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#1364105 --- 09/16/12 03:46 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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And I do have to say, looking back on my own educational experiences, I was fortunate to have some exceptional teachers. But the keys to my success in school--from kindergarten right through graduate school--were family & self-motivation. I think I benefited from having a mother who was a teacher in many ways, as well, in that she instilled in me an appreciation for education for its own sake (i.e. learning is just good for you, no matter what).

I couldn't have got through graduate school, working 2-3 jobs and commuting to Rochester, without parents who cooked me meals and left them on my doorstep (my neighbor/landlady did that for me, too), let me do my laundry at their house (or just did it for me!) so I could study or write, and who just generally encouraged me. Teachers get a lot of blame, but a lot of these kids do not have a support system that encourages academic success.
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#1364110 --- 09/16/12 04:09 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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#1364115 --- 09/16/12 05:09 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
BZ, is like the rest of the country! BZ is sick and tired of throwing money drown a rat hole and not getting any payback.


correct
let all the teachers go
there will be long lines to fill the jobs at lower pay/ benefits that will help the taxpayers


You get what you pay for. If you haven't done the job then you have no clue. It isn't like you think it seems. But teachers have a target on their backs and it is easy to find fault when one is unaware of what it takes to do the job well.

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#1364134 --- 09/16/12 07:24 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Oh, cry me a river. You chose to take the job, no one forced you.The complaint of 22 students being to much, shame on you, my classes were all 30 to 32 students and we had a 95% grad. rate.We did not have computers or any other eguipment to help. But we had teachers who gave us the tools to do our best we could. We could all read ,write in script, Etc. Etc. No marking on a curve, if you failed, you stayed back till you got it right.

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#1364135 --- 09/16/12 07:34 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Spanky]
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I think in addition to students not having enough parental support, teachers also suffer from a similar lack of parental support. A child's attitude toward education and learning starts and ends at home; if one's parents don't value education, teaching, or learning, it's difficult to inspire the children in the classroom.

I think if my parents spent a significant amount of time bashing teachers and/or education, it would have been reflected in my behavior and, in turn, my grades.

And of course standardization has resulted in a decline in quality. I did well because my teachers were creative and inventive, and cared about the whys and hows of my learning. There was a great TED talk on how the lack of creativity in education is what is failing students in the classroom. I have to go look that up.
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#1364286 --- 09/18/12 08:16 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Originally Posted By: Here's Johnny
]You get what you pay for. If you haven't done the job then you have no clue. It isn't like you think it seems. But teachers have a target on their backs and it is easy to find fault when one is unaware of what it takes to do the job well.


are the taxpayers getting their moneys worth?
obviously not

350,000 students
29,000 teachers

350,000 / 29,000 = 12 students per class

cut the teachers back to 11,000 for 30 students per class

$1,350,000,000 saved per year in salary alone

A large amount of money saved not only in salary but healthcare and pension costs

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#1364287 --- 09/18/12 08:24 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
And I do have to say, looking back on my own educational experiences, I was fortunate to have some exceptional teachers. But the keys to my success in school--from kindergarten right through graduate school--were family & self-motivation.


then there is no reason to call them 'TEACH'ers

pay then as child care assistances

$8 per hour and no healthcare or pension
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#1364288 --- 09/18/12 08:33 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
I think if my parents spent a significant amount of time bashing teachers and/or education, it would have been reflected in my behavior and, in turn, my grades.


you 'bash' everyone else...
did you learn that from your parents?
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#1364290 --- 09/18/12 08:43 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: past tense
And I do have to say, looking back on my own educational experiences, I was fortunate to have some exceptional teachers. But the keys to my success in school--from kindergarten right through graduate school--were family & self-motivation.


then there is no reason to call them 'TEACH'ers


All of my teachers taught. They earned their title. All of my teachers inspired me, guided me, took an interest in me as a whole person. They certainly earned the title. Mrs. Winthrop, Mrs. Sinicropi, Mrs. Rutz, Mrs. Blahoe, Mrs. Balsley, Mrs. Beadnell--I don't think I would remember every single one of my primary teachers from kindergarten through fifth grade if they hadn't made a positive impact on my life. Then after that Mr. Prosser, Mrs. Parker, Mr. Logan, Mr. Lohr, Mr. Wagner, Mr. Foster, Mrs. Foster, Mrs. Krueger, Mrs. Osterhout, Mr. Ferrara, Ms. Kaczyka (I'm definitely not spelling that right), Mr. Gable, Coach Henry, Mr. Gee--and that's just off the top of my head, and just my first 12 years. College & grad school is another host of excellent educators.

Their efforts would not have been as effective without what I learned at home. It's not impossible to get the most out of your education without a supportive family who respects and values an education, but it's certainly much easier to do so when your parents value education for its own sake, and instill in you a healthy respect for teachers and education, which mine did.


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#1364291 --- 09/18/12 08:43 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: past tense
I think if my parents spent a significant amount of time bashing teachers and/or education, it would have been reflected in my behavior and, in turn, my grades.


you 'bash' everyone else...
did you learn that from your parents?


All of my comments on this thread have been constructive. Attempts to goad me by insulting my parents are a weird way of trying to make your point.
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#1364292 --- 09/18/12 08:44 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Originally Posted By: Here's Johnny
But teachers have a target on their backs


and how many days does it take them to read the new conditions of the contract?

they need to get back to work...

remember it is about the kids overpaid teachers
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#1364296 --- 09/18/12 08:51 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
All of my comments on this thread have been constructive.


are you admitting you 'bash' others on other threads?

Originally Posted By: past tense
It's difficult to watch people rail against teachers in incoherent English.


was the above comment constructive?
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#1364297 --- 09/18/12 08:53 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: past tense
All of my comments on this thread have been constructive.


are you admitting you 'bash' others on other threads?

Originally Posted By: past tense
It's difficult to watch people rail against teachers in incoherent English.


was the above comment constructive?


I'm saying I engage in just as much BS as anyone else, including you, on this forum.

And yes, it was constructive. It's very difficult to watch posters who clearly have no grasp of the written English language--or, at least, no interest in displaying that they do--rail against education and/or teachers. It's quite a fair point, actually.

Do you have any thoughts on my post about how to level the playing field for teachers vis-a-vis evaluations? Or anything substantive at all? If not, we're done engaging.
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#1364299 --- 09/18/12 08:59 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: past tense
I think if my parents spent a significant amount of time bashing teachers and/or education, it would have been reflected in my behavior and, in turn, my grades.


you 'bash' everyone else...
did you learn that from your parents?


She's mild compared to what her Father would do to an idiot such as yourself.
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#1364300 --- 09/18/12 09:00 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Festus]
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#1 Life Lesson from Pops: "Don't forget: People are morons. No matter how dumb you expect them to be, halve that."

I'm paraphrasing, but that's about right. \:\)
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#1364301 --- 09/18/12 09:00 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
Originally Posted By: past tense
It's difficult to watch people rail against teachers in incoherent English.

And yes, it was constructive.


so people without your 'IQ' should not be allowed to vote for or against the school budget?
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#1364302 --- 09/18/12 09:02 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: past tense
Originally Posted By: past tense
It's difficult to watch people rail against teachers in incoherent English.

And yes, it was constructive.


so people without your 'IQ' should not be allowed to vote for or against the shool budget?


I see you are dedicated to playing the same old parsing game. You're flailing about. I never said anything about voting, in 'shool' elections, or otherwise.

Have a good day, bz. Good to see you again.
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#1364308 --- 09/18/12 09:14 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: past tense]
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Originally Posted By: past tense
I never said anything about voting, in 'shool' elections, or otherwise.


Originally Posted By: past tense
It's difficult to watch people rail against teachers in incoherent English


It's difficult to read as people rail against teachers in incoherent English

how about all those with an 'IQ' below yours no longer have to pay school taxes?

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#1364316 --- 09/18/12 10:04 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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I'm not sure how it is set up in Chicago but most teachers are not "paid" during summer. They are paid for 10 months that can spread out over 12. Advantage Credit Union in Rochester actually started as a CU for the schools and one of the main products was a plan to put away part of each pay check to cover those unpaid months.

Now the benefits percentage does bother me. Only in the public sector do people pay in so little for their health care. I pay close to 47% for mine with my employer paying the rest.

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#1364485 --- 09/19/12 02:05 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Quote:
how about all those with an 'IQ' below yours no longer have to pay school taxes?


Hey! That's discriminatory!
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