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#1375994 --- 12/05/12 10:27 AM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: sands]
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What would YOU say was a reasonable amount of time to get a permit?


I think Arizona's process has a reasonable amount of time to get a permit.


And that is?
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#1376186 --- 12/06/12 01:24 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: Ohithere
a simple question was asked....Name one legal militia......can't come up with one can you? ;\)



Since I never asserted there was such a thing as a legal militia, why would I try to name one


I guess rhetorical questions are a bit too nuanced for you, eh?
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#1376210 --- 12/06/12 03:37 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Would an example of a legal militia be the U.S. Marine Corps? The New York National Guard?

The Guard... yes. The USMC... no. They're regulars.



You sir are correct.
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#1376212 --- 12/06/12 03:42 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
What would YOU say was a reasonable amount of time to get a permit?

Mine took six months way back when. Perhaps something 'showed up' on your file that caused your application to be red-lighted.


Reasonable amount of time should be within a day. Last time I bought a gun I simply filled out a form and the gun store owner called the FBI and within a few minutes the backround check was conducted and I was approved.

Back in the 70's when I got my permit it took 6 weeks. I am not sure why you would think something showed up. If it had I probably wouldn't have had one issued.

I see common sense is not your strong suit.
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#1376214 --- 12/06/12 03:48 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Hard Corps]
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Originally Posted By: Timbo
What would YOU say was a reasonable amount of time to get a permit?

Mine took six months way back when. Perhaps something 'showed up' on your file that caused your application to be red-lighted.


Reasonable amount of time should be within a day. Last time I bought a gun I simply filled out a form and the gun store owner called the FBI and within a few minutes the backround check was conducted and I was approved.

Back in the 70's when I got my permit it took 6 weeks. I am not sure why you would think something showed up. If it had I probably wouldn't have had one issued.

I see common sense is not your strong suit.


I was bustin' yer chops 'Corps.

I thought we were talking about getting a permit, not buying a handgun. We're NEVER going to see one day turnarounds on new permits.


Edited by Timbo (12/06/12 03:52 PM)
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#1376216 --- 12/06/12 03:49 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was bustin' yer chops 'Corps.



Ok!
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#1376230 --- 12/06/12 05:34 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
We're NEVER going to see one day turnarounds on new permits.



What about in Arizona?
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#1376613 --- 12/09/12 11:02 AM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: sands]
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Sarcasm and satire all rolled into one nice neat little package. \:\)

Obama is coming for my guns.

Obama is coming for YOUR guns.

How do I know this? I know this because he DID NOT come after our guns in his first four years as President, which means he wants to take away all of our guns. Hell, he probably wants to melt them all down and recycle the parts so that he can give more welfare moms free cell phones. AM I RIGHT MY REDNECK BROTHERS?

There are over 10,000 people killed by guns in the United States every year. The next closest First-World countries average a couple of hundred people who die from gun-related violence. In fact, you can add up England, Canada, France, Spain, Australia, Japan, Germany, New Zealand, Switzerland, and Austria and they would get to about 1/20th of the murders in America.

“But that’s not fair! America has more people than a lot of those countries!”

Calm down, Guy with 6 Teeth in a Single-Wide. You are correct: If you look at these deaths on a purely per-capita basis, the U.S. only kills about eight times the people per 100,000 than the next closest country. WE’RE NUMBER ONE!



In Canada’s defense, most gun deaths are due to large women in coats being mistaken for moose.

With a few high-profile shootings in the news recently, the issue of gun control has come up again in the mainstream media. NFL linebacker Jovon Belcher shot and killed his girlfriend (also the mother of his 3-month old child) in front of his mother and his baby. He then drove to the Chiefs facility and blew his brains out in front of his coach and the team’s owner. MURIKA! Of course, Second Amendment supporters make the standard “guns don’t kill people – PEOPLE kill people” argument – but at what point do we recognize that guns are bad, mmmkay?

NBC broadcaster (and journalist, by the way) Bob Costas has taken considerable flak for editorial comments that he made on the air following the shooting. Gun rights advocates were furious that Costas would take such controversial positions like “If Jovon didn’t have a gun he probably wouldn’t have shot himself in the face” – I’m paraphrasing of course but the reality is that at NO point did Costas call for gun control, legislation, or that anything should be done politically.


So since Costas didn’t get political in his comments it would appear that somebody needs to pick up the slack. Here is a little Second Amendment love for you all:

First and foremost – Here is the Second Amendment – “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Simple, beautiful, and like most of our Constitution – Open to interpretation. Many modern-day gun advocates shroud their desire to own a rocket launcher in pretending like our Founding Fathers (and God: We can NEVER forget that all of our rights come from God) thought that everybody should have unregulated access to whatever weapons they deemed fit to defend their family. Then again, Founders like James Madison thought it was absurd that we needed a Second Amendment because it was unfathomable that the government would ever muster a standing army that would be a threat to the people. Good call, Jimmy!

Sidenote: To all of the gun-toting teabillies out there who think that there is going to be a second Civil War, or that you are going to need your guns to fight the government – stop it. You are not that bright, and it is not 1790 any longer. Our government can blow you up with a radio-controlled plane now without you even knowing what happened, so your AR-15 isn’t going to do you a lot of good against a tank. You might be one gun away from getting on the ATF’s radar, and as a refresher if the government DOES come for your guns, it’s not going to end well for you. Ask my old friend David Koresh.

Do you know what else the Framers of the Constitution expected? That every able-bodied man at age 18 joined the militia. There ya go, gun-rights people. You want your guns? You have to serve in the military to get em!

On May 8, 1792, Congress passed “[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States” requiring:

[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia…[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

You aren’t repelling any invasions. You aren’t fighting any tyrannical governments. (I know, I know – Obama is a Socialist and ruining the country but how about just this once you let the guy elected democratically do his job?) You most likely are not participating in law enforcement. (and God Bless you if you are) You are not organizing your own army. You want to try to bag an 8-point buck – ROCK ON! Does the Constitution say that you should have an AK-47 to do so? No.

So let’s ease up on trying to determine what people over 200 years ago were thinking, and start using some common sense. If you want to waste your time trying to interpret outdated documents that have no bearing on modern society – stick to The Bible.
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#1376658 --- 12/09/12 05:22 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: twocats]
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How many more football players have to die before we stop the madness? "If Josh Brent didn't have a car, Jerry Brown would be alive today." I'm calling for everyone to give up their cars, trucks and SUVs and end this senseless violence!



Cowboys' Josh Brent arrested after crash kills teammate Jerry Brown

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2012/12/08/josh-brent-arrest/1755831/
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#1376662 --- 12/09/12 06:16 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: twocats]
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Obama is coming for my guns.

Obama is coming for YOUR guns.

AM I RIGHT MY REDNECK BROTHERS?

He better bring a shovel, because I buried them in your lawn 2 years ago, twocats!

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#1376663 --- 12/09/12 06:25 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: sands]
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How many more football players have to die before we stop the madness? "If Josh Brent didn't have a car, Jerry Brown would be alive today." I'm calling for everyone to give up their cars, trucks and SUVs and end this senseless violence!



Cowboys' Josh Brent arrested after crash kills teammate Jerry Brown

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2012/12/08/josh-brent-arrest/1755831/


Remember its the car that kills, not the driver!

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#1376664 --- 12/09/12 06:26 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: ]
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You want to try to bag an 8-point buck – ROCK ON! Does the Constitution say that you should have an AK-47 to do so? No.

YES!
Well mine does. The AK/AR do a fine job of it.
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#1376667 --- 12/09/12 06:33 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: I did it!]
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You want to try to bag an 8-point buck – ROCK ON! Does the Constitution say that you should have an AK-47 to do so? No.

YES!
Well mine does. The AK/AR do a fine job of it.
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#1376716 --- 12/10/12 07:35 AM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Timbo]
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#1398351 --- 04/21/13 11:09 AM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
And no you can't come over. You may find my assault weapon with it's red dot scope and attached flashlight offensive.


You can over here. I have several "assault weapons" we can take to the range (you can be my guest) and maybe you will learn something. We can even test your theory, "any rube can hit a target with one."



A lot of trash talk for someone who doesn't own a gun but maybe he has another definition of what constitutes a weapon such as a ...slingshot or bow & arrow?

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#1398355 --- 04/21/13 11:23 AM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Ohithere]
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So Sand, are we to believe anything that you state from this moment on if you are willing to lie about something so important as saving a few lives by changing our current gun laws?

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#1398375 --- 04/21/13 12:44 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: Ohithere]
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So Sand, are we to believe anything that you state from this moment on if you are willing to lie about something so important as saving a few lives by changing our current gun laws?
Funny you keep talking about truth!!

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#1398376 --- 04/21/13 12:46 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: ]
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Truth is a strange concept for you, we know. Right up there with facts.
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#1398380 --- 04/21/13 01:13 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Ohithere
So Sand, are we to believe anything that you state from this moment on if you are willing to lie about something so important as saving a few lives by changing our current gun laws?
Funny you keep talking about truth!!



You spending so much time spewing vitriol makes it virtually impossible to ingest truth. Even when truth causes you to fall flat on your face, you'll swear that the floor hinged upwards 90 degrees and slapped you in the face.

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#1398382 --- 04/21/13 01:22 PM Re: Obama to strip gun rights may start Civil War [Re: ]
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You would LOVE Texas! Ever think of relocating?

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