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#1351440 - 07/01/12 10:33 AM WELFARE ABUSE!
oneonone Offline
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With so many on welfare, food stamps, medicaid isn't it about time we do something about the abusers. Why would alot NOT ALL those in the system even try to get off it. I see so many low lifes completely using whatever program they can get on yet they still have money for cigarettes, fancy clothes, Iphones, you name it. These abusers are often supplemented by under the table jobs, and/or a significant other who lives with them and makes a decent wage. Where, when and how do we stop this. I am all for those who truly are in a unfortunate situation to receive help but I am talking of the regulars, the users! It makes my blood boil! I have heard people actually admit "well I'll have another baby", "I am not going to take a job for minimum wage", I even see people who actually calculate how much money they can make so they will continue to get aid!
Why should we help people who clearly do NOT want to help themselves? Oh and lets now throw in a computer, cell phone and high speed internet for these people also! How about those people who ARE working but struggling to get by.... NO no help for them THEY make too much money.... This is crazy! Then we wonder why society is falling apart before our eyes!!!

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#1351443 - 07/01/12 10:47 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: oneonone]
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First, I would place blame on the fact that there aren't enough jobs that pay a livable wage. There are many people on public assistance that would be worse off if they worked, due to the fact that their wages would not be any more than their assistance.

I think the same can apply to some of the people that collect unemployment. Many of them are referred to as lazy because they collect their unemployment checks instead of working a job. However, there is little incentive to work a job if it is going to earn you equal or less money than your assistance/unemployment.

There is abuse of the system and there always will be. People are always going to try to take advantage of anything they can to get ahead. But I also think it is perpetuated because it is by design. At some point the People will get fed up and demand that these services be discontinued. The government would be happy to oblige, but don't think that if they discontinued the programs that you would see a decrease in the taxes you pay. The government would simply take the funds that used to go to public assistance and allocate them elsewhere; most likely into pork barrel programs.

If people had real opportunities to work a real job with real wages, to live a real life, there wouldn't be so many people applying for these assistance programs. That will never happen because the government would rather spend billions on bombs.

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#1351456 - 07/01/12 02:36 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
First, I would place blame on the fact that there aren't enough jobs that pay a livable wage. There are many people on public assistance that would be worse off if they worked, due to the fact that their wages would not be any more than their assistance.

I think the same can apply to some of the people that collect unemployment. Many of them are referred to as lazy because they collect their unemployment checks instead of working a job. However, there is little incentive to work a job if it is going to earn you equal or less money than your assistance/unemployment.

There is abuse of the system and there always will be. People are always going to try to take advantage of anything they can to get ahead. But I also think it is perpetuated because it is by design. At some point the People will get fed up and demand that these services be discontinued. The government would be happy to oblige, but don't think that if they discontinued the programs that you would see a decrease in the taxes you pay. The government would simply take the funds that used to go to public assistance and allocate them elsewhere; most likely into pork barrel programs.

If people had real opportunities to work a real job with real wages, to live a real life, there wouldn't be so many people applying for these assistance programs. That will never happen because the government would rather spend billions on bombs.


I would think DIGNITY would be important enough that one would do whatever they had to to stay or get off the system, BUT DOESN'T seem to be the case with alot of them. Certainly when you have a significant other living with you making good wages there is NO reason that they should receive benefits! Its called fraud!

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#1351601 - 07/02/12 06:55 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: oneonone]
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I know of one person who I lived with for almost 20 years and he never held a job longer than 3 months... Burned a lot of bridges during that time - I worked OT, DOUBLE TIME and my kids today keep reminding me once in a while how I wasn't around because I was always working. THE BIG HUMDINGER on this - I left him and they threatened him to pay child support - by threats of jail or no drivers license (never was punished) but THEN AND ONLY THEN he felt he needed to get a job... He goes to work for not even TWO WEEKS... "Oh MY BACK!" After two years and a back surgery he was awarded THOUSANDS of dollars from comp while they paid his way through all that. He now owns a brand new 2012 pick up truck and a couple other new toys... I yet to see any child support... Yes - I'm not happy for those abusers to take money from the ones who really NEED IT! This world is coming to all laziness is accepted and BLUECOLLAR is considered rare. Look in the grocery stores... You can now buy food all cut up for you packaged and ready to cook... UGH!
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#1351602 - 07/02/12 06:59 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: windywendy]
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I hope I never need compensation - they will be out of funds for paying all those who caught onto how WORKING the systems really works
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#1351606 - 07/02/12 07:32 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: windywendy]
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Originally Posted By: windywendy
I know of one person who I lived with for almost 20 years and he never held a job longer than 3 months... Burned a lot of bridges during that time - I worked OT, DOUBLE TIME and my kids today keep reminding me once in a while how I wasn't around because I was always working. THE BIG HUMDINGER on this - I left him and they threatened him to pay child support - by threats of jail or no drivers license (never was punished) but THEN AND ONLY THEN he felt he needed to get a job... He goes to work for not even TWO WEEKS... "Oh MY BACK!" After two years and a back surgery he was awarded THOUSANDS of dollars from comp while they paid his way through all that. He now owns a brand new 2012 pick up truck and a couple other new toys... I yet to see any child support... Yes - I'm not happy for those abusers to take money from the ones who really NEED IT! This world is coming to all laziness is accepted and BLUECOLLAR is considered rare. Look in the grocery stores... You can now buy food all cut up for you packaged and ready to cook... UGH!


I certainly hope you recovered the child support due to you. If you had a court ordered support you should have gotten it from his compensation!

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#1351614 - 07/02/12 08:42 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: oneonone]
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Gosh, thank goodness my ex and I had a very agreeable, friendly divorce. The attorney we had commented how we wished all of his divorce cases were like ours. No visitation battles, it's all open and no child support issues, we both do things for our kids and pay what we can afford, and they do pretty darn well. Thank God we did it this way, because I would hate to see my kids in the middle of parent battles constantly. It so brings the children down and has them look at the other parent as a bad parent and learning to be judgemental and holding grudges and unfortunately it should not be that way. I hear so many times women going on about their ex's and everything bad about them and all the money they owe them and there's their kid between the both of them standing right there listening to it all. Pretty sad, considering the woman once loved that man to have a child with him. Or at least liked him at the time. Oh and I'm not a man, I'm a woman of some amazing children and on my second marriage.
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#1351670 - 07/03/12 07:53 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: Dizzyt]
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Oneonone - I was getting it from comp - until they settled with him... He was all caught up on it too... Now he's behind again like his normal - he pays no mind to any responsibilities.

Dizzyt - Just to clarify any of your allegations - I don't bad talk his dad IN FRONT of my child nor did I have a nasty divorce. After almost 20 years it was almost mutual - but his immaturity and neglect stands in the way of him getting any visitation with his child... Nothing to do with me at all... He's a felon (after the divorce) and has to have supervised visits... I was mature enough not to walk away from the marriage and try to work things out for my babies - and unfortunately it wasn't working... LUCKY YOU to be able to UNLOVE someone so easy! I was just trying to show and prove a point (which happened after my divorce) Oneonone was starting this thread about fraudulent people... In my situation with my ex it's MOSTLY obvious how he's worked the system since he has no work history but still can consume all that money and drive a brand new vehicle, etc.... Gosh some people get off the beatin path being all up on themselves with their drama!
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#1351786 - 07/03/12 09:04 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: windywendy]
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I never made allegations against you. I was stating a simple fact that I see so often amongst my own family and friends and their divorces/relationships. How can I accuse you of something when I don't even know you personally or your situation, nor did I need an explanation. Again, I was just simply saying how most divorces turn so ugly and in the end the kid's end up suffering. Keeping the lines of communication open between two people is usually the best way to deal with things. I'm sorry about your relationship - sounds as though he went a bit on the rebellious side of having freedom and relived his younger years over. Happens so often, especially with people that get married when they're pretty young, like me for instance, I was 20 and married my high school sweetheart I had been with since I was 14. I got my wild streak when I was 36 and thought I was 21 all over again and free, as the first time I wasn't. Well, good luck to you hon and to all the women/men going through this. I wish you well and know you're not alone \:\)
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#1351789 - 07/03/12 09:16 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: Dizzyt]
windywendy Offline
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BIG LIKE!
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#1382463 - 01/14/13 04:57 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: windywendy]
GBlaire Offline
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A lazy welfare Mom living the good life, claiming more than she is entitled to? After all, we all know that welfare fraud is rampant, right? Not everybody is a fan of welfare existing, or food stamps or public assistance of any kind, though. Be that as it may, welfare advocates are not having their trigger helped by the rash of welfare card withdrawals at places like casinos, strip clubs and bars over the years. Legislation is trying to suppress it, but the practice is still happening. I see a lot of people takes payday loan instead to pay for their expenses rather than going on welfare though they are genuinely in dire need.

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#1383463 - 01/19/13 11:39 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: oneonone]
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welfare abuse maybe everyone should look into the parents that are abuseing there kids ssi and still get help from the county to baby set there kids pay there utilities and drive around in there fancy suv just say n more than just one pot to look at and ladies srry but sometimes better things are ahead

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#1394104 - 03/27/13 02:45 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: country boy]
lonelygirl Offline
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Exactly! I will agree with you. Well, New York post finds welfare card withdrawals still going on at strip clubs. Parents should take good care a lot to their kids. Besides, not everybody is a fan of welfare existing, or food stamps or public assistance of any kind. Be that as it may, welfare advocates are not having their trigger helped by the rash of welfare card withdrawals at places like casinos, strip clubs and bars over the years. Legislation is trying to suppress it, but the practice is still happening.

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#1394225 - 03/27/13 05:58 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
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[quote=MeRightYouWrong]First, I would place blame on the fact that there aren't enough jobs that pay a livable wage. There are many people on public assistance that would be worse off if they worked, due to the fact that their wages would not be any more than their assistance.

I think the same can apply to some of the people that collect unemployment. Many of them are referred to as lazy because they collect their unemployment checks instead of working a job. However, there is little incentive to work a job if it is going to earn you equal or less money than your assistance/unemployment.

There is abuse of the system and there always will be. People are always going to try to take advantage of anything they can to get ahead. But I also think it is perpetuated because it is by design. At some point the People will get fed up and demand that these services be discontinued. The government would be happy to oblige, but don't think that if they discontinued the programs that you would see a decrease in the taxes you pay. The government would simply take the funds that used to go to public assistance and allocate them elsewhere; most likely into pork barrel programs.

If people had real opportunities to work a real job with real wages, to live a real life, there wouldn't be so many people applying for these assistance programs. That will never happen because the government would rather spend billions on bombs. [/quote]

How true. They do make more with these programs than if they worked. I know a few that claim the fact that they have more money than if they worked. The rich are pushing people into these programs. Rich just keep getting richer and the midle class pays for these programs not the rich.
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#1394317 - 03/28/13 12:40 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: I did it!]
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It's a sad fact. There's a nice, simple, enraging graph here:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic..._from_taxpayers

It's official. Taxpayers are no longer simply helping the poor, they're subsidizing the lives of welfare recipients at a better rate than their own. The Senate Budget Committee has released a report showing households living below the poverty line and receiving welfare payments are raking in the equivalent of $168 per day in benefits which come in the form of food stamps, housing, childcare, healthcare and more. The median household income in 2011 was $50,054, totaling $137.13 per day. The worst part? Welfare payments are equivalent to making $30 per hour for 40 hours a week. The median wage for non-welfare recipients is $25 per hour but because they pay taxes, unlike welfare recipients, the wage is bumped down to $21 per hour. From the report:

For fiscal year 2011, CRS identified roughly 80 overlapping federal means-tested welfare programs that together represented the single largest budget item in 2011—more than the nation spends on Social Security, Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these federal programs, when taken together with approximately $280 billion in state contributions, amounted to roughly $1 trillion. Nearly 95 percent of these costs come from four categories of spending: medical assistance, cash assistance, food assistance, and social / housing assistance. Under the President’s FY13 budget proposal, means-tested spending would increase an additional 30 percent over the next four years.



By all means Mr. President, let's raise taxes on people already paying the majority of the taxes because clearly they aren't "paying their fair share" to subsize the lives of others already.

UPDATE: The report does not say that every household receiving welfare benefits totals $168 but specifically refers to those receiving benefits and living below the poverty line. Also, it should be pointed out the $168 includes all costs incurred by the federal government to deliver benefits, including administrative costs.
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#1394401 - 03/28/13 01:57 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: VM Smith]
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If this country had jobs then living below the poverty line
wouldn't be happening. Fine the big corps that out sorce their work to anther country just so they keep getting richer by the minute. Let the rich be taxed. After all they are the ones living high on the hog.
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#1395802 - 04/06/13 01:27 AM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: oneonone]
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Hear Hear!!!!!!!!
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#1395871 - 04/06/13 09:03 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: I did it!]
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There are jobs being filled by illegal immigrants every day because they work faster and cheaper than citizens. We as a country have elected a president again who wants to give citizen rights (albeit to probably gain voters for his party). More than once I have heard the comments that "I won't get paid what I am worth" or " I can make more not working". It really is a problem with ambition and pride. And that point can't be argued. When you see help wanted signs up in town or in the paper for weeks on end going unfilled, you really can't say anything other than its a problem with the clientele more than the system.

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#1395881 - 04/06/13 09:49 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: py.eternal.cynic]
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Stupid question of mine. But dumber if I don't ask.
"Can illegal immigrants vote in our country?"
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#1395892 - 04/06/13 11:29 PM Re: WELFARE ABUSE! [Re: I did it!]
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There is a movement in many states to either grant amnesty or citizenship to the many "productive,tax paying" illegals already in this country.

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