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#1367295 - 10/04/12 09:15 PM Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes
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Fact Check: Romney Told 27 Myths in 38 Minutes During the Debate
Romney won praise for his performance but only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers.

Think Progress
By Igor Volsky

October 4, 2012


Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romney’s strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obama’s policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:

1) “[G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs”. Romney’s plan for “energy independence” actually relies heavily on a study that assumes the U.S. continues with fuel efficiency standards set by the Obama administration. For instance, he uses Citigroup research based off the assumption that “‘the United States will continue with strict fuel economy standards that will lower its oil demand.” Since he promises to undo the Obama administration’s new fuel efficiency standards, he would cut oil consumption savings of 2 million barrels per day by 2025.

2) “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about.” A Tax Policy Center analysis of Romney’s proposal for a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut in all federal income tax rates, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, eliminating the estate tax and other tax reductions, would reduce federal revenue $480 billion in 2015. This amounts to $5 trillion over the decade.

3) “My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.” If Romney hopes to provide tax relief to the middle class, then his $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work.

4) “My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.

5) “I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.” The studies Romney cites actually further prove that Romney would, in fact, have to raise taxes on the middle class if he were to keep his promise not to lose revenue with his tax rate reduction.

6) “I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.

7) “And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate….97 percent of the businesses are not — not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they’re taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half — half of all the people who work in small business.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.

8) “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” Oil production from federal lands is higher, not lower: Production from federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007. And the oil and gas industry is sitting on7,000 approved permits to drill, that it hasn’t begun exploring or developing.

9) “The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.” This is not even close to being true. When Obama took office, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. Now the national debt is over $16 trillion. That $5.374 trillion increase is nowhere near as much debt as all the other presidents combined.

10) “That’s why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to kill jobs in this environment.” That study, produced by a right-wing advocacy organization, doesn’t analyze what Obama has actually proposed.

11) “What we do have right now is a setting where I’d like to bring money from overseas back to this country.” Romney’s plan to shift the country to a territorial tax system would allow corporations to do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the United States. This encourages American companies to invest abroad and could cost the country up to 800,000 jobs.

12) “I would like to take the Medicaid dollars that go to states and say to a state, you’re going to get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1 percent, and then you’re going to manage your care for your poor in the way you think best.” Sending federal Medicaid funding to the states in the form of a block grant woud significantly reduce federal spending for Medicaid because the grant would not keep up with projected health care costs. A CBO estimate of a very similar proposal from Paul Ryan found that federal spending would be “35 percent lower in 2022 and 49 percent lower in 2030 than current projected federal spending” and as a result “states would face significant challenges in achieving sufficient cost savings through efficiencies to mitigate the loss of federal funding.” “To maintain current service levels in the Medicaid program, states would probably need to consider additional changes, such as reducing their spending on other programs or raising additional revenues,” the CBO found.

13) “I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.

14) “What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.” Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) “premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.

15) “Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose — and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.” The Medicare program changes for everyone, even people who choose to remain in the traditional fee-for-service. Rather than relying on a guaranteed benefit, all beneficiaries will receive a premium support credit of $7,500 on average in 2023 to purchase coverage in traditional Medicare or private insurance. But that amount will only grow at a rate of GDP plus 1.5 percentage points and will not keep up with health care costs. So while the federal government will spend less on the program, seniors will pay more in premiums.

16) “And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or — or Senator Wyden, who’s the co-author of the bill with — with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill — Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.” Romney has rejected the Ryan/Wyden approach — which does not cap the growth of the “premium support” subsidy. Bill Clinton and his commission also voted down these changes to the Medicare program.

17) “Well, I would repeal and replace it. We’re not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.” Romney has previously called for full repeal of Dodd-Frank, a law whose specific purpose is to regulate banks. MF Global’s use of customer funds to pay for its own trading losses is just one bit of proof that the financial industry isn’t responsible enough to protect consumers without regulation.

18) “But I wouldn’t designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. That’s one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank… We need to get rid of that provision because it’s killing regional and small banks. They’re getting hurt.” The law merely says that the biggest, systemically risky banks need to abide by more stringent regulations. If those banks fail, they will be unwound by a new process in the Dodd-Frank law that protects taxpayers from having to pony up for a bailout.

19) “And, unfortunately, when — when — when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost.” Obamacare will actually provide millions of families with tax credits to make health care more affordable.

20) “[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structuresin a 2009 health plan.

21) “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering. According to CBO director Douglas Elmendorf, 3 million or less people would leave employer-sponsored health insurance coverage as a result of the law.

22) “I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” Romney raised fees, but he can claim that he didn’t increase taxes because the federal government funded almost half of his reforms.

23) “It’s why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had — had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.” The Affordable Care Act incorporates many Republican ideas including the individual mandate, state-based health care exchanges, high-risk insurance pools, and modified provisions that allow insurers to sell policies in multiple states. Republicans never offered a united bipartisan alternative.

24) “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.

25) “In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but that’s about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives.” The $90 billion was given out over several years and included loans, loan guarantees and grants through the American Recovery Act. $23 billion of the $90 billion “went toward “clean coal,” energy-efficiency upgrades, updating the electricity grid and environmental clean-up, largely for old nuclear weapons sites.”

26) “I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” As of late last year, only “three out of the 26 recipients of 1705 loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, with losses estimated at just over $600 million.”

27) “If the president’s reelected you’ll see dramatic cuts to our military.” Romney is referring to the sequester, which his running mate Paul Ryan supported. Obama opposes the military cuts and has asked Congress to formulate a balanced approach that would avoid the trigger.



UPDATE
Romney has now admitted that number 26 was not true.
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#1367297 - 10/04/12 09:30 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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Hmmmmmm....

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#1367319 - 10/04/12 11:15 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: twocats]
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Hmmmmmm....




Rope-A-Dope? All we can see is the "DOPE" part.

Besides, who cares if we run out of money? We can just print more, right?

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#1367329 - 10/05/12 04:02 AM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Hmmmmmm....




and thats what all you on the left say....thats why nothing ever gets cut.

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#1367335 - 10/05/12 06:17 AM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: SportsRef1]
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and thats what all you on the left say....thats why nothing ever gets cut.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...voted-for-them/

Posted by Dylan Matthews on August 29, 2012 at 9:27 pm

In his speech tonight, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) decried Obama for cutting defense, saying, “We can’t afford another $500 billion in cuts to our defense budget — on top of the nearly $500 billion in cuts that the president is already making…And yet, the president is playing no leadership role in preventing this crippling blow to our military.”
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#1367338 - 10/05/12 07:40 AM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
and thats what all you on the left say....thats why nothing ever gets cut.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...voted-for-them/

Posted by Dylan Matthews on August 29, 2012 at 9:27 pm

In his speech tonight, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) decried Obama for cutting defense, saying, “We can’t afford another $500 billion in cuts to our defense budget — on top of the nearly $500 billion in cuts that the president is already making…And yet, the president is playing no leadership role in preventing this crippling blow to our military.”
McCain is a RINO and should be retired.
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#1367345 - 10/05/12 08:11 AM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: SportsRef1]
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The spin they come up with is just remarkable.

Their guy gets his a** handed to him, kooks about as un-presidential as he could have. And their spin is, Duh, he did it on purpose.
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#1367359 - 10/05/12 09:44 AM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

22) “I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” Romney raised fees, but he can claim that he didn’t increase taxes because the federal government funded almost half of his reforms.


24) “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.



did you vote for obama?
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#1367385 - 10/05/12 01:32 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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dollar short and a day late - that TPC study that much of this BS is based on has been debunked. The TPC itself has come out with a correction and update, stating that they made unfair assumptions. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the TPC authors "created assumptions that would produce the desired outcome".

You need to keep up Teo because citing outdated, flat out wrong data doesn't help anyone.
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#1367387 - 10/05/12 01:36 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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MSNBC on the debate: ROMNEY LIED! LEHRER SUCKED! THE SUN WAS IN OBAMA'S EYES!
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#1367395 - 10/05/12 02:00 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Zealot]
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Originally Posted By: Zealot
...that TPC study that much of this BS is based on has been debunked. The TPC itself has come out with a correction and update, stating that they made unfair assumptions.


Link please. Until then:



The Biggest (And Least Discussed) Lie Of The Debate? Romney’s False Claim About Clean Energy Bankruptcies


Think Progress
By Stephen Lacey on Oct 4, 2012

By now, almost every claim and counter-claim from last night’s presidential debate has been picked apart. But there’s one assertion that has received minimal attention in the after-action coverage of the debate — and it was one of the most blatant lies of the night.

The comment came about two thirds of the way through the conversation. As Romney was riffing on funding education, he pivoted to his talking points on Obama’s support of renewable energy and let this whopper loose:

“And these [clean energy] businesses, many of them have gone out of business, I think about half of them, of the ones have been invested in, have gone out of business.”

The New York Times, one of the few mainstream organizations to follow up on this claim, called Romney’s comment a “gross overstatement.”

Actually, it’s much more offensive than that.

At a time when the U.S. clean energy industry is supporting thousands of innovative businesses in every state (many of them small businesses), hundreds of thousands of jobs (including tens of thousands in Romney’s home state of Massachusetts), and leveraging tens of billions in private capital, Romney casually tried to claim that “half” of businesses that received federal incentives have gone out of business. That’s not even remotely close to the truth.

Okay, let’s throw the Romney camp a bone. To the small number of people who actually monitor this topic, it was clear that he probably meant the loan guarantee program — a tool that provides government backing of private loans in order to leverage capital for “first of a kind” renewable energy projects

After numerous tweets last night calling Romney out, Time Magazine’s Michael Grunwald confirmed today via twitter that the campaign was backtracking: “Now Romney camp tells me he misspoke, only meant to single out loan program.”

So let’s narrow Romney’s statement down to the loan guarantee program. Are we getting closer to the truth? No.

The loan guarantee program Romney referenced supported dozens of companies. Of those companies, four recently went bankrupt due to difficult market conditions. But that’s out of 33 companies that received loan guarantees or commitments for loan guarantees. That translates to a 10 percent failure rate representing roughly 2 percent of budgeted funds for the program — a big difference from the 50 percent failure rate that Romney claimed.

At the same time, the program has supported some of the largest wind and solar projects in the world, helping double generation of U.S. renewable electricity in four years.

In fact, an independent review of the loan guarantee program found that it will cost $2 billion less than actually budgeted for. (Yes, the program is designed to accept a certain level of failure, which is an important part of supporting innovative projects that need help accessing private capital).

Along with his false comments about bankruptcies, Romney claimed that Obama had “provided $90 billion in tax breaks to green energy” in one year. While $90 billion is an accurate number, it was certainly not all for tax breaks and it was not all deployed at once. (In fact, some of it still hasn’t been spent). The money was set aside through the stimulus package for grants, competitive prices, demonstration projects, and loan guarantees — with $3.4 billion going toward “clean coal,” a technology that Romney said “I like” during the debate.

The real problem with these claims isn’t how detached they are from reality. It’s that Romney likely wants them to be true.

Over the last year, Romney has made a conscious decision to run against clean energy — releasing false and misleading ads that disparage government support for the industry.

If the clean energy industry really were suffering — not booming like it is — then he’d be able score politically. But polls show Americans still really, really like federal support of the sector and that messaging around the bankrupt solar company Solyndra isn’t sticking. So, why not claim that half of companies went bankrupt? That will get people’s attention, right?

When you’ve convinced yourself of something that’s not true, it’s very easy to make your false claims as grandiose as you like.
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#1367396 - 10/05/12 02:02 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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Obama's struggling to remember the lines he was supposed to memorize #PresidentialDebate2012
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#1367397 - 10/05/12 02:04 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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Ahahahahahahahahaha... that's some of the funnest crap I've seen yet!

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#1367398 - 10/05/12 02:08 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: ]
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They want this guy to have 4 more years?


http://youtu.be/819q62ZMYVk
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#1367399 - 10/05/12 02:41 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Zealot
...that TPC study that much of this BS is based on has been debunked. The TPC itself has come out with a correction and update, stating that they made unfair assumptions.


Link please.


I already posted several of these last week but for those who were not paying attention:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports...omneys-tax-plan

"The Tax Policy Center’s assertion that their results are the last word on Governor Romney’s plan is inaccurate. In fact, their finding is only one of many possible outcomes that analysts could reach given the limited data available about his plan. The authors have since released a statement that slightly walks back the finality of their conclusions."

"The Tax Policy Center is the industry standard for producing high-quality tax data that are integral to tax policy debates. However, in this TPC report, the authors’ choices and assumptions lead them to a carefully chosen result that is misleading and biased."

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/08/the-tax-policy-center-updates-its-romney-plan-analysis/


The Tax Policy Center updates its Romney plan analysis

Yesterday, the Tax Policy Center published a paper with “FAQs and Responses” pertaining to their recent study on Governor Romney’s tax proposal. This new paper is quite useful and helpful, and the policy community should be grateful that they wrote it. However, as blemishes are apt to stand out up close, in a few ways this document highlights my misgivings regarding their initial study.

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/october/the-romney-tax-plan-not-a-tax-hike-on-the-middle-class

The Romney Tax Plan: Not a Tax Hike on the Middle Class

By Alex BrillMonday, October 1, 2012

Filed under:Economic Policy, Government & Politics

A report by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center (TPC) has been used to claim that Romney will hike taxes on the middle class. A closer look, however, and the TPC report falls apart.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/e...57eb_story.html


Alex Brill, a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute who served as a consultant to the president’s bipartisan fiscal commission, argues in a new analysis that the August study by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center erroneously concludes that Romney would have to raise taxes on middle-class households by at least $86 billion a year to pay for his proposal to cut tax rates across the board by 20 percent.

Using his analysis, Brill outlines his reasons for why that $86 billion in tax hikes would not come to pass under Romney’s plan.

Sorry forgot this one - this is the link to the TPC's update:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001631-FAQ-Romney-plan.pdf


Edited by Zealot (10/05/12 02:43 PM)
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#1367402 - 10/05/12 03:12 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Zealot]
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Obama's newest excuse.

Romney cheated!

Say it aint so.
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#1367403 - 10/05/12 03:15 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: cwjga]
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"No, Mitt Romney Did Not Bring Cheat Notes to the Debate"

It was a handkerchief!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washing...s-to-the-debate
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#1367404 - 10/05/12 03:23 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: Ghosts]
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"No, Mitt Romney Did Not Bring Cheat Notes to the Debate"

It was a handkerchief!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washing...s-to-the-debate



\:D \:D Sorry, it really is not funny. I will have to admit that Obama was right about one thing. He was never qualified to be President. not qualified


Edited by cwjga (10/05/12 03:24 PM)
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#1367407 - 10/05/12 03:34 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: cwjga]
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Romneys out of the gate first, next out is Obama coming from behind - on first debate. The race is on.

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#1367413 - 10/05/12 03:59 PM Re: Romney's 27 Myths in 38 Minutes [Re: ProAct]
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Romneys out of the gate first, next out is Obama coming from behind - on first debate. The race is on.

Ahahahahhahahahhaa.....Obama has been in over his head for the entire time he's been in office!

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