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#1378919 --- 12/22/12 01:27 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan


"We cannot simply think of our survival; each new generation is responsible to ensure the survival of the seventh generation. The prophecy given to us, tells us that what we do today will affect the seventh generation and because of this we must bear in mind our responsibility to them today and always."

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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: twocats
Originally Posted By: Teonan

Time to revamp that "nonprofit" category maybe? Wow.


Ya think? How in the world can the NFL be tax-exempt?

Well paid lobbyists, I guess. Pathetic.



In 2010, Andrew Delaney, a Vermont Law School student, put together a fascinating paper examining the tax status of the NFL and found that the NFL was working like a "glorified tax shelter." Delaney explains:

"Through for-profit companies, the NFL sells licenses to use NFL intellectual property, broadcast games, etc, making a ton of money. That money is then distributed to the individual teams. The individual teams, in turn, pay their "dues and assessments" to the NFL. I don't intend to mislead -- some taxes certainly get paid here. The teams are considered for-profit and pay regular taxes. The teams' tax liability is significantly reduced, however, when they pay their tax-deductible "dues and assessments." How much and what gets taxed is just not publicly available. And it should be if the NFL is going to enjoy tax-exempt status."

Delaney ultimately concludes that "if the NFL isn't violating the letter of nonprofit status, it's certainly violating the spirit."

The important thing here is that we the people granted the NFL this tax exemption, even if it was decades ago (Just as we granted the leagues the anti-trust exemption for negotiating television broadcast contracts.). As a result, we can revoke that exemption if the league blacks out its fans, forces fans to pay for personal seat licenses, extorts public money from municipalities by threatening to move teams, etc. The NFL may technically be a non-profit, but it sure as hell isn't acting in the public interest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-frederick/nfl-tax-exempt_b_1321635.html



time to eliminate the 600 'tribes' tax free status

T - insert foot in mouth...


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#1378922 --- 12/22/12 01:32 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Simmer down bz. AIN'T happening.
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#1378940 --- 12/22/12 02:22 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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John Stossel: Freeloading doesn't help the freeloader Indians
Wednesday, March 30, 2011


"No group has been more "helped" by the American government than American Indians. Yet no group in America does worse.

Almost a quarter of Native Americans live in poverty. 66 percent are born to single mothers. They have short life spans. Indian activists say the solution is -surprise- more money from the government. But Washington already spends about $13 billion on programs for Indians every year.

There are special programs in 20 different Departments and Agencies: Empowering Tribal Nations Initiative, Advancing Nation to Nation Relationships, Protecting Indian Country, Improving Trust Land Management, New Energy Frontier Initiative, Climate Change Adaptation Initiative, Construction, Improving Trust Management, Tribal Priority Allocations, Resolving Land and Water Claims, Indian Land Consolidation Program. This is just a partial list.

I say government already does too much. Indians would be better off without government handouts. I have evidence: tribes not recognized by the federal government, tribes that get no special help, often do better
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#1378941 --- 12/22/12 02:23 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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unable to confront your own contradictions?
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#1378946 --- 12/22/12 02:35 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
unable to confront your own contradictions?




Nope. It's just that I'm biased... ;\)

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#1378952 --- 12/22/12 03:15 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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how did siding with the british work out for ya?
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#1378955 --- 12/22/12 03:24 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
good that you voted for obama...



Are you schwaggin'??
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#1378957 --- 12/22/12 03:27 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
how did siding with the british work out for ya?


Yep. You are.
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#1378958 --- 12/22/12 03:28 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Indianz.Com. In Print.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2012/007365.asp

Anthropologist says Kennewick Man was not Native American
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2012
Filed Under: Education | Environment | National
More on: kennewick man, nagpra

An anthropologist from the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History told tribal leaders that Kennewick Man, whose remains date back 9,500 years, was not Native American, The Seattle Times reports.

Doug Owsley said his research shows that Kennewick Man was similar to Asian Coastal people. "There is not any clear genetic relationship to Native American peoples," he told tribal leaders at a meeting yesterday, the Times reported.

Owsley also said Kennewick Man's diet was not similar to that of tribes currently in Northwest. "This is a man from the coast, not a man from here," he told tribes.

Kennewick Man was discovered on federal land in Washington that used to be a part of the Umatilla Reservation. Tribes sought to rebury him under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act but the courts ruled that the remains were too old to be covered by the law.

Tribal leaders are still hopeful that they will be able to rebury Kennewick Man, known as Techaminsh Oytpamanatityt, or Ancient One, in the Yakama language.


give the land back to the cowboy...
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#1378960 --- 12/22/12 03:41 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
unable to confront your own contradictions?


Nope. It's just that I'm biased... ;\)



Originally Posted By: Teonan

"You see men sailing on their ego trip, blast off on their spaceship, million miles from reality


out of touch?


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#1378992 --- 12/22/12 06:10 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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"No group has been more "helped" by the American government than American Indians. Yet no group in America does worse. -John Stossel

You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered? Did I forget anything? No doubt I did!

John Stossel's an idiot!

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#1379746 --- 12/29/12 01:19 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


and explain why you did those actions?
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#1379817 --- 12/29/12 08:30 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


and explain why you did those actions?



English isn't your first language, is it?
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#1379830 --- 12/29/12 10:20 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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are you familiar with the phrase 'blood on your hands'?
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#1379848 --- 12/29/12 11:44 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo


John Stossel's an idiot!


I'm glad someone else sees that.
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#1380139 --- 12/31/12 10:11 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


and explain why you did those actions?



English isn't your first language, is it?


tell us how much you have compensated the 'tribes' out of your wallet?
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#1380151 --- 12/31/12 11:32 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You mean helped as in exterminated, massacred, raped, beaten, murdered mutilated, reeducated, amputated, scalped, interred, infected, branded, whipped, relocated, lied to and plundered?


and explain why you did those actions?



English isn't your first language, is it?


tell us how much you have compensated the 'tribes' out of your wallet?




However much Timbo may or may not have 'compensated the 'tribes' it's a drop a bucket of the reparations due imo.


In his book "A Little Matter of Genocide," (City Lights Books, 1997) Ward Churchill wrote:

"During the four centuries spanning the time between 1492, when Christopher Columbus first set foot on the "New World" of a Caribbean beach, and 1892, when the U.S. Census Bureau concluded that there were fewer than a quarter million indigenous people surviving within the country’s claimed boundaries, a hemispheric population estimated to have been as great as 125 million was reduced by something over 90 percent. The people had died in their millions of being hacked apart with axes and swords, burned alive and trampled under horses, hunted as game and fed to dogs, shot, beaten, stabbed, scalped for bounty, hanged on meat hooks and thrown over the sides of ships at sea, worked to death as slave laborers, intentionally starved and frozen to death during a multitude of forced marches and internments, and, in an unknown number of instances, deliberately infected with epidemic diseases."
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#1380235 --- 01/01/13 05:35 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
However much Timbo may or may not have 'compensated the 'tribes' it's a drop a bucket of the reparations due imo.


seems timbo has not 'compensated' the 'tribes' any or timbo would have said so

teonan - how much have you compensated the 'tribes'?
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#1380236 --- 01/01/13 05:37 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
However much Timbo may or may not have 'compensated the 'tribes' it's a drop a bucket of the reparations due imo.


have you sent the queen a letter yet?
must have been a wrong choice to side with them...
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#1380237 --- 01/01/13 05:39 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
are you familiar with the phrase 'blood on your hands'?


timbo - do you understand the phrase?
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