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#1363242 --- 09/10/12 05:48 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Zealot]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: Zealot
The following link show that 79% of Chicago public school 8th graders are not proficient in reading while 80% of them are not proficient in math. in addition, more than half of CPS students don't graduate. Seems to me a better evaluation system is called for with these stats.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-depar...ficient-reading

This data combined with the fact that these teachers are some of the highest paid teachers in the country, avg $76,000 annual salary. Obviously there is not link between teacher pay and teacher competence.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/


some of the worst performing schools and the teachers want better pay and benefits

how can they say that with a straight face?
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#1363243 --- 09/10/12 05:51 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Of course you'd advocate crossing a picket line.

No surprise there.

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#1363245 --- 09/10/12 05:56 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Zealot
The following link show that 79% of Chicago public school 8th graders are not proficient in reading while 80% of them are not proficient in math. in addition, more than half of CPS students don't graduate.


let the teachers stay on strike all year
the students can learn better with homeschooling
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#1363246 --- 09/10/12 05:58 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Of course you'd advocate crossing a picket line.


the teachers do not appreciate the fact that they have a well paying job then let them stay on strike

it was their choice to walk

look at the gradution rate...
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#1363249 --- 09/10/12 06:05 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Of course you'd advocate crossing a picket line.

No surprise there.


Hey Teo! Teachers are the cause of society's ills; didn't you know that? I even heard on the radio today that murders have risen in Chicago in the last few months due to the strike---which didn't even start until today. Don't believe the media. They are owned by the same cretins who are trying to make millions and millions off the system.

I am not surprised by the media coverage that makes it a point not to air parents that are supporting this strike. And the majority of parents do support it because it calls for better conditions in the schools. The news is quick to say that Chicago is the "murder capital of the US". Try teaching under those conditions. The union turned down a pay raise in order to fight for realistic evaluations--one that measures progress not test scores.
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#1363250 --- 09/10/12 06:10 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
The union turned down a pay raise in order to fight for realistic evaluations


the 30% raise that they wanted?

their pay should be cut by 30%
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#1363251 --- 09/10/12 06:11 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: twocats]
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Only a fool would think students don't bring their lives into the classroom.

Try teaching or learning in a virtual war zone.

Fools like Bz are living in a bubble.
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#1363253 --- 09/10/12 06:14 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Teachers are the cause of society's ills


another teachers excuse

should you be planning your lesson plans for tomorrow?

ooooh why bother you will still get paid even if all your students fail....

remember it is about the students teachers
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#1363254 --- 09/10/12 06:16 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan


Only a fool would think students don't bring their lives into the classroom.


another teachers excuse

then cut the teachers pay and benefits if there is not hope for the students
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#1363255 --- 09/10/12 06:19 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Try teaching or learning in a virtual war zone.


another teachers excuse

do all the teachers on strike have bullet proof jackets?
they chose to walk...
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#1363256 --- 09/10/12 06:19 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan


Only a fool would think students don't bring their lives into the classroom.

Try teaching or learning in a virtual war zone.

Fools like Bz are living in a bubble.


A bubble? I thought it was an ignorezone because all I keep seeing is

***You are ignoring this user.***
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#1363259 --- 09/10/12 06:31 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
***You are ignoring this user.***


That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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#1363261 --- 09/10/12 06:35 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
in a virtual war zone.


and what causes it to be a war zone?
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#1363269 --- 09/10/12 06:57 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan


Only a fool would think students don't bring their lives into the classroom.

Try teaching or learning in a virtual war zone.

Fools like Bz are living in a bubble.
Look where you live yours!

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#1363351 --- 09/11/12 11:36 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
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it's kind of funny to watch this going on in "O's" hometown, under the care of his boy Rahm......this is a state with a $44 billion deficit where teachers make on average before benefits $74,000....they only pay 3% of their health care benefits....were offered a 16% increase in wages over 4 years and that wasn't good enough....all the while this being the same group where only 15% of the 4th. graders and 21% of the 8th. graders are proficient in reading....they should certainly be on strike.

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#1363381 --- 09/11/12 05:18 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
it's kind of funny to watch this going on in "O's" hometown, under the care of his boy Rahm......this is a state with a $44 billion deficit where teachers make on average before benefits $74,000....they only pay 3% of their health care benefits....were offered a 16% increase in wages over 4 years and that wasn't good enough....all the while this being the same group where only 15% of the 4th. graders and 21% of the 8th. graders are proficient in reading....they should certainly be on strike.



PURE ARROGANCE by the teachers
let them all go....
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#1363383 --- 09/11/12 05:22 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
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40% of the chicago teachers send their kids to private school
wonder if they insist on the teacher evaluations for the teachers in the private school?

funny that the teachers came up with their own evalutions and they still do not want it


they do not want teacher evaluations then cut their pay by 50%
they want job security then cut the remaining 50% fo their pay

let them volunteer if they want job security

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#1363384 --- 09/11/12 05:25 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: twocats]
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show us any other employer that would keep an employee with a job performance of 15%

never mind giving them a raise....

let them walk
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#1363385 --- 09/11/12 05:29 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: Teonan


Only a fool would think students don't bring their lives into the classroom.

Try teaching or learning in a virtual war zone.

Fools like Bz are living in a bubble.
Look where you live yours!


she can not decide as she rides the fence
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#1363391 --- 09/11/12 05:41 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
show us any other employer that would keep an employee with a job performance of 15%

never mind giving them a raise....

let them walk


Seneca County Sheriff Department!

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