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#1376303 - 12/07/12 12:14 PM
Re: http://seethroughny.net/
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cheesehead
Junior Member
Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 14
Loc: PY, Yates County, NY
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I looked at payroll, 2012, counties, yates. The are a lot of familiar county employees listed. I an exited to try to figure out what th budget has for a salary and what they actually make...for the hourly employees. It seems many work many hours above and beyond. I wonder if they work because they want to help or because they need the money. I am not sure how this information is gathered, but it seems pretty extensive.
I looked at payrolls, 2012, villages, penn yan. Enlightening. They are some hard working folks there too.
I am going to look at pensions too. Amazing.
Mean Gene, you seem to be a well respected authority on local government issues. Have you seen this stuff? Any thoughts? I never new this was here for everyone to look at. This is some great information.
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#1376341 - 12/07/12 04:02 PM
Re: http://seethroughny.net/
[Re: cheesehead]
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py.eternal.cynic
Member
Registered: 12/05/12
Posts: 97
Loc: inside looking out
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Very well thought out questions and replies. What has changed in The last 35 years? Much easier to ask what has not changed. Is a 35 year old car the same as a new car....how about computers..guns..phones..what about the courthouse..get more troopers to replace deputies. Anyone look at the salaries to compare. I believe I used to see a pypd unmarked car parked in Indian pines a lot..solving crimes for the county? Why leave a progressive improving department to work for another for so long? Dale is a good man whose men would follow him.
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#1376345 - 12/07/12 04:16 PM
Re: http://seethroughny.net/
[Re: cheesehead]
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Mean Gene
Senior Member
Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1904
Loc: Yates County
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So the chain of command expansion by one is your big issue? How much money does take home cars cost versus yard cars? Do you have any insight on that? Would you have a take home car if you were in charge? Has staffing increased that much? Where has that increased in your experience? On the road patrol? In dispatch? Technology has changed. When you first started in your career pagers were not even around, or answering machines for that matter. Things change, times change there is cost involved in updating these systems. There is more training involved in these systems. It is more than just picking up a telephone. I think there is more liability involved nowadays too. Training cost money. Where has the village been able to save money? Your tax dollars are not to the village, so there is no insight into that system from you? I respect your opinions. I pay taxes to the county, the town and to the village. Percentage aside, how much is it really a year increase for you or me? A hundred bucks? I am willing to pay it. I do not call much, but when i do i want want someone to answer the phone and i want help to come.
If I was in charge I would and did have a take home car. I believe the Sheriff and the supervisor of CID/Road patrol and the Investigators should have take home cars. They have 24/7/365 road patrol, they don't need all the deputies to drive a car back and forth to their home's. I also don't think the Lt. of the jail, the undersheriff and the Chief Deputy need take home cars. If they need any other extra help they can call them in and they can hop in a yard car. Geographically the County has not expanded in 30 years nor has the population increased that much.
You talk about the changing tech world. The YCSO could cut down on a large amount of incoming calls. Instead of dispatch answering every non-emergency call they could have their non emergency number go to an automated answering system simliar to the following: You have reached the Yates County Sheriff's Dept. If this is an emergency hang up and dial 911. If not and you know your parties extension you can dial it now. If not, dial 1 for administration, 2 for CID, 3 for records, 4 for the jail etc etc. A lot of the larger SO's have been doing this for years.
Staffing has increased alot over the years. Ask the Sheriff to see his YCSO picture of the department when he and Jan Scofield were Investigators. I believe there is one deputy missing from the picture. Compare it to now. (circa 1977)
It absolutley costs more to have 25 take home cars as opposed to about 10 yard cars. You have to equip each car, insure the extra cars. Of course usually there is updated equipment purchased to outfit the new cars. (new light bars, radios, cages) extra miles put on by Deputies driving them back and forth every day.
Yes I do pay tax dollars to the Village and County. I own several parcels in the Village.
I only retired three years ago, The PD managed to stay current with technology. There were portable radios in the office for the ON DUTY officers to take out on patrol. Also a few cell phones for the ON DUTY officers to use. I believe the YCSO had provided a cell phone for each deputy, along with a portable radio for each one and of course a radio in each car. Just an example of excessive spending.
I already talked about the YCSO changing from grey to navy blue uniforms for the deputies, then doing it for corrections. Another spending excess. How when they last upgraded their hand guns they were able to trade in five or six brand new, never taken out of the box semi-auto pistols. Must be they had a little extra money when they bought them to have those left over many years after they were purchased.
The Undersheriff used to be a "working Undersheriff" who was out on the road, they have added additional sergeant positions over the years besides adding the Chief Deputy position back in after removing in in lieu of a LT. position.
The Village has saved money by not increasing staffing. When I started there was a Sgt. & one officer on each shift with one or two extra to cover evening hours, especially weekends. If someone called in sick we often worked one short. Their staffing has not increased, Personnel is where the major savings can be found.
I have rehashed all this stuff before, It appears you are a supporter of the statu quo. It is what it is. I can quote the Chairman of the Legislature in the past when I suggested that they could save some dollars. "We treat the Sheriff different from other department heads because he is an elected official".
Or this quote: "We don't want to do that, Ron will get mad"!
Edited by Mean Gene (12/07/12 04:23 PM)
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#1376348 - 12/07/12 04:34 PM
Re: http://seethroughny.net/
[Re: Mean Gene]
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sarge1m19
Junior Member
Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 8
Loc: yates county ny
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Pros and coins aside I would feel terrible if I had to drive by an accident on my way to work or was unable to respond to an emergency immediately because I was not equipped or prepared to handle or help out. Only people who will suffer are the ones that need us. I hope for all our sakes that it would never happen but if it does we know who to blame. We are paying for the sins of the past such as poor planning over the past 20 years, poor presidential choices and tragedies that could not be predicted. I agree with gene. It is what it is. How we deal with it is up to us.
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#1376500 - 12/08/12 05:35 PM
Re: http://seethroughny.net/
[Re: Mean Gene]
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py.eternal.cynic
Member
Registered: 12/05/12
Posts: 97
Loc: inside looking out
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And there it is. Better pay better retirement. Termination due to budget cuts. How did it feel back then when it happened to you. And now you advocate doing it to someone. There must be some things that can be trimmed other than cops on the road. A boat or two? Why is it that when I call the PD about a barking dog on lake st it is the sheriffs department that answers? My friend in Dundee stopped to report an incident near his house, stopped at troopers office picked up phone as no one was there and got the sheriffs office.
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