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#1479942 --- 12/17/15 05:36 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: leeoh]
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Originally Posted By: leeoh
You were right Iverson was ordered to removed the material, that cost him $300,000.
Looks like Iverson ended up paying for that strip of waterfront that the Mayor tried to give to him, if he paid $300,000 as reported he got taken, KARMA.

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#1480350 --- 01/02/16 02:00 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: helpme]
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More bad news for the parties involved in the sale and development of the old Penn Yan boat Company, this week the village was told not on my property by the owner of Roto Salt while preparing to get started laying a new sewer line over his company's property and then along the outlet to the Boat Company site. The village who took out a one million dollar loan to pay for this project that will go to the Boat Company then over the Firemen's Field to the hotel, this expensive project that the village taxpayers are picking up the tab for only benefits those two developments. The village will lose $5,000 a month if they fail to install the sewer line on time as stated in the agreement approved by the Penn Yan Village Board, you may ask yourself why didn't the village Board seek permission before they got this far along, the answer is very simple they are incompetent.

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#1480576 --- 01/09/16 04:24 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: leeoh]
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Originally Posted By: leeoh
More bad news for the parties involved in the sale and development of the old Penn Yan boat Company, this week the village was told not on my property by the owner of Roto Salt while preparing to get started laying a new sewer line over his company's property and then along the outlet to the Boat Company site. The village who took out a one million dollar loan to pay for this project that will go to the Boat Company then over the Firemen's Field to the hotel, this expensive project that the village taxpayers are picking up the tab for only benefits those two developments. The village will lose $5,000 a month if they fail to install the sewer line on time as stated in the agreement approved by the Penn Yan Village Board, you may ask yourself why didn't the village Board seek permission before they got this far along, the answer is very simple they are incompetent.
I believe the owner of Roto Salt is denying the village permission to build a portion of the outlet trail on top of the sewer line that is going over his property, the trail would be built 20 feet wide and the owner must then "give" the village the trail.



Edited by helpme (01/09/16 04:26 PM)

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#1483726 --- 04/09/16 12:09 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: helpme]
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This weeks headlines in the local paper read "Moorings on Keuka plan gets Penn Yan Planning Board OK", what it failed to tell the public is that the State Parks Agency is stopping the new sewer line that the village is paying for to have installed to the Boat Company over park lands the Firemen Field and the Outlet trail behind Roto Salt. That's right the Village Board is responsible once again for holding up the sale and development of the Old boat Company. The village board knowing ignored state laws and now both the new hotel and the boat company projects may be forced to shutdown for a period up to 1 year, good move lawmakers or should I say lawbreakers?


Edited by leeoh (04/09/16 12:09 PM)

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#1483732 --- 04/09/16 06:35 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
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If what you say is correct, then I think it would be the State Parks Agency that is holding things up. Unless I'm missing something

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#1483733 --- 04/09/16 07:01 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: TheKing]
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The Village is required to apply to the State Legislators for possible permission to trespass on park lands.

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#1483989 --- 04/19/16 09:27 AM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: leeoh]
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I don't know the geography, but what state park is affected?

Originally Posted By: leeoh
The Village is required to apply to the State Legislators for possible permission to trespass on park lands.


Edited by all seeing eye (04/19/16 09:27 AM)
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#1483998 --- 04/19/16 02:00 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: all seeing eye]
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Not a state park. It is my understanding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes and cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.


Edited by Mean Gene (04/19/16 02:00 PM)
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#1483999 --- 04/19/16 03:01 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: Mean Gene]
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The legislation was passed and signed by the Governor:


A7551-A Palmesano Same as S 5425-A O'MARA
Conveyance of State Land
TITLE....Authorizes the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC


06/17/15 PASSED SENATE
06/17/15 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
06/18/15 home rule request
06/18/15 passed assembly
09/15/15 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
09/25/15 SIGNED CHAP.335

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to authorize the conveyance of title of certain parklands in the village of Penn Yan


PURPOSE:

To authorize the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Not a state park. It is my understanding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes and cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
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#1484012 --- 04/19/16 06:42 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The legislation was passed and signed by the Governor:


A7551-A Palmesano Same as S 5425-A O'MARA
Conveyance of State Land
TITLE....Authorizes the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC


06/17/15 PASSED SENATE
06/17/15 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
06/18/15 home rule request
06/18/15 passed assembly
09/15/15 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
09/25/15 SIGNED CHAP.335

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to authorize the conveyance of title of certain parklands in the village of Penn Yan


PURPOSE:

To authorize the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Not a state park. It is my understanhding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes an cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
Both of you are wrong not the same land or regulations you two have claimed, if you don't know the facts remain silent.


Edited by leeoh (04/19/16 06:43 PM)

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#1484014 --- 04/19/16 11:29 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: leeoh]
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What I cannot understand is why, if you KNOW the facts, you are remaining silent.

Based on the earlier information, I searched for home rule laws about land in Penn Yan. I really thought I found the correct information.

If you "know the facts," why are YOU remaining silent? Why criticize us without informing?

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The legislation was passed and signed by the Governor:


A7551-A Palmesano Same as S 5425-A O'MARA
Conveyance of State Land
TITLE....Authorizes the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC


06/17/15 PASSED SENATE
06/17/15 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
06/18/15 home rule request
06/18/15 passed assembly
09/15/15 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
09/25/15 SIGNED CHAP.335

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to authorize the conveyance of title of certain parklands in the village of Penn Yan


PURPOSE:

To authorize the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Not a state park. It is my understanhding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes an cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
Both of you are wrong not the same land or regulations you two have claimed, if you don't know the facts remain silent.
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#1484015 --- 04/19/16 11:36 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
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leeoh, please share the "facts" with us. If possible real facts, not opinions!
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#1484063 --- 04/21/16 07:01 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: all seeing eye]
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April 2015 the village board got caught by the NY State Parks Agency in an illegal act of trying to give public parkland land to the developer of the boat company property without first seeking approval of the State Legislature. Then when requesting approval the lawbreakers were forced to write a second home rule request when they were caught lying in the first one, Once again they have been caught and must go the State for approval but this time there are new requirement that the village must meet, the crackpot mayor sad the hell with law and tried the illegal way and got caught and now the boat company deal might not take place.


Edited by leeoh (04/21/16 07:02 PM)

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#1484070 --- 04/22/16 11:24 AM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: leeoh]
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So this must all be going on behind closed doors in executive session or the newspaper would be reporting on it?
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#1484090 --- 04/23/16 12:51 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: Mean Gene]
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The Mayor has been keeping this bad news from most of the Village Board members, the village lawyer and maybe one or 2 village employees know that the state has shut down construction of the new sewer line on the outlet trail behind Roto Salt. The local paper knows most of the facts but elects not to write a story for reason unknown.


Edited by leeoh (04/23/16 12:52 PM)

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#1484141 --- 04/26/16 07:05 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: leeoh]
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The state didn't shut down the construction because the law allows for any citizen to file a lawsuit against the village in this matter, it's my understanding that this will be done within a month. The lawsuit will petition the court to stop and remove the sewer pump house that was declared by the NY State Parks agency as being illegality constructed on Park land the "Firemen field". The village could file a request to allow the pump house by the way of adopting a home rule request to the state but time is running out to do so, if it's not done soon the village will have to wait until next year and that means the hotel will not open to next year. Once again the Mayor and board members have screwed up. I wonder what the investors of the hotel think of this?


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#1484152 --- 04/26/16 11:18 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: helpme]
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This whole discussion makes little sense. State Parks does not regulate all the parks in the state and I have never heard of them ordering anything having to do with local park lands.

If the Sewer district needs to make changes, like removing a pump house, that is DEC responsibility, not parks and is controlled by the sewer district.

I think all the deed issues were taken care of in last years home rule legislation approved by the governor last year:

The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assem-
bly, do enact as follows:

Section 1. Legislative findings. The legislature hereby finds and determines that the village of Penn Yan, in the county of Yates, alienated and conveyed municipal parklands on September 25, 1972 to the company known as Penn Yan Boats, Inc., as authorized by chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 in exchange for five additional substitute parcels of land. Furthermore:
(a) On February 26, 2014 the village of Penn Yan, county of Yates, and Keuka Outlet Development LLC entered into a development agreement to redevelop and rehabilitate the former Penn Yan Marine site originally conveyed to Penn Yan Boats, Inc. pursuant to chapter 353 of the laws of 1972, with the Agreement with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.
(b) it was discovered that the legal description used in chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 and property deed used to convey the land to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., both failed to properly define the metes and bounds of the lands to be conveyed and which were thereafter used and occupied by Penn Yan Boats, Inc.
(c) village of Penn Yan was unaware that there remained an appearance it retained title or interest in the small parcel of property not properly included in the legal description of the land from chapter 353 of the laws of 1972.
(d) village occupy or use the parcel of land described in section four of this act.
§ 2. Notwithstanding the defect described in section one of this act, the prior alienation and conveyance of the parklands section four of this act to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., is hereby validated, legalized, ratified and confirmed, notwithstanding the absence of prior legislative approval.
§ 3. Furthermore, the village of Penn Yan, Yates County, acting by and through its village board, is authorized to discontinue and alienate as parklands the lands described in section four of this act, and convey, by quitclaim deed, any interest it may have in such parklands to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC.
§ 4. The parklands to be discontinued, alienated, and conveyed pursuant to sections two and three of this act are bounded and described as follows:
ALL THAT TRACT OR PARCEL OF LAND situate in the Village of Penn Yan, Town of Milo, County of Yates, State of New York, bounded and described as follows: Beginning on the Westerly line if Hicks Street, which is the Southwest corner of said Hicks Street and which is North 49 00'06" West eight hundred sixty-four and sixty hundredths (864.60') feet from the Westerly line of Lake Street, and thence running North 49 00'06" West seventy-eight and fifty four hundredths feet (78.54') along the said Westerly line of Hicks Street produced to a point; thence running North 15 14'54" East thirty-three and sixty-six hundredths feet (33.66') to a point on the Westerly boundary line of Penn Yan Boats, Inc.; thence running South 58 45'06 East one hundred ninety-six and sixty-eight hundredths feet (196.68') along the lands of said Penn Yan Boats, Inc. to a point which is the Southwest corner of their lands, thence South 39 59'54" West two hundred ninety-five and sixty-eight hundredths feet (295.68') along the Westerly boundary line of lands of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. and across the terminus line of Hicks Street to the place of beginning containing 1.77 acres of land, more or less.
ALSO, ALL THAT OTHER TRACT OR PARCEL OF LAND situate in the Village of Penn Yan, Town of Milo, County of Yates, State of New York, bounded and described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Westerly line of Hicks Street which is nine hundred forty-three and fourteen hundredths feet (943.14') along the Westerly line of Hicks Street extended from the Westerly line of Lake Street and thence running North 49 00'06" West seventy feet (70.00') (83.65' Meas.) more or less along the Westerly line of Hicks Street extended to a point on the Easterly line of the lands of the Seneca Grape Juice Corporation; thence continuing North one hundred nine and eighty hundredths (109.80') to a point on the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence North 03 30'45" West one hundred ten and thirty-one hundredths (110.31') along the westerly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence North 02 34'12" East seventy-five and thirty-nine hundredths (75.39') along the westerly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence North 18 10'31" East eighteen and fourteen hundredths (18.14') along the westerly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence South 72 14'52" East passing through chaining station 2.5 in the center line of original location of the siding known in the records of the New York Central Railroad Company as Track No. 14 seventy-eight and thirty-one hundredths (78.31') to a point on the easterly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the co-called Blue Line of the original Crooked LakeCanal said point is also the Southeast corner of lands of Penn Yan Boats, Inc.; thence North 18 11'34" East seventy-six and twenty hundredths (76.20') along the easterly line of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. and the so-called Blue Line of the Crooked Lake Canal, and thence running North 31 09'01" East eighteen feet (18.00') more or less along the Easterly line of lands of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. and the so-called Blue Line of the Crooked Lake Canal to a point, which is another Southwest corner of Penn Yan Boats, Inc.; thence running South 58 45'06" East along the Westerly boundary line of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. one hundred sixty feet (160.00') more or less to a point; thence running South 42 44'54" West thirty-three and sixty-six hundredths feet (33.66') along the line of lands as described in the above parcel, and thence running South 15 14'54" West two hundred ninety-seven feet (297.00') along the Westerly line of lands described above to the place of beginning, containing 1.329 acres of land more or less.

§ 5. This act shall take effect immediately.
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#1484153 --- 04/27/16 06:01 AM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: all seeing eye]
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Open both eyes than you might be able to see the truth instead of copying something off the internet that you don't comprehend, look up NY parks alienation and just maybe you might understand what you talking about. It's not only the clouds that can see a idiot.

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#1484178 --- 04/27/16 04:36 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: helpme]
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What is parkland alienation?
Parkland “alienation” occurs when a municipality wishes to sell, lease, or discontinue
municipal parkland. Parkland alienation applies to every municipal park in the State,
whether owned by a city, county, town, or village. In order to convey parkland to a nonpublic
entity, or to use parkland for another purpose, the municipality must receive prior
authorization from the State in the form of legislation enacted by the New York State
Legislature and approved by the Governor. The bill by which the Legislature grants its
authorization is commonly referred to as a “parkland alienation” bill.

This IS the parkland alienation legislation that was enacted last year to alienate and convey the former parkland to Keuka Outlet Development.

What parkland are you talking about:

Section 1. Legislative findings. The legislature hereby finds and determines that the village of Penn Yan, in the county of Yates, alienated and conveyed municipal parklands on September 25, 1972 to the company known as Penn Yan Boats, Inc., as authorized by chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 in exchange for five additional substitute parcels of land. Furthermore:

(a) On February 26, 2014 the village of Penn Yan, county of Yates, and Keuka Outlet Development LLC entered into a development agreement to redevelop and rehabilitate the former Penn Yan Marine site originally conveyed to Penn Yan Boats, Inc. pursuant to chapter 353 of the laws of 1972, with the Agreement with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.

(b) it was discovered that the legal description used in chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 and property deed used to convey the land to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., both failed to properly define the metes and bounds of the lands to be conveyed and which were thereafter used and occupied by Penn Yan Boats, Inc.

(c) village of Penn Yan was unaware that there remained an appearance it retained title or interest in the small parcel of property not properly included in the legal description of the land from chapter 353 of the laws of 1972.

(d) village occupy or use the parcel of land described in section four of this act.

§ 2. Notwithstanding the defect described in section one of this act, the prior alienation and conveyance of the parklands section four of this act to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., is hereby validated, legalized, ratified and confirmed, notwithstanding the absence of prior legislative approval.

§ 3. Furthermore, the village of Penn Yan, Yates County, acting by and through its village board, is authorized to discontinue and alienate as parklands the lands described in section four of this act, and convey, by quitclaim deed, any interest it may have in such parklands to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC.


Originally Posted By: helpme
Open both eyes than you might be able to see the truth instead of copying something off the internet that you don't comprehend, look up NY parks alienation and just maybe you might understand what you talking about. It's not only the clouds that can see a idiot.
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#1484180 --- 04/27/16 06:10 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: all seeing eye]
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Very good now you know that it covers all parks, now put away that boat company bill, now I will explain the Firemen field caper by the village board. The Firemen Field was purchased with GRANT Money and there was strings attached which were that the village can't SELL,BUILD BELOW OR ABOVE The Land of the FIREMEN FIELD without the approval from the state legislature. The village just put a sewer line below the firemen field and built a sewer pump house above ground. The Mayor and the rest of the village board knew they were breaking the law and by doing so was in fact was stealing park land from the village residents. Shortly a lawsuit will be filed in Yates County Supreme Court requesting that the sewer line and pump house be removed for failure to get approval from the State legislature, this will prevent the new hotel from opening.






Edited by leeoh (04/27/16 06:16 PM)

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