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#1380164 - 12/31/12 08:42 PM 8K raise for Police Chief
Town Resident Offline
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Registered: 04/22/10
Posts: 189
Loc: Seneca Falls
Are you kidding me.... Why wasn't this included in the Town Budget that was voted on rather than on a Friday night private meeting. A new investigator position, a huge raise for the Chief, yep, its starting...hold on taxpayers. The Town Board is just like the old Village Board, secret, spending, secret spending..Unbelievable!!!! Everyone else is getting no raises, but the PD budget is going up little by little. Thanks Town Board... What's next?

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#1380175 - 12/31/12 10:13 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: Town Resident]
VM Smith Offline
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Registered: 11/29/05
Posts: 37997
Loc: Ship of Fools
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its starting...hold on taxpayers. The Town Board is just like the old Village Board,


It's not starting..it never ends. You got it right in the 2nd part.

People keep electing overseers and saviors, and wondering why nothing ever really changes. The core problem is the existence of government...it's always stupid, always wasteful, and always corrupt and harmful.

It is what it is, and as long as it is, nothing important will change.

Here's a great song, but I think 99% of the people don't quite listen hard enough to the last two lines, which are the most important. So, 99% get fooled over and over and over and over, and never do figure it out.:


We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that's all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?


There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
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#1380178 - 12/31/12 10:47 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: VM Smith]
Dr. Sarcassm Esq Offline
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Registered: 03/03/12
Posts: 718
Loc: Seneca Falls
Don Earle and his hench campaign team ran on "Transparancy"

I guess that means middle of the day secret unannounced meetings to carry out unkept campaign promises.
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#1380377 - 01/02/13 08:52 AM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: Dr. Sarcassm Esq]
outwithsfpd Offline
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Registered: 01/03/12
Posts: 131
Loc: Seneca Falls, NY
WHAT! This is an outrage. That is way too much money. Economic crisis? The police department is growing to ridiculous staffing and pay right in front of us. Don Earle, you should be ashamed of yourself. Emil is full of empty campaign plans too. We need to do something. It is just like the village all over again.

8,000? THAT IS A HUGE RAISE! THE BUDGET IS OUT OF CONTROL AND EVERYONE IS TOO AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING. THE LITTLE BOYS CLUB IS IN FULL SWING.

SMELLS OF DIRTY POLITICS

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#1380404 - 01/02/13 01:53 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: outwithsfpd]
Mr. Baiter Offline
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Registered: 09/16/11
Posts: 164
Loc: TOWN of Seneca Falls
The board is a joke. Don Earle is a disgrace.
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#1380411 - 01/02/13 02:17 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: Dr. Sarcassm Esq]
centurion Offline
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Registered: 08/23/03
Posts: 3541
Loc: lodi express track
With all the Mount Trashmore kickback funds it should of been $16,000.00

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#1380415 - 01/02/13 02:36 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: centurion]
seneca dad22 Offline
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Registered: 02/10/12
Posts: 677
Loc: NY
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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#1380417 - 01/02/13 02:55 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: seneca dad22]
sox fan Offline
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Registered: 09/03/12
Posts: 148
Loc: ny, usa
Not a bad gig for a guy that dosen't even live in the county. It should help pay for his gas though.

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#1380419 - 01/02/13 03:05 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: sox fan]
seneca dad22 Offline
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Registered: 02/10/12
Posts: 677
Loc: NY
He went from Sargent to Chief. Two different job titles, 2 different salaries. Big whoop.

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#1380423 - 01/02/13 03:10 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: seneca dad22]
Mr. Baiter Offline
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Registered: 09/16/11
Posts: 164
Loc: TOWN of Seneca Falls
It is a dirty political game thanks to our dirty politicians
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#1380425 - 01/02/13 03:21 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: Mr. Baiter]
seneca dad22 Offline
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Registered: 02/10/12
Posts: 677
Loc: NY
It's in black and white.

Why don't you step up to the plate and run for office?

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#1380452 - 01/02/13 05:46 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: seneca dad22]
sox fan Offline
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Registered: 09/03/12
Posts: 148
Loc: ny, usa
Well sure, if that's the case, he now has more responsibility, therefore, he deserves a raise.

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#1380468 - 01/02/13 07:18 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: sox fan]
Mr. Baiter Offline
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Registered: 09/16/11
Posts: 164
Loc: TOWN of Seneca Falls
He has been chief for over a year and his responsibilities are the same. I just think it is absurd for this raise to not be included in the budget. Seems fishy and it seems like a large sum for one year. Will he receive 8,000 every year? Very sensible question.
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#1380470 - 01/02/13 08:06 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: sox fan]
Town Resident Offline
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Registered: 04/22/10
Posts: 189
Loc: Seneca Falls
He took the job knowing what the salary was, after one year he gets an $8k raise. I didnt get a raise this year, and I know alot of others who have not gotten a raise in years. If it was all above board, why didnt the town Board put it in the budget so the public could comment on it rather than passing it in secret at a special meeting. The Town PD budget is over 1.5 million and growing, look it up, it is right there on line, but you have to search all of the budget lines to find the true budget for the PD. A new investigator and a huge raise for the PD Chief on the backs of taxpayer.

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#1380546 - 01/03/13 09:26 AM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: Town Resident]
mR. TaToR Offline
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Registered: 09/20/12
Posts: 101
Loc: yoda
Good to see the two brothers are back on here crying about the PD. I live in the town and have called the PD for their service, they were fast to respond and very professional. I have took the time to go through the budget and do my homework before coming on here and crying about the PD and the town board. Take the time to look at other town police department budgets. Better yet take the time to look at the sheriffs budget, thats something to cry about. And if you really take the time look at what the former chief was making. Somewhere around $84000 plus.
I think this town board has done a great job minis TJ.

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#1380623 - 01/03/13 02:29 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: mR. TaToR]
ExVillager Offline
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Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 102
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: mR. TaToR
Good to see the two brothers are back on here crying about the PD.
LOL \:\)
How much does the Fire Department cost us? ;\)

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#1380628 - 01/03/13 02:34 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: ExVillager]
seneca dad22 Offline
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Registered: 02/10/12
Posts: 677
Loc: NY
These services will NEVER go AWAY. Just like the landfill. Not going anywhere.

Indians will not ever pay taxes either.

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#1380635 - 01/03/13 02:59 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: seneca dad22]
Sketch Offline
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Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 616
Loc: NYS
What is comparable pay in other communities of similar size and need? When was the last time a raise was instituted for that position? 8K may not be that much.
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#1380637 - 01/03/13 03:12 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: mR. TaToR]
VM Smith Offline
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Registered: 11/29/05
Posts: 37997
Loc: Ship of Fools
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And if you really take the time look at what the former chief was making. Somewhere around $84000 plus.


That's disingenuous, because you know that many were protesting that salary, also.

And it's not enough to say that this chief, or that chief, or that school teacher or county attorney, deserves more, simply because these other ones, over there, get that.

That's just a self-serving way to continually ratchet up public sector pay.

The real issue is whether the total remuneration package of government workers, on average, considering all levels, will continue to be double what the average private sector worker receives.

Are they truly public servants? Do they truly represent us? Are they among us, or are they a priviledged leadership class, booted and spurred, even if not born that way, and riding the rest of us, for all we're worth?

I don't know Peenstra, but I'm presuming he's a great guy, and very likable, if only because my view of human nature says that appointees first have to be liked by those appointing them, or they don't get appointed.

Even though I don't live in SF, it's my issue, too, because I'm an American. The present state of affairs is unsustainable, simply because it's so unfair and divisive.

This general state of affairs will have to be resolved, one way or the other, if this country is to move forward.

If I were Peenstra, would I want a raise? Sure...we all would.

Would I give it back? Of course not.

He's like all of us; if he's mentally healthy, he has a solid sense of self-worth, and he can always reasonably point to some other chiefs, and say, "Why not me, too? What am I...chopped liver?".

He didn't cause this nationwide problem, and it didn't start with this particular raise.

But, if it's ever to be dealt with, the real problem, the larger issue, first has to be identified and faced, and that's my intent here.
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#1380714 - 01/03/13 06:50 PM Re: 8K raise for Police Chief [Re: VM Smith]
mR. TaToR Offline
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Registered: 09/20/12
Posts: 101
Loc: yoda
Well said vm smith, I tend to disagree with you on some issues. The people of this town should be thankful for the emergency services they get. Police,fire and ambulance. I have lived in other towns and cities where you will wait along time for someone to respond. Be thankful for what you have, you never know when you are going to need them.

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