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#1384995 --- 01/28/13 11:57 AM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: Sallie]
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That explains why I haven't had to take a Viagra the past few weeks. Everthing is back to mold/micron levels since the el-ninno clearing it out a few years back.

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#1384998 --- 01/28/13 12:09 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: GoodFellow]
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Going off the original topic but is important, some reading material. Many Americans do not want to face Japan was a World Wide
disaster.
Study
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#1384999 --- 01/28/13 12:10 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: Sallie]
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Sallie, and the other posters, here this is one of the disclosures that I can now reveal. Please don't shoot the messenger, thanks.

In 1989 I spoke with a DEC inspector. The conversation was to remain private. The inspector feared for his job and other unpleasant things. He agreed to disclose the information he knew about at SM with the understanding I could not share this information with the public at that time.

This is what I asked him and his responses.

ME: Has the DEC tested SM for toxic substances and is it toxic?
DEC: Yes and Yes. The DEC knows about the toxic material and the test results.
ME: Why do they allow this violation to go unreported to the public for God's sake?
DEC: This is the unofficial response I have received when I asked a similar question, SM was toxic before we were to have it routinely tested by our department for toxicity. Heavy dumping of toxic material before the sale was to blame. A proper and complete clean-up was not available at that time. The state wanted to contain all toxic waste at one location. Because the SM site already was highly toxic, it was slated to be the containment site and to keep toxic waste out of all other NYS landfill sites in the future.

The DEC person then said "You may share this with one or two of your trusted friends working to correct the problems, but never tell others until I am long gone and dead. And never reveal a DEC employee shared this information with even your close friends now. There are only 4 of us that routinely test the SM site. My identity would be known quickly.
I greed.

Is this what Mr. "K" knew and cashed in on.? Was he the person to blame for the presale toxic waste dumping? Did he dump toxic waste so the state would select SM as the containment site? I wish I know the answers to these questions for sure! I think some people would like to share what they know and I hope they will. Greed, greed, greed, I am so sad even more now that I have learned of the illness suffered by your family and so many others.

Needless to say, this is the worst news to learn and the heaviest burden to carry in my heart all these years.

To my knowledge the DEC inspector would now be dead. He was near retirement in 1989.

PM (sorry for typo errors)


Edited by pocketmouse (01/28/13 02:01 PM)

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#1385005 --- 01/28/13 12:32 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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To answer VMSMITH's post re: the definition of LAKEHEAD...
this is the term used by youngsters getting their groove on while boating. Did I say that?

And to think that we often had road parties in the 80's at the entrance to Tantillo's Landfill. We were young and wild and free!
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#1385011 --- 01/28/13 12:41 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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Originally Posted By: pocketmouse
In 1989 I spoke with a DEC inspector. The conversation was to remain private. The inspector feared for is job and other unpleasant things. He agreed to disclose the information he knew about at SM with the understanding I could not share this information with the public at that time.
Great post. Thank you so much.

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#1385030 --- 01/28/13 02:03 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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This is no revelation.

Hardly any real importance.

It won't be hard to go back to 1989 and find out who the snitch was and reveal him.

Your statement: "SM was toxic before we were to have it routinely tested by our department for toxicity. " shows that it was well known of the ground waste some 25 years ago.

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#1385033 --- 01/28/13 02:07 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: Sallie]
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my family owned a cabin on demont rd in seneca falls. when we first started going there in summers a lot around 1980's we would have a ball swimming in the river. the water was crystal clear and the fun we had. i won't swim in in the river now and have not since about '95. that water is so polluted and disgusting.
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#1385036 --- 01/28/13 02:19 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: The REAL SF HERO]
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What is a fine idea, you are now assigned that task. Get his name and tell us all. As for the ground water, who knew? Did you? Hum. You are playing down this info for what purpose? I was taught the guilty speak first in a negative way. And here you are the first negative response. It looks like you maybe part of the problem and not the solution. Are you one of the Seneca County Supervisors by chance? Speak-up so Seneca voters may re-elect you, not


Edited by pocketmouse (01/28/13 06:49 PM)

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#1385037 --- 01/28/13 02:21 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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Seneca Maeadows is located where it is because downtown Seneca Falls was just not big enough.

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#1385038 --- 01/28/13 02:26 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: antnee]
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LOL, so true. Great comment. \:\)

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#1385048 --- 01/28/13 03:11 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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Most of what has been posted on this subject is old news and hardly a revelation.

Here is a lengthy excerpt from a petition to expand the landfill filed with the DEC State of New York by Seneca Meadows in 1999. Most of the concerns expressed in this thread are addressed within this ruling. Note specifically the information concerning the Tantalo land fill classified as a class 2 hazardous waste site.

The permits to expand were granted after this hearing.


http://www.dec.ny.gov/hearings/11809.html

This post is for informative purposes only and not to be considered in support of nor objecting to the landfill.


Edited by grinch (01/28/13 03:42 PM)

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#1385073 --- 01/28/13 04:12 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: grinch]
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CLOSE THAT LANDFILL NOW!!!! ENOUGH DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE! SCREW THE JOBS!

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#1385088 --- 01/28/13 04:43 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: sox fan]
The REAL SF HERO Offline
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Loc: Seneca Falls
Originally Posted By: sox fan
CLOSE THAT LANDFILL NOW!!!! ENOUGH DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE! SCREW THE JOBS!


EXPAND
EXPAND
EXPAND
NOW!!

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#1385097 --- 01/28/13 05:09 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: The REAL SF HERO]
Here's Johnny Offline
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Originally Posted By: The REAL SF HERO
Originally Posted By: sox fan
CLOSE THAT LANDFILL NOW!!!! ENOUGH DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE! SCREW THE JOBS!


EXPAND
EXPAND
EXPAND
NOW!!


You can say it and mean it but nothing substantive will change the current situation. The dump has all the permits it needs to keep expanding. Maybe it was a bad plan back in the day, but guess what, it doesn't matter now. The die was cast and the system is up an running, and thriving btw. I take my trash to the dump and it's great, sometimes you can sneak through without paying a buck a bag, uh oh. One time I was there and there must have been 100 plus trash trucks waiting to dump. Do the math: how much per truck? Maybe it has helped keep Seneca County from being any more worse off than it would otherwise be, now, in these trying times. Maybe it illustrates how choices made and compromises agreed to can be short sighted when viewed over the long run.

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#1385100 --- 01/28/13 05:36 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: grinch]
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I hope the people of Seneca County DO READ your link, it supports my post totally. If you read it and understand it, it "does not say" those that opposed the expansion where wrong and that the site was totally safe. Nor will it not have toxic materiakls dumped there in the furture. It says the opponents did not have scientific or technical documents "the judge could review" to challenge SM's permit request. I will be quoting from this document on a regular bases. The only thing this document shows is the opponents were not financially able to hire the experts they needed, period.

Keep posting my friend and supporting my points perfectly.

Greed is the name of the game and just follow the money to get to the bottom of things.

PM



Edited by pocketmouse (01/28/13 05:39 PM)

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#1385102 --- 01/28/13 05:40 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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Just like where fracking is going to take us.

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#1385106 --- 01/28/13 05:58 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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You truly scare me. You just supported what my next disclosure will be, unsupervised dumping of anything, by anyone, at anytime. You stated, "btw. I take my trash to the dump and it's great, sometimes you can sneak through without paying a buck a bag", I am sorry, but I have to say this...Spoken like a true idiot". You think its great to dump for free and not have to have show or declare what you are dumping.

Great. Did you dump lead paint cans with paint in them? Pay attention, there is an old saying. "Penny wise but pound foolish". Think about that expression for awhile. We of the Finger lakes thank you for the lack of caring for "our health". Gee do you think other unsupervised dumping goes on there? That's a no brainier.

PM


Edited by pocketmouse (01/28/13 06:54 PM)

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#1385113 --- 01/28/13 06:16 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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Registered: 08/28/01
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Loc: New York State
Originally Posted By: pocketmouse
I hope the people of Seneca County DO READ your link, it supports my post totally. If you read it and understand it, it "does not say" those that opposed the expansion where wrong and that the site was totally safe. Nor will it not have toxic materiakls dumped there in the furture. It says the opponents did not have scientific or technical documents "the judge could review" to challenge SM's permit request. I will be quoting from this document on a regular bases. The only thing this document shows is the opponents were not financially able to hire the experts they needed, period.

Keep posting my friend and supporting my points perfectly.

Greed is the name of the game and just follow the money to get to the bottom of things.

PM



I did not post that information to support your opinions or anyone else. I do agree it is a good read and presents the facts, not conjecture or rumors.

It was posted to show the progression of events that preceded the current landfill dating back to the 1950's and to clarify why it was located where it is.


You have drawn your own conclusions as to why the permits were granted. In my opinion your conclusions are not supported by the actual transcript of the hearing.

Yes do read it thoroughly and try to really understand it.

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#1385115 --- 01/28/13 06:29 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: pocketmouse]
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Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: pocketmouse
You truly scare me. You just supported what my next disclosure will be, unsupervised dumping of anything, by anyone, at anytime. You stated, "btw. I take my trash to the dump and it's great, sometimes you can sneak through without paying a buck a bag", I am sorry, but I have to say this...Spoken like a true idiot". You think its great to dump for free and not have to have show or declare what you are dumping.

Great. Did you dump lead paint cans with paint in them? Pay attention, there is an old saying. "Penny wise but pound foolish". Thank about that expression for awhile. We of the Finger lakes thank you for the lack of caring for "our health". Gee do you think other unsupervised dumping goes on there? That's a no brainier.

PM


I hadn't even considered that I could take paint cans there too! Thanks for the hot tip.

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#1385116 --- 01/28/13 06:32 PM Re: Trivia:Why is Seneca Meadows located where it is ? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Put some ni-cad batteries in the cans, they will never find them

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