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#1367822 - 10/09/12 05:12 PM Mayor sells out?
j3668py
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Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Behind closed doors Penn Yan Mayor Church has assured Yates county that the village will help them sell the toxic waste site they own, the village will sell the firemen's field and provide the infrastructure that will be needed so the county can sell the old Penn Yan boat company. This idiotic move by the village will sharply increase property taxes, water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a increase in local sales tax. The Mayor claims we no longer need the firemen's field, the men have a custom made bar at the fire house and it's safer if a fire call comes in, they won't have to drive from the other side of town because they already will be at the fire house. When asked about those on a fixed income who will be forced to sell their homes because they won't be able to afford to pay the new taxes he replied, we have a few real estate salesmen on the board who will be glad to assist those who must sell their homes and find apartments.

Edited by j3668py (10/09/12 05:23 PM)

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#1367835 - 10/09/12 08:20 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
FLDukes
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Registered: 10/09/12
Posts: 26
Loc: Finger Lakes
Is the Penn Yan marine site not in the Village ... won't they benefit from the eventual property tax from those homes? 30-50 homes on the water (so I would assume they would sell for a lot). I'm actually surprised the village was willing to part with fireman's field. either way ... the infrastructure costs have to be pretty contained and I doubt taxes would go up ... probably why the mayor made what seems like a tongue and cheek comment.
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#1367845 - 10/09/12 10:04 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
TheKing
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 103
Loc: Finger Lakes
hogwash!
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#1367852 - 10/09/12 10:53 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
Bow Wow
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Registered: 10/05/12
Posts: 32
Loc: Dirt Pile
Originally Posted By: j3668py

1. the toxic waste site
2. sharply increase property taxes
3. water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a
4. increase in local sales tax.


Q 1: Has the toxic waste been removed? If not, who will pay for the removal?
Q 2: How will this increase taxes. It sounds like this will increase revenue, and lower the tax rate.
Q3: How will more people living in the village raise the utility RATES? I don't get it.
Q4: We all know the County controls the sales tax. How will having more people living in the village create a need for a higher sales tax?

What am I missing?

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#1367870 - 10/10/12 08:01 AM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: Bow Wow]
FLDukes
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Registered: 10/09/12
Posts: 26
Loc: Finger Lakes
Originally Posted By: Bow Wow
Originally Posted By: j3668py

1. the toxic waste site
2. sharply increase property taxes
3. water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a
4. increase in local sales tax.


Q 1: Has the toxic waste been removed? If not, who will pay for the removal?
Q 2: How will this increase taxes. It sounds like this will increase revenue, and lower the tax rate.
Q3: How will more people living in the village raise the utility RATES? I don't get it.
Q4: We all know the County controls the sales tax. How will having more people living in the village create a need for a higher sales tax?

What am I missing?


From what I've read and what I know of basic tax structures ... you would think the additional 30-50 houses (regardless of what they sell for) will bring in a lot of property tax revenue for the village ... especially long-term. I imagine that would easily off-set the cost of infrastructure.

If anything these "higher end" homes in a lake front community would draw in people that would also spend more money in and around Penn Yan ... so I imagine the county would benefit from sales tax increases there as well ... not to mention the money these people would spend in the community to boost the local economy as well? I think this development is a no brainer ... that property has some value if done right.


Edited by FLDukes (10/10/12 08:03 AM)

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#1367878 - 10/10/12 09:01 AM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: Bow Wow]
TheKing
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 103
Loc: Finger Lakes
Q1 NYSEG pays for cleanup
Q2 correct
Q3 Municipal electric low rates are based on hydropower,and supplemented with other types. The other types are more expensive and will make up a larger part of the supply to the village
Q4Yeah, I don't see where that will change. The village should get a portion of sales tax dollars. Thats where most of the sales tax is produced.

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#1367971 - 10/10/12 05:08 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: TheKing]
j3668py
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Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Originally Posted By: TheKing
Q1 NYSEG pays for cleanup
Q2 correct
Q3 Municipal electric low rates are based on hydropower,and supplemented with other types. The other types are more expensive and will make up a larger part of the supply to the village
Q4Yeah, I don't see where that will change. The village should get a portion of sales tax dollars. That's where most of the sales tax is produced.
Hogwash the village will never benefit from this scam, it's all about the county unloading a piece of junk property that will never be developed as stated. The developer has other plans such as just building a hotel that will be financed by some of the good ole boys, it's almost the same story that was told 10 years ago by the village board and conifer reality owners of the welfare apartments by the American legion. Conifer claim if the village provide all the infrastructure they would build low income apartments plus 48 single family homes that would bring mucho revenue to the village, 10 year later no revenue no homes just a lot of trouble and bed bugs. Let the county provide the infrastructure if it's such a good deal, the village doesn't need to support this scam with village taxpayer's funds.

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#1367978 - 10/10/12 05:40 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
TheKing
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 103
Loc: Finger Lakes
to start with, my post is in the wrong place, I was commenting on the Water St project. My error. As for the PY Marine site, The village will derive an increased tax base for property tax and again the County should share some sales tax with the Village. Of course they have there own budget problems, so probably won't happen. Infrastucture costs should be shared at the very least.
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#1369383 - 10/19/12 07:55 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: TheKing]
father
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Registered: 01/31/08
Posts: 558
Loc: NY
So who is the high bidder this time?
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#1386348 - 02/06/13 07:06 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
j3668py
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Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Originally Posted By: j3668py
Behind closed doors Penn Yan Mayor Church has assured Yates county that the village will help them sell the toxic waste site they own, the village will sell the firemen's field and provide the infrastructure that will be needed so the county can sell the old Penn Yan boat company. This idiotic move by the village will sharply increase property taxes, water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a increase in local sales tax. The Mayor claims we no longer need the firemen's field, the men have a custom made bar at the fire house and it's safer if a fire call comes in, they won't have to drive from the other side of town because they already will be at the fire house. When asked about those on a fixed income who will be forced to sell their homes because they won't be able to afford to pay the new taxes he replied, we have a few real estate salesmen on the board who will be glad to assist those who must sell their homes and find apartments.
Trustee wants to tie sales tax to development, this weeks local paper quotes trustee Mike Christensen claiming just what I predicted months ago that the Mayor is eager to sell the village taxpayers out. About time someone has the best interest of the village taxpayers ahead of the good ole boys, thanks Mike.

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#1386375 - 02/06/13 11:35 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: j3668py]
Mean Gene
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1904
Loc: Yates County
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!
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#1386392 - 02/07/13 07:36 AM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: Mean Gene]
j3668py
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Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


Yet,

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#1386530 - 02/08/13 12:31 PM Re: Mayor sells out? [Re: Mean Gene]
j3668py
Member


Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


The mayor should have told the county to come up with a offer before the VB voted to agree to meet the deadline, the county will never offer the village any sales tax and the mayor knows this.

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