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#1387989 - 02/20/13 12:18 AM Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition
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A PTA in Wester NY is petitioning Governor Cuomo to stop the senseless "high stakes testing" in our schools. The petition has over 11,000 "signatures so far".

It reads:

"We, the undersigned, support higher standards that are reasonably designed, implemented with care, and accompanied by the resources schools need to achieve them. The New York State testing program has undermined the implementation of higher standards, by creating a test-driven environment that does not serve our children well. High stakes testing continues to waste precious taxpayer dollars and student learning time. It is time to say, "no more".

Please take a moment to read the petition and sign if you agree

Thanks

http://roundtheinkwell.com/2012/12/29/pe...stakes-testing/
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#1387991 - 02/20/13 12:38 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: coffeemamma]
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Testing only shows if they are learning. Most fail
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#1388014 - 02/20/13 08:59 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: coffeemamma]
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The petition has over 11,000 "signatures so far".


11,000 helicopter parents who believe in coddling their kids so far.

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#1388021 - 02/20/13 09:33 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: I did it!]
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Originally Posted By: I did it!
Testing only shows if they are learning. Most fail


Actually, Ben....I don't think she meant a blood alcohol test. But, that's another discussion.

What she means is that, in its never ending search for a reason why kids aren't learning, the pointy heads at State Ed. have decided its now because they weren't being tested enough.

They tried classrooms without walls, inclusion (everybody can learn AP Physics; right?), having all students get a Regent's diploma (wherein they gutted the curriculum & then graded the final exams on a curve), SMART boards, computers and iPads. And, when none of that seemed to work they decided that having teachers submit minutely detailed lesson plans every day & evaluating students every other day was the solution.

What they have failed to realize in all of this search for the magic jelly bean is that too many students don't learn because they don't see the need.
And, no amount of testing will reverse that. It isn't that the teachers aren't teaching (at least not in this region). It's that the students aren't studying.

So , State Ed. is in a frantic, and seemingly never ending search for a means by which kids will learn without having to expend any effort of their own. Osmosis, maybe? Putting an iPad under their pillow??
No, no....more testing, that's the ticket!

And, the latest tactic will be as doomed to failure as all the others. Because, the real problem is that too many kids view schooling as just an road block in their lives and not a means to greater success.
They want to be rock stars, or movie stars, or reality stars, or professional athletes. They want Andy Warhol's 15 minutes. And, school is just holding them back.

Quoting from a local Regents diploma, & recent OCC graduate, "You guys read books? I don't read books. If I ever need to know something I just Google it".

No, we don't need more testing to verify that kids aren't learning...not until we are ready to admit the root of the problem.
No matter how much we say we value education, all of our cultural references point to just the opposite.
Can we really blame the kid if he/she wants to be Ray Lewis or Kim Kardashian & not Thomas Edison or Marie Curie?

Maybe we aren't asking the right test question?
Time to revise the lesson plans.

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#1388022 - 02/20/13 09:36 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: Bogie]
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Well stated Bogie!

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#1388025 - 02/20/13 09:56 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: mariposa61]
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Bogie, you make excellent points and I agree with many of them. Another unidentifiedproblem (by State Ed.) is the home or lack there of. If the public education system is to be at all successful they need the support of parents and families. Many parents and families are excellent and want to give their children all of the opportunities in the world. But many aren't showing up. Too many American children come from homes where there isn't enough guidance, support, love and concern not to mention food, clothing, shelter and intelligent, good choices being made. Just because you "can" have children doesn't mean you "should." Many of our students are being born to very young mothers and fathers who haven't navigated the world yet themselves. How are they going to lead the way for their children? Truth is...most don't. They continue a very difficult cycle and public education is supposed to "cure" all of these social ailments. They can't. If a child comes to school at age 5 with very few social skills, life experiences, manners, life skills, etc. they are already WAY behind the child sitting next to him/her. Playing catch up is impossible. They fail and that makes it look like our education system and teachers are failing. They aren't. They are given an impossible task daily and the tests prove it. I'd like to see a report go home to parents each year with the words, "effective" or "ineffective" instead of the teachers and schools. Public ed. can only do what the home supports and enhances. It's a sad state of affairs and there's no test administered yet that gets to the true root/foundation: the home.

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#1388032 - 02/20/13 11:01 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: cabbie]
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Bogie and Cabbie took the words right out of my fingers and typed them for me.

I don't think we will ever hear the "powers that be" actually discuss the home front issues. Which is a shame. We send kids to school not knowing where they will be living at the end of the day. And the only meals they are getting in school. Among a myriad of other issues.

It's a crying shame that parents/kids and society doesn't care or want to know what needs to be done or how to fix the issues at hand.

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#1388040 - 02/20/13 11:36 AM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: myopinion2share]
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Coffeemamma, Bogie, mariposa, cabbie, and myopinion are my heroes of the day. Thank God there are still people out there who can see the forest for the the trees.
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#1388060 - 02/20/13 12:56 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: twocats]
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another fine example of how government run programs like education are hopelessly doomed due to the political process. why we want to keep handing control over everything to these constantly proven inept agencies is beyond me.

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#1388076 - 02/20/13 02:12 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: Hello_Governer]
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"It's a crying shame that parents/kids and society doesn't care or want to know what needs to be done or how to fix the issues at hand."


wages, pensions and benefits sit right at the top of those issues.

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#1388100 - 02/20/13 03:27 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: coffeemamma]
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Well I'm glad that this hasnt turned into one of those dumb debates over teachers'salaries (yet....).

I hope that if you read this and agree that you will take a moment to sign the petition. I'm grateful to this group for giving us a voice because, believe me, teachers and administrators are fed up and most are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Parents and community members are really going to have to step it up and ADVOCATE, ADVOCATE for their kids.
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#1388239 - 02/21/13 12:43 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: coffeemamma]
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I'm an old lady and in my opinion today's education has been so dumbed down over the years that it is shame. The average high school graduate has poor grammar and can't spell. History, really, who cares.It amazes me what the young people of today don't know and don't care to know. I wish I knew the answer to fix it but sadly I don't. We spend an amazing amount of money on education and we are failing miserably.
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#1388283 - 02/21/13 02:55 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: SilverFox]
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Home schooling by parents who actually care is one very excellent solution. But to be honest few are willing to make the financial and personal sacrifice...no wonder our kids don't really care...their parents don't care either.
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#1388293 - 02/21/13 03:18 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: Bogie]
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Registered: 11/06/08
Posts: 5958
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Originally Posted By: Bogie
Originally Posted By: I did it!
Testing only shows if they are learning. Most fail


Actually, Ben....I don't think she meant a blood alcohol test. But, that's another discussion.

What she means is that, in its never ending search for a reason why kids aren't learning, the pointy heads at State Ed. have decided its now because they weren't being tested enough.

They tried classrooms without walls, inclusion (everybody can learn AP Physics; right?), having all students get a Regent's diploma (wherein they gutted the curriculum & then graded the final exams on a curve), SMART boards, computers and iPads. And, when none of that seemed to work they decided that having teachers submit minutely detailed lesson plans every day & evaluating students every other day was the solution.

What they have failed to realize in all of this search for the magic jelly bean is that too many students don't learn because they don't see the need.
And, no amount of testing will reverse that. It isn't that the teachers aren't teaching (at least not in this region). It's that the students aren't studying.

So , State Ed. is in a frantic, and seemingly never ending search for a means by which kids will learn without having to expend any effort of their own. Osmosis, maybe? Putting an iPad under their pillow??
No, no....more testing, that's the ticket!

And, the latest tactic will be as doomed to failure as all the others. Because, the real problem is that too many kids view schooling as just an road block in their lives and not a means to greater success.
They want to be rock stars, or movie stars, or reality stars, or professional athletes. They want Andy Warhol's 15 minutes. And, school is just holding them back.

Quoting from a local Regents diploma, & recent OCC graduate, "You guys read books? I don't read books. If I ever need to know something I just Google it".

No, we don't need more testing to verify that kids aren't learning...not until we are ready to admit the root of the problem.
No matter how much we say we value education, all of our cultural references point to just the opposite.
Can we really blame the kid if he/she wants to be Ray Lewis or Kim Kardashian & not Thomas Edison or Marie Curie?

Maybe we aren't asking the right test question?
Time to revise the lesson plans.

\:\/




I don't think they are testing because they were not tested enough. I believe they are testing to find out what they are lacking, so that teachers can improve on what they are doing.

My daughter, a freshman in college, told me something interesting. She received a C on her first college prelim. Fit to be tied (she had never gotten much below an A in high school) she went to her Professor to discuss how she did. The Professor told her that she absolutely aced the subject material that he had taught them, what she lacked was the knowledge that she was expected to learn on her own. He said that was the problem with schools today, kids are just expected to regurgitate the material they are fed, they are no longer taught to learn.

Basically we are creating mind numbed robots, that cannot think for themselves.
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#1388312 - 02/21/13 03:57 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: HeavenlyPlaces]
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Originally Posted By: HeavenlyPlaces
Home schooling by parents who actually care is one very excellent solution. But to be honest few are willing to make the financial and personal sacrifice...no wonder our kids don't really care...their parents don't care either.


From what I've read, home schooling needn't be much of a financial burden, at least if one parent is not working outside the home to begin with, but it does take a lot of time.

I do think that hs is an excellent option, and that more parents should have confidence that they are capable of doing it; there are so many materials and resources available now.
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#1388342 - 02/21/13 07:58 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: Bogie]
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Sorry Bogie. Was thinking of old school days. LMBO


Originally Posted By: Bogie
Originally Posted By: I did it!
Testing only shows if they are learning. Most fail


Actually, Ben....I don't think she meant a blood alcohol test. But, that's another discussion.

What she means is that, in its never ending search for a reason why kids aren't learning, the pointy heads at State Ed. have decided its now because they weren't being tested enough.

They tried classrooms without walls, inclusion (everybody can learn AP Physics; right?), having all students get a Regent's diploma (wherein they gutted the curriculum & then graded the final exams on a curve), SMART boards, computers and iPads. And, when none of that seemed to work they decided that having teachers submit minutely detailed lesson plans every day & evaluating students every other day was the solution.

What they have failed to realize in all of this search for the magic jelly bean is that too many students don't learn because they don't see the need.
And, no amount of testing will reverse that. It isn't that the teachers aren't teaching (at least not in this region). It's that the students aren't studying.

So , State Ed. is in a frantic, and seemingly never ending search for a means by which kids will learn without having to expend any effort of their own. Osmosis, maybe? Putting an iPad under their pillow??
No, no....more testing, that's the ticket!

And, the latest tactic will be as doomed to failure as all the others. Because, the real problem is that too many kids view schooling as just an road block in their lives and not a means to greater success.
They want to be rock stars, or movie stars, or reality stars, or professional athletes. They want Andy Warhol's 15 minutes. And, school is just holding them back.

Quoting from a local Regents diploma, & recent OCC graduate, "You guys read books? I don't read books. If I ever need to know something I just Google it".

No, we don't need more testing to verify that kids aren't learning...not until we are ready to admit the root of the problem.
No matter how much we say we value education, all of our cultural references point to just the opposite.
Can we really blame the kid if he/she wants to be Ray Lewis or Kim Kardashian & not Thomas Edison or Marie Curie?

Maybe we aren't asking the right test question?
Time to revise the lesson plans.

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#1388548 - 02/23/13 12:21 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: cwjga]
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Registered: 08/25/00
Posts: 10885
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: Bogie
Originally Posted By: I did it!
Testing only shows if they are learning. Most fail


Actually, Ben....I don't think she meant a blood alcohol test. But, that's another discussion.

What she means is that, in its never ending search for a reason why kids aren't learning, the pointy heads at State Ed. have decided its now because they weren't being tested enough.

They tried classrooms without walls, inclusion (everybody can learn AP Physics; right?), having all students get a Regent's diploma (wherein they gutted the curriculum & then graded the final exams on a curve), SMART boards, computers and iPads. And, when none of that seemed to work they decided that having teachers submit minutely detailed lesson plans every day & evaluating students every other day was the solution.

What they have failed to realize in all of this search for the magic jelly bean is that too many students don't learn because they don't see the need.
And, no amount of testing will reverse that. It isn't that the teachers aren't teaching (at least not in this region). It's that the students aren't studying.

So , State Ed. is in a frantic, and seemingly never ending search for a means by which kids will learn without having to expend any effort of their own. Osmosis, maybe? Putting an iPad under their pillow??
No, no....more testing, that's the ticket!

And, the latest tactic will be as doomed to failure as all the others. Because, the real problem is that too many kids view schooling as just an road block in their lives and not a means to greater success.
They want to be rock stars, or movie stars, or reality stars, or professional athletes. They want Andy Warhol's 15 minutes. And, school is just holding them back.

Quoting from a local Regents diploma, & recent OCC graduate, "You guys read books? I don't read books. If I ever need to know something I just Google it".

No, we don't need more testing to verify that kids aren't learning...not until we are ready to admit the root of the problem.
No matter how much we say we value education, all of our cultural references point to just the opposite.
Can we really blame the kid if he/she wants to be Ray Lewis or Kim Kardashian & not Thomas Edison or Marie Curie?

Maybe we aren't asking the right test question?
Time to revise the lesson plans.

\:\/




I don't think they are testing because they were not tested enough. I believe they are testing to find out what they are lacking, so that teachers can improve on what they are doing.

My daughter, a freshman in college, told me something interesting. She received a C on her first college prelim. Fit to be tied (she had never gotten much below an A in high school) she went to her Professor to discuss how she did. The Professor told her that she absolutely aced the subject material that he had taught them, what she lacked was the knowledge that she was expected to learn on her own. He said that was the problem with schools today, kids are just expected to regurgitate the material they are fed, they are no longer taught to learn.

Basically we are creating mind numbed robots, that cannot think for themselves.

Sounds like a great professor, cwjga.
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#1388571 - 02/23/13 03:16 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: Bogie
Originally Posted By: I did it!
Testing only shows if they are learning. Most fail


Actually, Ben....I don't think she meant a blood alcohol test. But, that's another discussion.

What she means is that, in its never ending search for a reason why kids aren't learning, the pointy heads at State Ed. have decided its now because they weren't being tested enough.

They tried classrooms without walls, inclusion (everybody can learn AP Physics; right?), having all students get a Regent's diploma (wherein they gutted the curriculum & then graded the final exams on a curve), SMART boards, computers and iPads. And, when none of that seemed to work they decided that having teachers submit minutely detailed lesson plans every day & evaluating students every other day was the solution.

What they have failed to realize in all of this search for the magic jelly bean is that too many students don't learn because they don't see the need.
And, no amount of testing will reverse that. It isn't that the teachers aren't teaching (at least not in this region). It's that the students aren't studying.

So , State Ed. is in a frantic, and seemingly never ending search for a means by which kids will learn without having to expend any effort of their own. Osmosis, maybe? Putting an iPad under their pillow??
No, no....more testing, that's the ticket!

And, the latest tactic will be as doomed to failure as all the others. Because, the real problem is that too many kids view schooling as just an road block in their lives and not a means to greater success.
They want to be rock stars, or movie stars, or reality stars, or professional athletes. They want Andy Warhol's 15 minutes. And, school is just holding them back.

Quoting from a local Regents diploma, & recent OCC graduate, "You guys read books? I don't read books. If I ever need to know something I just Google it".

No, we don't need more testing to verify that kids aren't learning...not until we are ready to admit the root of the problem.
No matter how much we say we value education, all of our cultural references point to just the opposite.
Can we really blame the kid if he/she wants to be Ray Lewis or Kim Kardashian & not Thomas Edison or Marie Curie?

Maybe we aren't asking the right test question?
Time to revise the lesson plans.

\:\/




I don't think they are testing because they were not tested enough. I believe they are testing to find out what they are lacking, so that teachers can improve on what they are doing.

My daughter, a freshman in college, told me something interesting. She received a C on her first college prelim. Fit to be tied (she had never gotten much below an A in high school) she went to her Professor to discuss how she did. The Professor told her that she absolutely aced the subject material that he had taught them, what she lacked was the knowledge that she was expected to learn on her own. He said that was the problem with schools today, kids are just expected to regurgitate the material they are fed, they are no longer taught to learn.

Basically we are creating mind numbed robots, that cannot think for themselves.

Sounds like a great professor, cwjga.


She thinks so, his advice and help got her A's on the second prelim and the final. She says it helped her with all her other clases and she made deans list.
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#1392396 - 03/16/13 11:40 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: cwjga]
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Yeah! after putting some thought to this matter I agree better stop over testing,hell they just might learn something.
One will never know unless they are tested,correct?
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#1392646 - 03/18/13 03:19 PM Re: Stop Overtesting Our Kids, NYS...sign the petition [Re: I did it!]
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Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 621
Loc: NYS
Originally Posted By: I did it!
Yeah! after putting some thought to this matter I agree better stop over testing,hell they just might learn something.
One will never know unless they are tested,correct?


The problem with much of this testing is that it's not diagnostic; teachers cannot use the data efficiently to see where reteaching may need to occur, among other things. Students, like us, are best assessed with a wide variety of measures and not with a one-shot assessment. God bless State Ed.


Edited by Sketch (03/18/13 03:19 PM)
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