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#1380238 --- 01/01/13 05:44 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
However much Timbo may or may not have 'compensated the 'tribes' it's a drop a bucket of the reparations due imo.


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Indianz.Com. In Print.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2012/007365.asp

Anthropologist says Kennewick Man was not Native American
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2012
Filed Under: Education | Environment | National
More on: kennewick man, nagpra

An anthropologist from the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History told tribal leaders that Kennewick Man, whose remains date back 9,500 years, was not Native American, The Seattle Times reports.

Doug Owsley said his research shows that Kennewick Man was similar to Asian Coastal people. "There is not any clear genetic relationship to Native American peoples," he told tribal leaders at a meeting yesterday, the Times reported.

Owsley also said Kennewick Man's diet was not similar to that of tribes currently in Northwest. "This is a man from the coast, not a man from here," he told tribes.

Kennewick Man was discovered on federal land in Washington that used to be a part of the Umatilla Reservation. Tribes sought to rebury him under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act but the courts ruled that the remains were too old to be covered by the law.

Tribal leaders are still hopeful that they will be able to rebury Kennewick Man, known as Techaminsh Oytpamanatityt, or Ancient One, in the Yakama language.



seems the 'tribes' are the ones that 'owe' reparations


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#1380239 --- 01/01/13 05:49 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
unable to confront your own contradictions?




Nope. It's just that I'm biased... ;\)




are those traditional 'clothes' and 'tools'?

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#1380344 --- 01/02/13 03:17 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


and explain why you did those actions?



English isn't your first language, is it?


tell us how much you have compensated the 'tribes' out of your wallet?



Local tribes? Not as much as some, more than others. I have donated MANY hours helping the Ganondagan promote events and bring attention to multiple tribal gatherings.

When I lived in Arizona, I volunteered labor to the Pimas in support of new housing and other charities.

M'kay?

FYI: I get around to replying to posts at MY leisure, not YOURS.

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#1380379 --- 01/02/13 01:57 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?

tell us how much you have compensated the 'tribes' out of your wallet?



Local tribes? Not as much as some, more than others. I have donated MANY hours helping the Ganondagan promote events and bring attention to multiple tribal gatherings.


you need to open your wallet and compensated ALL 'tribes' as to your comments above - 'You mean helped as...'

failure of you to compensate ALL 'tribes' means you have 'blood on your hands'
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#1380381 --- 01/02/13 02:00 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


I have donated MANY hours helping the Ganondagan promote events and bring attention to multiple tribal gatherings.

When I lived in Arizona, I volunteered labor to the Pimas in support of new housing and other charities.


a drop in the bucket
open up your wallet...

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#1380383 --- 01/02/13 02:09 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!


Originally Posted By: Timbo

I neither agree nor disagree with what I can neither confirm nor deny.


did you witness those actions in person?

if not then you can not confirm them




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#1380384 --- 01/02/13 02:17 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
a hemispheric population estimated to have been as great as 125 million


are you suggesting that there were about 125 million 'tribal' members worldwide at that time?
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#1380405 --- 01/02/13 05:59 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


I have donated MANY hours helping the Ganondagan promote events and bring attention to multiple tribal gatherings.

When I lived in Arizona, I volunteered labor to the Pimas in support of new housing and other charities.


a drop in the bucket
open up your wallet...



At normal hourly rate, my donated time and material would easily have amounted to thousands of dollars, had the Ganondagan been required to pay for my services.

What sir, have YOU done lately... for ANYONE other than yourself? Put up, os shut up.
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#1380406 --- 01/02/13 06:01 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!


Originally Posted By: Timbo

I neither agree nor disagree with what I can neither confirm nor deny.


did you witness those actions in person?

if not then you can not confirm them









You sir, are an !d!ot!

By creatively linking my unrelated replies, you're revealing yourself to be a manipulator of facts and a bold-faced Liar.

Grow up.



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#1380409 --- 01/02/13 06:11 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!


Originally Posted By: Timbo

I neither agree nor disagree with what I can neither confirm nor deny.


did you witness those actions in person?

if not then you can not confirm them






We're just waiting for you to begin denying the Holocaust, the Great Purges and the Battle of Normandy. The list goes on, doesn't it?

T00L.

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#1380556 --- 01/03/13 02:02 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?

At normal hourly rate, my donated time and material would easily have amounted to thousands of dollars


nice try but you are a few million dollars short
hope you sleep well at night...



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#1380557 --- 01/03/13 02:06 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!

Originally Posted By: Timbo

I neither agree nor disagree with what I can neither confirm nor deny.

did you witness those actions in person?

if not then you can not confirm them


You sir, are an !d!ot!

By creatively linking my unrelated replies, you're revealing yourself to be a manipulator of facts and a bold-faced Liar.

Grow up.


unable to confront your own contradictions?
consider you 'donated' a few thousand dollars of your time reveals that you do not feel those actions that you posted 'You mean helped as in...' did occur

nice spin on your part
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#1380560 --- 01/03/13 02:17 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan


"We cannot simply think of our survival; each new generation is responsible to ensure the survival of the seventh generation. The prophecy given to us, tells us that what we do today will affect the seventh generation and because of this we must bear in mind our responsibility to them today and always."

- Haudenosaunee "People of the Longhouse"



Originally Posted By: Teonan


Campaign for America's Future
by Robert Borosage

January 2, 2013

On New Year's Day, the Senate and House passed a "fiscal cliff" deal by respective votes of 89-8 and 257-167. The deal has some good parts. It lets the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthy, raises the estate tax marginally and increases taxes on capital gains and dividends a bit. Unemployment benefits are extended for a year. Tax boosts for the low paid workers – the child tax credit, expanded earned income credit, refundable tuition tax credits – are extended, if only for five years. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are not touched.



you play both sides of the fence?
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#1380602 --- 01/03/13 05:30 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!

Originally Posted By: Timbo

I neither agree nor disagree with what I can neither confirm nor deny.

did you witness those actions in person?

if not then you can not confirm them


You sir, are an !d!ot!

By creatively linking my unrelated replies, you're revealing yourself to be a manipulator of facts and a bold-faced Liar.

Grow up.


unable to confront your own contradictions?
consider you 'donated' a few thousand dollars of your time reveals that you do not feel those actions that you posted 'You mean helped as in...' did occur

nice spin on your part



No, no, no. You don't get off THAT easy.

Please explain to to me, EXACTLY what you think I contradicted. Either you misread what I said, or you're denying events that indeed DID happen. Step up to the plate son.


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#1380603 --- 01/03/13 05:34 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?

At normal hourly rate, my donated time and material would easily have amounted to thousands of dollars


nice try but you are a few million dollars short
hope you sleep well at night...


Are you saying that I'm SOLEY responsible for the atrocities committed upon Native Americans? Besides, I'd say a number in at least the billions, to be a far more accurate figure to BEGIN to compensate the aboriginals of North America.

I think it's time you put down the crack pipe and pick up the peace pipe.


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#1380605 --- 01/03/13 05:41 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone

you play both sides of the fence?


Would you mind explaining the underlying logic of that statement?
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#1380609 --- 01/03/13 05:55 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan


"We cannot simply think of our survival; each new generation is responsible to ensure the survival of the seventh generation. The prophecy given to us, tells us that what we do today will affect the seventh generation and because of this we must bear in mind our responsibility to them today and always."

- Haudenosaunee "People of the Longhouse"



Originally Posted By: Teonan


Campaign for America's Future
by Robert Borosage

January 2, 2013

On New Year's Day, the Senate and House passed a "fiscal cliff" deal by respective votes of 89-8 and 257-167. The deal has some good parts. It lets the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthy, raises the estate tax marginally and increases taxes on capital gains and dividends a bit. Unemployment benefits are extended for a year. Tax boosts for the low paid workers – the child tax credit, expanded earned income credit, refundable tuition tax credits – are extended, if only for five years. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are not touched.



you play both sides of the fence?




Hardly. Simply sharing ancient wisdom with feet on terra firma.

The fence lies behind your eyes settler.
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#1380653 --- 01/03/13 07:56 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!

Originally Posted By: Timbo

I neither agree nor disagree with what I can neither confirm nor deny.

you're revealing yourself to be a manipulator of facts and a bold-faced Liar.


Originally Posted By: Timbo

EXACTLY what you think I contradicted. Either you misread what I said, or you're denying events that indeed DID happen.


were you there to witness those 'acts'?

if not then how can you claim they happened


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#1380656 --- 01/03/13 08:00 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?

At normal hourly rate, my donated time and material would easily have amounted to thousands of dollars


nice try but you are a few million dollars short
hope you sleep well at night...


Are you saying that I'm SOLEY responsible for the atrocities committed upon Native Americans?


do you not live UPON 'their' land?

you have 200 years of you and your prior relatives to pay 'compensation' for

open up your wallet...
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#1380660 --- 01/03/13 08:02 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Besides, I'd say a number in at least the billions, to be a far more accurate figure to BEGIN to compensate the aboriginals of North America.


when do you plan on 'giving' their land back?
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