does this mean the teens 13 yrs of age also from ? where ever?
They need to be put into a home with their babies and both attend some education together. Never to young or old to learn.
Make the fathers pay support,force them to hold a job of some sort. They made the choice let them pay the bills also,nothing is free.

So donn't call it merit pay. Call it paying good teachers what they are worth. Not sure why the unions will not support their good teachers?

you found the number of special ones

now find the number of not so special ones

just eliminate the poor performing teachers

so tell us how much per month does one without a teachers pension need to set aside each month to have $425,000 after 30 years of employment?

You're the one who's obsessed with this idea, BZ, so go find it yourself. My bet is that you're whining about this because it doesn't apply to you. Again, if it bothers you that much, get off your butt and start lobbying your state representatives to change the law.

OMG You owe me a new laptop---flying Red Bull injected deep into the keyboard may cause irreversible damage!
I just may make that pic my new avatar!

So don't call it merit pay. Call it paying good teachers what they are worth. Not sure why the unions will not support their good teachers?

Just wondering?

sweet Lord do the math. "so tell us how much per month does one without a teachers pension need to set aside each month to have $425,000 after 30 years of employment?
Try dividing $425,000. by 30 and I`m sure the answer will pop right up at you. Bet you`ll get 14166.6666667 you most likely do not clear 14 grand to be able to save it? So do not worry just move on. What you done complaining about us American Indians for a change? GET A JOB

What? I asked Twocats why Unions will not support good teachers getting higher salaries.
What has that got to do with pensions and american indians?

...and what percentage of NY workers are in this 'special' group?
20%, 40%, 60%, 80%...? [/quote]I don't know, but then I'm not the one whining about this. If you're that concerned, get off your butt, do some homework to see if you have a supportable case, then start contacting your representatives and lobby for a change... easier to just sit around and whine about it on the internet?

Overall membership in NYSLRS (New York State and Local Retirement System): 1,057,754
672,723 members (active or vested)
385,031 retirees and beneficiaries
94% are members of ERS; 6% are members of PFRS (police and firemen)
Average Pensions:
Average pension for all ERS retirees in FY 2011: $19,151 (over generous?)
Average pension for all PFRS retirees in FY 2011: $40,932

NYSTRS (Teachers)pensions in 2010:
The average for all retirees was $38,924. The average pension for educators retiring in 2010 was $52,270 (includes administrators).
Note - $38,924 not the $60,000 Gilbert Gottfried keeps pulling from his blue butt.

Most of which is put back into the NYS economy and not an offshore bank account as some would lead you to believe. LOL

and how much of that did you pay into?

$52,270 x 25 (years retirement) = $1,306,750 (99.99999% taxpayer funded)

just convert to a 401k like everyone else

no sweety as you are the one that said it was a large number but then backtracked

your posts below

was he a teacher?

pot meet kettle...

they have far more underperforming ones

$52,270 x 25 (years retirement) = $1,306,750 (99.99999% taxpayer funded)

Nice job bluenose! I think we have a break through in your illogical half truth and preconceived notions. I am only responding to you because you finally have admitted you are wrong.

Now Re 99.99999% - here are some words for you to look up - investment, interest, collective pool
Keep studying I know you can figure this out eventually. You are showing potential.

and how much of that did you pay in?

should be simple unless you want to hide the facts...

I have said all along your pensions are overly generous and you just proved it

how much of your overly generous $1 million+ pension did you pay in?

did you forget 'teacher contribution'?

tell us how a $1,500 yearly 'contribution' for ten years by a teacher can grow to be a $1.3 million+ pension?

even madoff was not that good