give up his seat. This member who is a active member of the village fire department must also resign from the fire department. Why the mayor would allow this person to continue to sit on the village board and receive a paycheck in violation of state law is any-one's guess, I for one would like to know.


Edited by j3668py (02/26/13 06:20 PM)

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#1389051 --- 02/26/13 04:18 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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It's a winter residence. Some people are fortunate enough, and have worked hard enough to have one. His legal residence is village of Penn Yan. He is entirely eligible to remain a board and fire department member. You have no proof or facts to back up your claim. Non issue!

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#1389064 --- 02/26/13 05:23 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: LowLight]
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Originally Posted By: LowLight
It's a winter residence. Some people are fortunate enough, and have worked hard enough to have one. His legal residence is village of Penn Yan. He is entirely eligible to remain a board and fire department member. You have no proof or facts to back up your claim. Non issue!
A winter residence on E. Valley Rd. are you kidding me?

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#1389067 --- 02/26/13 05:35 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: LowLight]
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Originally Posted By: LowLight
It's a winter residence. Some people are fortunate enough, and have worked hard enough to have one. His legal residence is village of Penn Yan. He is entirely eligible to remain a board and fire department member. You have no proof or facts to back up your claim. Non issue!
Most people who live up north have a winter residence down south like Florida not 12 miles away from their summer home, worked hard enough you must be taking about someone else because this guy is as lazy as they come. We know he didn't earn his losap points like most of the honest firemen did, and he now has a major issue he's been exposed for what he really is.


Edited by j3668py (02/26/13 06:17 PM)

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#1389072 --- 02/26/13 06:53 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Oh right, one should do what most people do. Lets say its a weekend home. You can change the thread name to weekend home, and throw out another unproven accusation about him.

Village resident+ elected village trustee= you can't do nothin about it.

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#1389080 --- 02/26/13 07:49 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: LowLight]
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Originally Posted By: LowLight
Oh right, one should do what most people do. Lets say its a weekend home. You can change the thread name to weekend home, and throw out another unproven accusation about him.

Village resident+ elected village trustee= you can't do nothin about it.
Now its a weekend home is that why he stays there during the week? I think you should be silent, collecting a paycheck under false pretensions is a crime and we'll see what can be done about it.

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#1389147 --- 02/27/13 09:15 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Oh JC give it a rest already!

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#1389210 --- 02/27/13 01:40 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Here in PY]
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I wish I had that much free time.

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#1389248 --- 02/27/13 04:13 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: LowLight]
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Originally Posted By: LowLight
Oh right, one should do what most people do. Lets say its a weekend home. You can change the thread name to weekend home, and throw out another unproven accusation about him.

Village resident+ elected village trustee= you can't do nothin about it.
The taxpayers of Penn Yan have a right to demand that someone who is elected to the village board follow New York state law that clearly states that a person must be a village resident. Evidence clearly shows that this individual no longer lives in the village, if the village board fails to make this rogue trustee resign then its a possibility that the village could face expensive lawsuits in the future. For once in his life this man should bite the bullet and do what's in the best interest of the village instead of his wallet, I think this rogue trustee and firemen should know that his fellow firemen brought this issue to my attention they fear that he might jeopardize the losap program if doesn't resign.

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#1389252 --- 02/27/13 04:34 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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With all that's going on with the federal and state government this is what's got your short hairs in a twist. Who is going to file the suit? Maybe that person should do what's best for the village of Penn Yan and the tax payers there.

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#1389289 --- 02/27/13 08:00 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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I find it so interesting that you know so much about people that you have no contact with personally. You are constantly coming on here to stir the pot. Rarely do we see anything positive from you. Word is that you're running for Mayor. Is your platform payback and spite?

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#1389341 --- 02/28/13 06:59 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: nolyingpy]
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Originally Posted By: nolyingpy
I find it so interesting that you know so much about people that you have no contact with personally. You are constantly coming on here to stir the pot. Rarely do we see anything positive from you. Word is that you're running for Mayor. Is your platform payback and spite?
j3668py is not running you've got the wrong guy again P.C.!


Edited by Honestly (02/28/13 07:10 AM)

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#1389344 --- 02/28/13 07:46 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: Honestly]
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If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not wrong about the fact that he is making a lot of trouble for people he has personal issues with. Last I knew, lots of people in Penn Yan have two homes in the immediate area and he wants to make a federal case out if it. If he is getting this info second-hand from some wimp that can't stand up for himself, that's even worse. What a waste if everyone's time. This is why people have an issue with this person. Who is P. C.? As Sweet Brown says "ain't nobody got time for that".

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#1389414 --- 02/28/13 04:02 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: nolyingpy]
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Originally Posted By: nolyingpy
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not wrong about the fact that he is making a lot of trouble for people he has personal issues with. Last I knew, lots of people in Penn Yan have two homes in the immediate area and he wants to make a federal case out if it. If he is getting this info second-hand from some wimp that can't stand up for himself, that's even worse. What a waste if everyone's time. This is why people have an issue with this person. Who is P. C.? As Sweet Brown says "ain't nobody got time for that".
Don't be foolish a village trustee must reside in the village NY village law 3-300, yo bro if you you don't reside then you must resign no ifs ands or buts about it that's the way it is. MG what do you think?


Edited by j3668py (02/28/13 04:04 PM)

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#1389455 --- 02/28/13 06:57 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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This should be good...

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#1389473 --- 02/28/13 10:10 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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I don't know who you are talking about. I do know some elected officials who have maintained more than one residence so they can keep a job that requires residency. It's not unusual. As long as they live in the jurisdiction part of the year there usually is not a problem.
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#1389652 --- 03/01/13 03:26 PM Re: Winter residence? [Re: j3668py]
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Originally Posted By: j3668py
Upon information and belief a village board member has failed to disclose that he no longer resides in the village limits therefore he must give up his seat. This member who is a active member of the village fire department must also resign from the fire department. Why the mayor would allow this person to continue to sit on the village board and receive a paycheck in violation of state law is any-one's guess, I for one would like to know.


You seem very knowledgeable and concerned. If you indeed have "information", have you done your duty as a citizen, and filed a complaint, stating that info?


Edited by VM Smith (03/01/13 03:27 PM)
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#1389666 --- 03/01/13 04:04 PM Re: Winter residence? [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: j3668py
Upon information and belief a village board member has failed to disclose that he no longer resides in the village limits therefore he must give up his seat. This member who is a active member of the village fire department must also resign from the fire department. Why the mayor would allow this person to continue to sit on the village board and receive a paycheck in violation of state law is any-one's guess, I for one would like to know.


You seem very knowledgeable and concerned. If you indeed have "information", have you done your duty as a citizen, and filed a complaint, stating that info?



He can't, he said taxpayers of Penn Yan have a right to demand

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#1389668 --- 03/01/13 04:11 PM Re: Winter residence? [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: j3668py
Upon information and belief a village board member has failed to disclose that he no longer resides in the village limits therefore he must give up his seat. This member who is a active member of the village fire department must also resign from the fire department. Why the mayor would allow this person to continue to sit on the village board and receive a paycheck in violation of state law is any-one's guess, I for one would like to know.


You seem very knowledgeable and concerned. If you indeed have "information", have you done your duty as a citizen, and filed a complaint, stating that info?
The mayor has been informed but he claims he can't make the trustee do what is right, any concerned citizen can petition the court and have him removed, which most likely will happen. If that does take place criminal charges could be filed against the trustee who could then loose his liquor license.

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#1389671 --- 03/01/13 04:15 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
I don't know who you are talking about. I do know some elected officials who have maintained more than one residence so they can keep a job that requires residency. It's not unusual. As long as they live in the jurisdiction part of the year there usually is not a problem.
Gene state lawyers claim that what he is doing is grounds for removable.

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#1389684 --- 03/01/13 08:13 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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I'm sure they are basing that on "if" it were to be true. This is beyond stupid to pursue. True colors are showing and ain't talking red, white and blue.....

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#1389685 --- 03/01/13 08:34 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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If it can be proven he no longer resides in the village you are probably right. If someone maintains two residences it is tough to prove which one is the primary. I know someone who lived primarily in Yates county but kept a home in Steuben county so he could keep his elected position. Unless someone counts days at each place I don't know how u could prove it.
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#1389688 --- 03/01/13 08:57 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Mean Gene]
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And only someone with an axe to grind would bother with that! I know, plant cameras in this person's house to keep track. No invasion of privacy there!

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#1389843 --- 03/03/13 09:42 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
If it can be proven he no longer resides in the village you are probably right. If someone maintains two residences it is tough to prove which one is the primary. I know someone who lived primarily in Yates county but kept a home in Steuben county so he could keep his elected position. Unless someone counts days at each place I don't know how u could prove it.
MG here is what the courts have stated must be proved, for a change to a new domicile to be effected, there must be a union of residence in fact and an " absolute and fixed intention" to abandon the former and make the new locality a fixed and permanent home. The mayor and others have stated this is exactly what the trustee has told them that is what he is doing, his new home is worth $150,000 the old home in the village has only half that value so what location do you think he is calling his permanent home?

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#1389845 --- 03/03/13 10:06 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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In the famous words of the Sergeant I broke in with, "Where's my complainant?". If you think you are right you need to make a complaint in the appropriate venue. If he is keeping the village home and not renting it out to someone you may not be able to make your case.
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#1389847 --- 03/03/13 10:26 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
In the famous words of the Sergeant I broke in with, "Where's my complainant?". If you think you are right you need to make a complaint in the appropriate venue. If he is keeping the village home and not renting it out to someone you may not be able to make your case.
Gene his neighbors in both locations have observed the changes in occupancy and it has been documented in several other court proof ways, if he doesn't do the proper thing by resigning his seat then a article 78 with testimony and documental proof can be provided to prove his guilt before the court, I don't think he wants to end up like his old boss publicity disgraced.

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#1389872 --- 03/03/13 04:47 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Well now that you have brought it up perhaps he will do the right thing.
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#1389875 --- 03/03/13 05:41 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Mean Gene]
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j3668py So put his name out there publicly in ur local paper giving the facts u have , when enough ppl start asking questions then another elected official may be forced to address the issue and ask for proof !!! Sometimes the ppl who claim intelligence get a case of the "stupids" when u start asking about their buddies....Isn't that so MG ??

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#1390109 --- 03/04/13 06:11 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well now that you have brought it up perhaps he will do the right thing.
I received a report today from a investigator from a police agency that conducted a investigation into this matter, the investigation has reveal that the trustee has moved out of the village and had attempted to keep it low keyed which failed.

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#1390323 --- 03/05/13 03:27 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Post it so we can read it.

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#1390546 --- 03/06/13 06:06 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Originally Posted By: py.eternal.cynic
Post it so we can read it.
Because of the people who supplied the information are afraid of retaliation and wish to remain anonymous at this time I won't post it, but if this matter goes to court then this information will be made public.


Edited by j3668py (03/06/13 06:10 PM)

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#1390547 --- 03/06/13 06:09 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Sure, so either foil laws were violated, there is no report, or someone did something wrong that they don't want to get caught doing. Two wrongs make a right?

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#1390549 --- 03/06/13 06:12 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Originally Posted By: py.eternal.cynic
Sure, so either foil laws were violated, there is no report, or someone did something wrong that they don't want to get caught doing. Two wrongs make a right?
Under investigation therefore not foilable at this time.

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#1390550 --- 03/06/13 06:18 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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So a police officer, or more likely a deputy sheriff released information to you of an official investigation. That's grounds for a disciplinary action at least and nullification of any criminal charge by even the dumbest attorney. How far shall we carry this?

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#1390561 --- 03/06/13 07:37 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Originally Posted By: py.eternal.cynic
So a police officer, or more likely a deputy sheriff released information to you of an official investigation. That's grounds for a disciplinary action at least and nullification of any criminal charge by even the dumbest attorney. How far shall we carry this?
Investigator, I'm the one that filed the complaint no nullification or disciplinary action, stick to selling Hamburgs and walmart beer and leave the law to the professionals.

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#1390562 --- 03/06/13 07:39 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Just keep the shelves stocked. You should do the same.

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#1390567 --- 03/06/13 08:39 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Why the heck would anyone, even you, stoop so low? You and your buddy make issues so personal that even the serious issues are lost in the soup.

Btw, how are you a professional? No professional would do this and put it on a public forum.

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#1391554 --- 03/12/13 09:43 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: nolyingpy]
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Originally Posted By: nolyingpy
Why the heck would anyone, even you, stoop so low? You and your buddy make issues so personal that even the serious issues are lost in the soup.

Btw, how are you a professional? No professional would do this and put it on a public forum.
Pot black, kettle black.

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#1391753 --- 03/13/13 07:19 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Honestly]
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Think not....

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#1391771 --- 03/13/13 09:04 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: nolyingpy]
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I would think that a professional would not want some dipstick with an ax to grind posting any information about an active case for any reason. That's up to the investigator. But once again, here we are reading about an active police investigation, posted on a public forum. Amazing. OK j, call me a few names and poke fun as usual, but your wrong for posting that stuff here.

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#1392006 --- 03/14/13 08:41 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Originally Posted By: py.eternal.cynic
I would think that a professional would not want some dipstick with an ax to grind posting any information about an active case for any reason. That's up to the investigator. But once again, here we are reading about an active police investigation, posted on a public forum. Amazing. OK j, call me a few names and poke fun as usual, but your wrong for posting that stuff here.
Accordingly to the investigator electric, water and other utilities usage records have been checked into involving this matter, plus the police are logging the coming and goings from his village home.

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#1392037 --- 03/14/13 10:50 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Originally Posted By: py.eternal.cynic
I would think that a professional would not want some dipstick with an ax to grind posting any information about an active case for any reason. That's up to the investigator. But once again, here we are reading about an active police investigation, posted on a public forum. Amazing. OK j, call me a few names and poke fun as usual, but your wrong for posting that stuff here.
Specifically, why is he wrong? Just curious?

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#1393261 --- 03/21/13 03:58 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Honestly]
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Complaint is filed. Investigated. Charges filed. Plea or trial. Discovery motions by defense attorney. Jury selection. If A public figure is arrested in a small town for it makes it more difficult for jury selection(bias) as well as opening doors for appeal. Bad practice. Let the investigator talk about the case in the court room where it belongs.

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#1393297 --- 03/21/13 07:50 PM Re: Winter residence? [Re: j3668py]
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Originally Posted By: j3668py
Upon information and belief a village board member has failed to disclose that he no longer resides in the village limits therefore he must give up his seat. This member who is a active member of the village fire department must also resign from the fire department. Why the mayor would allow this person to continue to sit on the village board and receive a paycheck in violation of state law is any-one's guess, I for one would like to know.


why not go and ask him instead of posting it here?
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#1393355 --- 03/22/13 01:21 AM Re: Winter residence? [Re: j3668py]
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any concerned citizen can petition the court and have him removed, which most likely will happen.


So, FI, you could petition the court, you could make it happen, and you would no longer be allowing this person to sit on the village board?


Edited by VM Smith (03/22/13 01:44 AM)
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#1393825 --- 03/25/13 05:07 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: LowLight]
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Originally Posted By: LowLight
It's a winter residence. Some people are fortunate enough, and have worked hard enough to have one. His legal residence is village of Penn Yan. He is entirely eligible to remain a board and fire department member. You have no proof or facts to back up your claim. Non issue!
Is it a spring home now?

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#1393827 --- 03/25/13 05:09 PM Re: Winter residence? [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Quote:
any concerned citizen can petition the court and have him removed, which most likely will happen.


So, FI, you could petition the court, you could make it happen, and you would no longer be allowing this person to sit on the village board?
One must file a article 78 which cost $315, the press is going to do a story on it, if he doesn't resign then off to court we will go.


Edited by j3668py (03/25/13 05:12 PM)

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#1393899 --- 03/26/13 09:22 AM Re: Trust him? [Re: j3668py]
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Originally Posted By: j3668py
Originally Posted By: py.eternal.cynic
I would think that a professional would not want some dipstick with an ax to grind posting any information about an active case for any reason. That's up to the investigator. But once again, here we are reading about an active police investigation, posted on a public forum. Amazing. OK j, call me a few names and poke fun as usual, but your wrong for posting that stuff here.
Accordingly to the investigator electric, water and other utilities usage records have been checked into involving this matter, plus the police are logging the coming and goings from his village home.


The FL1 forums have been VERY instrumental in introducing MANY issues in Yates County that were ignored by elected officials and the local news until they could no longer ignore it.

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#1394056 --- 03/26/13 08:13 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: Samuel]
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Not a matter of local news or breaking something open. It would however be nice to see a conviction that would stand for once.

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#1465877 --- 02/10/15 04:04 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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One year later two investigations by the YC sheriff department then a promise to hire a special prosecutor, yet no word whether he should be arrested or not, why?

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#1466943 --- 02/28/15 09:04 PM Re: Trust him? [Re: leeoh]
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FOIL the reports and find out

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