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#1363174 - 09/10/12 09:52 AM ARROGANT TEACHERS
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the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike

let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package

the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy
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#1363186 - 09/10/12 11:10 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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come on Bluezone.....their doing it for the kids!

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#1363190 - 09/10/12 11:27 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
come on Bluezone.....their doing it for the kids!


will they be teaching the kids while they are on strike?

the list of 'demands' by the teachers shows their arrogance
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#1363194 - 09/10/12 11:44 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
come on Bluezone.....their doing it for the kids!



the teachers must be grumpy from those 2 months of paid summer vacation they get every year...
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#1363196 - 09/10/12 11:49 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
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And I find it hard to go back to work on monday morning...

Imagine how the poor teachers feel after 10 weeks off.

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#1363197 - 09/10/12 11:50 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
Cuzi Sedso Offline
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike

let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package

the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy
You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure?

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#1363200 - 09/10/12 12:08 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Spot on.

Bz cannot explain his reasoning -- for the obvious reasons you described.
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#1363202 - 09/10/12 12:25 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Spot on.

Bz cannot explain his reasoning -- for the obvious reasons you described.

BZ, is like the rest of the country! BZ is sick and tired of throwing money drown a rat hole and not getting any payback.

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#1363207 - 09/10/12 01:18 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
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I love it when Democrats fight Democrats. Just waiting for them to blame it on Republicans.
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#1363211 - 09/10/12 01:57 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
SportsRef1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Originally Posted By: bluezone
the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike

let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package

the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy
You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure?



the question is how do bloated wages and benefits result in higher student performance?......for example....NY leads the way in expenditures per student yet we are not #1 in America in everything that matters except for school taxes paid....your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one, that no longer has any footing except in the eyes of the teachers unions.....


http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates_FINAL_20120209.pdf

there's 129 pages...but all the info you need is there.

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#1363214 - 09/10/12 02:32 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
I love it when Democrats fight Democrats. Just waiting for them to blame it on Republicans.

The teachers strike in Chicago is a snow job.
Obama is going to step-in and smooth it out with the teachers and get them back to work. It will look like the teaches caved on their demands and Obama and the screwball Mayor won a battle. The whole thing is phoney, its a show to make Obama look like a hero.

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#1363215 - 09/10/12 02:49 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
Cuzi Sedso Offline
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Originally Posted By: bluezone
the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike
let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package
the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy
You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure?

the question is how do bloated wages and benefits result in higher student performance?......for example....NY leads the way in expenditures per student yet we are not #1 in America in everything that matters except for school taxes paid....your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one, that no longer has any footing except in the eyes of the teachers unions.....

http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates_FINAL_20120209.pdf

there's 129 pages...but all the info you need is there.

"your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one...."
I'm not making that argument at all -- I'm just trying to get an answer to Bluezone's unsupported statement that "the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy." BZ has posited that the solution lies in cutting teacher pay and benefits. I'm simply asking for some supporting evidence for that outlandish proposition.

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#1363216 - 09/10/12 03:10 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Pay is not the reason these teachers are on strike; they have already come to terms on that issue. One of the reasons that they are on strike is because of the districts requirement for a new teacher evaluation system whereby 40% of their evaluation will be linked to their students standardized test scores.

The following link show that 79% of Chicago public school 8th graders are not proficient in reading while 80% of them are not proficient in math. in addition, more than half of CPS students don't graduate. Seems to me a better evaluation system is called for with these stats.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-depar...ficient-reading

This data combined with the fact that these teachers are some of the highest paid teachers in the country, avg $76,000 annual salary. Obviously there is not link between teacher pay and teacher competence.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/


Edited by Zealot (09/10/12 03:13 PM)
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#1363217 - 09/10/12 03:32 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Originally Posted By: bluezone
the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike
let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package
the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy
You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure?

the question is how do bloated wages and benefits result in higher student performance?......for example....NY leads the way in expenditures per student yet we are not #1 in America in everything that matters except for school taxes paid....your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one, that no longer has any footing except in the eyes of the teachers unions.....

http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates_FINAL_20120209.pdf

there's 129 pages...but all the info you need is there.

"your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one...."
I'm not making that argument at all -- I'm just trying to get an answer to Bluezone's unsupported statement that "the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy." BZ has posited that the solution lies in cutting teacher pay and benefits. I'm simply asking for some supporting evidence for that outlandish proposition.
Is someone suffering from some kind of narcissistic personality disorder?

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#1363218 - 09/10/12 04:10 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
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Yeah, I think his name is Harley

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#1363219 - 09/10/12 04:11 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
Rascal Offline
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Yeah it's called GREED!

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#1363237 - 09/10/12 06:30 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Rascal]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rascal
And I find it hard to go back to work on monday morning...

Imagine how the poor teachers feel after 10 weeks off.



they will probably ask for a new contract with 2 more additional months of paid 'vacation'

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#1363238 - 09/10/12 06:33 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance.


their pay and benefits far outpace the rest of those working a full 12 months so are the students performance getting better or worse?
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#1363239 - 09/10/12 06:38 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Bz cannot explain his reasoning -- for the obvious reasons you described.


the teachers wanted a 30% pay increase with job security
they do not get both

they should be thankful they even have a job with overly generous benefits

(remember it is about the kids)

a parent was interviewed and blamed the teachers as the teachers did not have to go on strike while they were still working out a deal
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#1363240 - 09/10/12 06:40 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
BZ, is like the rest of the country! BZ is sick and tired of throwing money drown a rat hole and not getting any payback.


correct
let all the teachers go
there will be long lines to fill the jobs at lower pay/ benefits that will help the taxpayers
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