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#1363174 - 09/10/12 08:52 AM

ARROGANT TEACHERS

bluezone
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Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 27009
Loc: USA

the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike

let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package

the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy

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"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."

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#1363186 - 09/10/12 10:10 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
SportsRef1 SportsRef1 Senior Member Registered: 11/30/03 Posts: 2538 Loc: Seneca County	come on Bluezone.....their doing it for the kids!
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#1363190 - 09/10/12 10:27 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
bluezone bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 27009 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: SportsRef1 come on Bluezone.....their doing it for the kids! will they be teaching the kids while they are on strike? the list of 'demands' by the teachers shows their arrogance _________________________ "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1363194 - 09/10/12 10:44 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
bluezone bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 27009 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: SportsRef1 come on Bluezone.....their doing it for the kids! the teachers must be grumpy from those 2 months of paid summer vacation they get every year... _________________________ "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1363196 - 09/10/12 10:49 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
Rascal Rascal Gold Member Registered: 06/05/00 Posts: 17019 Loc: Brewerton, NY, USA	And I find it hard to go back to work on monday morning... Imagine how the poor teachers feel after 10 weeks off.
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#1363197 - 09/10/12 10:50 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: bluezone]
Cuzi Sedso Cuzi Sedso Senior Member Registered: 11/06/11 Posts: 1428 Loc: NY	Originally Posted By: bluezone the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure?
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#1363200 - 09/10/12 11:08 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
Teonan Teonan Senior Member Registered: 05/30/12 Posts: 1922 Loc: Gaia	Spot on. Bz cannot explain his reasoning -- for the obvious reasons you described. _________________________ LIBERTARIAN (noun) One who believes that oppression is best handled by the private sector.
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#1363202 - 09/10/12 11:25 AM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
Senior Member Registered: 01/16/12 Posts: 7644	Originally Posted By: Teonan Spot on. Bz cannot explain his reasoning -- for the obvious reasons you described. BZ, is like the rest of the country! BZ is sick and tired of throwing money drown a rat hole and not getting any payback.
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#1363207 - 09/10/12 12:18 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
cwjga cwjga Senior Member Registered: 11/06/08 Posts: 4688 Loc: NY	I love it when Democrats fight Democrats. Just waiting for them to blame it on Republicans. _________________________ "50 Shades of Red" CRNC
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#1363211 - 09/10/12 12:57 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
SportsRef1 SportsRef1 Senior Member Registered: 11/30/03 Posts: 2538 Loc: Seneca County	Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso Originally Posted By: bluezone the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure? the question is how do bloated wages and benefits result in higher student performance?......for example....NY leads the way in expenditures per student yet we are not #1 in America in everything that matters except for school taxes paid....your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one, that no longer has any footing except in the eyes of the teachers unions..... http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates_FINAL_20120209.pdf there's 129 pages...but all the info you need is there.
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#1363214 - 09/10/12 01:32 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: cwjga]
Senior Member Registered: 01/16/12 Posts: 7644	Originally Posted By: cwjga I love it when Democrats fight Democrats. Just waiting for them to blame it on Republicans. The teachers strike in Chicago is a snow job. Obama is going to step-in and smooth it out with the teachers and get them back to work. It will look like the teaches caved on their demands and Obama and the screwball Mayor won a battle. The whole thing is phoney, its a show to make Obama look like a hero.
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#1363215 - 09/10/12 01:49 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: SportsRef1]
Cuzi Sedso Cuzi Sedso Senior Member Registered: 11/06/11 Posts: 1428 Loc: NY	Originally Posted By: SportsRef1 Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso Originally Posted By: bluezone the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure? the question is how do bloated wages and benefits result in higher student performance?......for example....NY leads the way in expenditures per student yet we are not #1 in America in everything that matters except for school taxes paid....your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one, that no longer has any footing except in the eyes of the teachers unions..... http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates_FINAL_20120209.pdf there's 129 pages...but all the info you need is there. "your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one...." I'm not making that argument at all -- I'm just trying to get an answer to Bluezone's unsupported statement that "the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy." BZ has posited that the solution lies in cutting teacher pay and benefits. I'm simply asking for some supporting evidence for that outlandish proposition.
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#1363216 - 09/10/12 02:10 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
Zealot Zealot Senior Member Registered: 07/29/08 Posts: 2013 Loc: Yates	Pay is not the reason these teachers are on strike; they have already come to terms on that issue. One of the reasons that they are on strike is because of the districts requirement for a new teacher evaluation system whereby 40% of their evaluation will be linked to their students standardized test scores. The following link show that 79% of Chicago public school 8th graders are not proficient in reading while 80% of them are not proficient in math. in addition, more than half of CPS students don't graduate. Seems to me a better evaluation system is called for with these stats. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-depar...ficient-reading This data combined with the fact that these teachers are some of the highest paid teachers in the country, avg $76,000 annual salary. Obviously there is not link between teacher pay and teacher competence. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/ Edited by Zealot (09/10/12 02:13 PM) _________________________ "The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter" - unknown
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#1363217 - 09/10/12 02:32 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
Senior Member Registered: 01/16/12 Posts: 7644	Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso Originally Posted By: SportsRef1 Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso Originally Posted By: bluezone the chicago teachers wanted a 30% pay increase and now they are on strike let them all go and hire new ones with a less generous pay/benefits package the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. You just continue to blow hot air and offer no proof or documentation to support your specious reasoning, and come across as a grumpy, ignorant individual who didn't fare well in public school. Could it be that your unresolved anger against teachers is really due to your own failure? the question is how do bloated wages and benefits result in higher student performance?......for example....NY leads the way in expenditures per student yet we are not #1 in America in everything that matters except for school taxes paid....your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one, that no longer has any footing except in the eyes of the teachers unions..... http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates_FINAL_20120209.pdf there's 129 pages...but all the info you need is there. "your argument that if you spend more you get better results is an old one...." I'm not making that argument at all -- I'm just trying to get an answer to Bluezone's unsupported statement that "the reason the student performance is so low is the teachers are greedy." BZ has posited that the solution lies in cutting teacher pay and benefits. I'm simply asking for some supporting evidence for that outlandish proposition. Is someone suffering from some kind of narcissistic personality disorder?
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#1363218 - 09/10/12 03:10 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
Cuzi Sedso Cuzi Sedso Senior Member Registered: 11/06/11 Posts: 1428 Loc: NY	Yeah, I think his name is Harley
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#1363219 - 09/10/12 03:11 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
Rascal Rascal Gold Member Registered: 06/05/00 Posts: 17019 Loc: Brewerton, NY, USA	Yeah it's called GREED!
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#1363237 - 09/10/12 05:30 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Rascal]
bluezone bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 27009 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: Rascal And I find it hard to go back to work on monday morning... Imagine how the poor teachers feel after 10 weeks off. they will probably ask for a new contract with 2 more additional months of paid 'vacation' _________________________ "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1363238 - 09/10/12 05:33 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
bluezone bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 27009 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso You've never explained why lowering teacher pay and benefits will result in higher student performance. their pay and benefits far outpace the rest of those working a full 12 months so are the students performance getting better or worse? _________________________ "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1363239 - 09/10/12 05:38 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: Teonan]
bluezone bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 27009 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: Teonan Bz cannot explain his reasoning -- for the obvious reasons you described. the teachers wanted a 30% pay increase with job security they do not get both they should be thankful they even have a job with overly generous benefits (remember it is about the kids) a parent was interviewed and blamed the teachers as the teachers did not have to go on strike while they were still working out a deal _________________________ "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1363240 - 09/10/12 05:40 PM Re: ARROGANT TEACHERS [Re: ]
bluezone bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 27009 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus BZ, is like the rest of the country! BZ is sick and tired of throwing money drown a rat hole and not getting any payback. correct let all the teachers go there will be long lines to fill the jobs at lower pay/ benefits that will help the taxpayers _________________________ "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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