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#1352375 --- 07/09/12 09:42 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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you do not have that kind of money
sorry
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#1352376 --- 07/09/12 09:46 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
the Pickering Treaty?

post a copy of this treaty that you feel is valid

You're being ridiculous. Have a problem with the Canandaigua Treaty of 1794?


if you even read it and understood it you would be aware that it is the tribe that is in violation of the treaty that you speak so fond of

feel free to post a copy of the treaty
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#1352382 --- 07/09/12 10:01 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Serious stuff settler.
Have you tried a sit-in at your Congressperson's office?

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#1352387 --- 07/09/12 10:11 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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have you given your land back to the tribe yet?
settler
yawn...
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#1352510 --- 07/10/12 06:35 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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how do you occupy land that is not yours?
yawn...
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#1353106 --- 07/13/12 07:05 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Serious stuff settler.
Have you tried a sit-in at your Congressperson's office?



It was already tried..... It was supposed to be a HUGE protest at Mikey BOZOllio's office that was supposed to be covered by RNews and major newspapers.....the story was dumped! Only 13 people showed and they all hid behind their protest signs......and OF COURSE Kyle and Bluzone didn't even go!!!!
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#1353207 --- 07/13/12 03:45 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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So much for the UEC roadshow.
Back to the fort for coffee and doughnuts.
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#1353336 --- 07/14/12 12:31 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Yup....... the protest was a JOKE just like Paterson Day, The Trucker's Rally, and everything else chicken little(kyle) and Harold Camping (bluezone) have warned against!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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#1353593 --- 07/16/12 01:57 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

So much for the UEC roadshow.
Back to the fort for coffee and doughnuts.


Fifty Shades of Capitalism by Teonan

how is capitalism working for ya?

who is holding you back?

are you against equality?


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#1353594 --- 07/16/12 02:00 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Yup.......


did you read the newspaper?

Cayugas threaten to evict owners. By Scott Rapp. A Cayuga Indians' spokesman said Wednesday his nation will seek eviction of all 7,000 property owners in the Cayuga...
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#1354496 --- 07/20/12 02:39 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Newsroom You are here: EPA HomeNewsroom News Releases By Date EPA Awards $78,000 to the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe to
EPA Awards $78,000 to the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe to Support Its Water Quality Program
Release Date: 07/19/2012
Contact Information: Dave Bary or Jennah Durant at 214-665-2200 or r6press@epa.gov

(DALLAS July 19, 2012) The Environmental Protection Agency has awarded the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma $78,000 to provide continued support for the tribes water pollution control program. The funds will be used to take water samples on tribal lands and compile data which may show changes over time to determine if a more thorough watershed management program is needed. Sampling data will determine whether water quality standards are being met, note any changes in the quality or condition of the tribes water and provide planning tools to improve the function and health of stream ecosystems.

The mission of the EPA is to protect public health and the environment. The EPA supports our nations tribes in all aspects of the work needed to improve the water quality of tribal land watersheds. This cooperative spirit supports work to protect water quality that ensures the health of watersheds that cross state and tribal boundaries.


Additional Information on EPA grants is available at http://www.epa.gov/region6/gandf/index.htm

More about activities in EPA Region 6 is available at http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/region6.html


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#1356251 --- 07/30/12 06:51 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Yup.......


did you read the newspaper?

Cayugas threaten to evict owners. By Scott Rapp. A Cayuga Indians' spokesman said Wednesday his nation will seek eviction of all 7,000 property owners in the Cayuga...


bet it would be different if you got evicted by the tribe
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#1356298 --- 07/30/12 10:37 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
why not upgrade the existing Racinos to Vegas Style.
Because NEW casino backers would pay him off in campaign funds and pocket money. Remember, Mario is his advisor. Genting has already proposed a $4 Billion casino near NYC. The racinos don't have that kind of money.


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#1356299 --- 07/30/12 10:42 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
If Prince Andrew and his Goons were really interested in taking business away from the Natives like they claim
WHEN DID THEY EVER CLAIM THAT ??? Link?

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#1356301 --- 07/30/12 11:45 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
As far as your ruling, it has NEVER been enforced so it is USELESS!
That ruling has been used and enforced dozens of times throughout the country since it was made and presently the State is just waiting for the Second Circuit to accept an en banc hearing. The last ruling from the Second Circuit was that it is strictly a matter of State tax law. But waiting for the Second Circuit is like having constipation. They sat on the case for over a year before they ruled against the counties based on sovereign immunity and SCOTUS snatched up the appeal immediately. But SCOTUS passed the ball back because the Oneida got scared that SCOTUS would rescind their sovereign immunity. There is no law granting such, but was made common law based on a court ruling which could be overturned.

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#1356302 --- 07/30/12 11:49 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
No reason to rescind the treaties. The native americans go to court to get more money every so often bassed on the fact the treaties were never ratified.
HAH - that's funny! Which treaty, what court?

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#1356303 --- 07/31/12 12:04 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Canandaigua Treaty of 1794, one of the first treaties the United States entered into. Also known as the Pickering Treaty, between the Haudenosaunee (Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy) and the United States of America.

Dream on Bz, the treaty is still actively recognized by the United States and the nations of the Haudenosaunee confederacy.
OBVIOUSLY you have not read that treaty!

One: It was one of the first treaties between the Haudenosaunee (Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy) and the United States of America. But the Six Nations government no longer exists or functions as a government. Some of them may get together and smoke some rope or have a few bewskies, but that is pretty much it.

Two: In regard to the Cayuga and Oneida all it did was rule the prior State treaties as valid.

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#1356304 --- 07/31/12 12:16 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Not nearly as funny as SCLO's Wisner Kinne's
"They worship corn and beans, we worship the Creator"
white-supremacy rants.
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#1356305 --- 07/31/12 12:17 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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1794 Treaty of Canandaigua
From CERA web page http://www.citizensalliance.org/ links – go to Major Issues, scroll down to Treaty Issues. Click in the appropriate letter & tribe for treaties pertaining.
INDIAN AFFAIRS: LAWS AND TREATIES
Vol. II, Treaties
Compiled and edited by Charles J. Kappler Washington: Government Printing Office, 1904.
TREATY WITH THE SIX NATIONS, 1794.
Nov. 11, 1794. | 7 Stat., 44. | Proclamation, Jan. 21, 1795.
A Treaty between the United States of America, and the Tribes of Indians called the Six Nations.
The President of the United States having determined to hold a conference with the Six Nations of Indians, for the purpose of removing from their minds all causes of complaint, and establishing a firm and permanent friendship with them; and Timothy Pickering being appointed sole agent for that purpose; and the agent having met and conferred with the Sachems, Chiefs and Warriors of the Six Nations, in a general council: Now, in order to accomplish the good design of this conference, the parties have agreed on the following articles; which, when ratified by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate of the United States, shall be binding on them and the Six Nations.
ARTICLE 1.
Peace and friendship are hereby firmly established, and shall be perpetual, between the United States and the Six Nations.
ARTICLE 2.
The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga and Cayuga Nations, in their respective treaties with the state of New-York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends residing thereon and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof: but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase.
ARTICLE 3.
The land of the Seneka nation is bounded as follows: Beginning on Lake Ontario, at the north-west corner of the land they sold to Oliver Phelps, the line runs westerly along the lake, as far as O-yōng-wong-yeh Creek, at Johnson's Landing-place, about four miles eastward from the fort of Niagara; then southerly up that creek to its main fork, then straight to the main fork of Stedman's creek, which empties into the river Niagara, above fort Schlosser, and then onward, from that fork, continuing the same straight course, to that river; (this line, from the mouth of O-yōng-wong-yeh Creek to the river Niagara, above fort Schlosser, being the eastern boundary of a strip of land, extending from the same line to Niagara river, which the Seneka nation ceded to the King of Great-Britain, at a treaty held about thirty years ago, with Sir William Johnson;) then the line runs along the river Niagara to Lake Erie; then along Lake Erie to the north-east corner of a triangular piece of land which the United States conveyed to the state of Pennsylvania, as by the President's patent, dated the third day of March, 1792; then due south to the northern boundary of that state; then due east to the south-west corner of the land sold by the Seneka nation to Oliver Phelps; and then north and northerly, along Phelps's line, to the place of beginning on Lake Ontario. Now, the United States acknowledge all the land within the aforementioned boundaries, to be the property of the Seneka nation; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb the Seneka nation, nor any of the Six Nations, or of their Indian friends residing thereon and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof: but it shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase.
ARTICLE 4.
The United States having thus described and acknowledged what lands belong to the Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senekas, and engaged never to claim the same, nor to disturb them, or any of the Six Nations, or their Indian friends residing thereon and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof: Now, the Six Nations, and each of them, hereby engage that they will never claim any other lands within the boundaries of the United States; nor ever disturb the people of the United States in the free use and enjoyment thereof.
ARTICLE 5.
The Seneka nation, all others of the Six Nations concurring, cede to the United States the right of making a wagon road from Fort Schlosser to Lake Erie, as far south as Buffaloe Creek; and the people of the United States shall have the free and undisturbed use of this road, for the purposes of travelling and transportation. And the Six Nations, and each of them, will forever allow to the people of the United States, a free passage through their lands, and the free use of the harbors and rivers adjoining and within their respective tracts of land, for the passing and securing of vessels and boats, and liberty to land their cargoes where necessary for their safety.
ARTICLE 6.
In consideration of the peace and friendship hereby established, and of the engagements entered into by the Six Nations; and because the United States desire, with humanity and kindness, to contribute to their comfortable support; and to render the peace and friendship hereby established, strong and perpetual; the United States now deliver to the Six Nations, and the Indians of the other nations residing among and united with them, a quantity of goods of the value of ten thousand dollars. And for the same considerations, and with a view to promote the future welfare of the Six Nations, and of their Indian friends aforesaid, the United States will add the sum of three thousand dollars to the one thousand five hundred dollars, heretofore allowed them by an article ratified by the President, on the twenty-third day of April, 1792;amaking in the whole, four thousand five hundred dollars; which shall be expended yearly forever, in purchasing clothing, domestic animals, implements of husbandry, and other utensils suited to their circumstances, and in compensating useful artificers, who shall reside with or near them, and be employed for their benefit. The immediate application of the whole annual allowance now stipulated, to be made by the superintendent appointed by the President for the affairs of the Six Nations, and their Indian friends aforesaid.
ARTICLE 7.
Lest the firm peace and friendship now established should be interrupted by the misconduct of individuals, the United States and Six Nations agree, that for injuries done by individuals on either side, no private revenge or retaliation shall take place; but, instead thereof, complaint shall be made by the party injured, to the other: By the Six Nations or any of them, to the President of the United States, or the Superintendent by him appointed: and by the Superintendent, or other person appointed by the President, to the principal chiefs of the Six Nations, or of the nation to which the offender belongs: and such prudent measures shall then be pursued as shall be necessary to preserve our peace and friendship unbroken; until the legislature (or great council) of the United States shall make other equitable provision for the purpose.
NOTE. It is clearly understood by the parties to this treaty, that the annuity stipulated in the sixth article, is to be applied to the benefit of such of the Six Nations and of their Indian friends united with them as aforesaid, as do or shall reside within the boundaries of the United States: For the United States do not interfere with nations, tribes or families, of Indians elsewhere resident.
In witness whereof, the said Timothy Pickering, and the sachems and war chiefs of the said Six Nations, have hereto set their hands and seals.
Done at Konondaigua, in the State of New York, the eleventh day of November, in the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety-four.
Timothy Pickering, [L. S.]
Onoyeahnee, his x mark, [L. S.]
Konneatorteeooh, his x mark, or Handsome Lake, [L. S.]
Tokenhyouhau, his x mark, alias Captain Key, [L. S.]
Oneshauee, his x mark, [L. S.]
Hendrick Aupaumut, [L. S.]
David Neesoonhuk, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kanatsoyh, alias Nicholas Kusik, [L. S.]
Sohhonteoquent, his x mark, [L. S.]
Ooduhtsait, his x mark, [L. S.]
Konoohqung, his x mark, [L. S.]
Tossonggaulolus, his x mark, [L. S.]
John Skenendoa, his x mark, [L. S.]
Oneatorleeooh, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kussauwatau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Eyootenyootauook, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kohnyeaugong, his x mark, alias Jake Stroud, [L. S.]
Shaguiesa, his x mark, [L. S.]
Teeroos, his x mark, alias Captain Prantup, [L. S.]
Sooshaoowau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Henry Young Brant, his x mark, [L. S.]
Sonhyoowauna, his x mark, or Big Sky, [L. S.]
Onaahhah, his x mark, [L. S.]
Hotoshahenh, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kaukondanaiya, his x mark, [L. S.]
Nondiyauka, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kossishtowau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Oojaugenta, his x mark, or Fish Carrier, [L. S.]
Toheonggo, his x mark, [L. S.]
Ootaguasso, his x mark, [L. S.]
Joonondauwaonch, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kiyauhaonh, his x mark, [L. S.]
Ootaujeaugenh, his x mark, or Broken Axe, [L. S.]
Tauhoondos, his x mark, or Open the Way, [L. S.]
Twaukewasha, his x mark, [L. S.]
Sequidongquee, his x mark, alias Little Beard, [L. S.]
Kodjeote, his x mark, or Half Town, [L. S.]
Kenjauaugus, his x mark, or Stinking Fish, [L. S.]
Soonohquaukau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Twenniyana, his x mark, [L. S.]
Jishkaaga, his x mark, or Green Grasshopper, alias Little Billy, [L. S.]
Tuggehshotta, his x mark, [L. S.]
Tehongyagauna, his x mark, [L. S.]
Tehongyoowush, his x mark, [L. S.]
Konneyoowesot, his x mark, [L. S.]
Tioohquottakauna, his x mark, or Woods on Fire, [L. S.]
Taoundaudeesh, his x mark, [L. S.]
Honayawus, his x mark, alias Farmer's Brother, [L. S.]
Soggooyawauthau, his x mark, alias Red Jacket, [L. S.]
Konyootiayoo, his x mark, [L. S.]
Sauhtakaongyees, his x mark, or Two Skies of a length, [L. S.]
Ounnashattakau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kaungyanehquee, his x mark, [L. S.]
Sooayoowau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kaujeagaonh, his x mark, or Heap of Dogs, [L. S.]
Soonoohshoowau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Thaoowaunias, his x mark, [L. S.]
Soonongjoowau, his x mark, [L. S.]
Kiantwhauka, his x mark, alias Cornplanter, [L. S.]
Kaunehshonggoo, his x mark, [L. S.]
Witnesses:
Israel Chapin.
William Shepard, jr.
James Smedley.
John Wickham.
Augustus Porter.
James K. Garnsey.
William Ewing.
Israel Chapin, jr.
Horatio Jones,
Joseph Smith,
Jasper Parish,
Interpreters.
Henry Abeele.

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#1356309 --- 07/31/12 12:55 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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The Confederacy does not exist?

Try that line on the chiefs and clan mothers during the next Grand Council at Onondaga.
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