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#1356934 --- 08/02/12 10:12 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Teonan]
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#1357039 --- 08/03/12 01:42 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
"...real world works"?


seems you do not understand
keep trying tho

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#1357040 --- 08/03/12 01:44 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
twocats has probably experienced and forgotten more 'real world' issues than you have ever even known.


15 years as a 'teacher'
those who can do...
you know the rest

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#1357042 --- 08/03/12 01:48 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Blowzone only acts up once or twice a day when his meds are overdue.

where are your facts?

Seems he's jealous of your late nights.


seems not
were you on here at 4am?

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#1357043 --- 08/03/12 01:49 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
If he knew the reason I was up - he'd be seriously jealous. ;\)



wrong again
you waiting for a call from romney for the vp position?

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#1357157 --- 08/04/12 02:26 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: twocats]
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Quote:
Pity poor teachers who have to retire on $62K

By Greg David
January 30, 2011
In Crain's last week, the president of the United Federation of Teachers defended his members' pensions—which average $42,000 a year—with passion and a shot at Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

First, average teachers aren't living on $42,000 a year. If they are over 62, they will most likely receive Social Security benefits of about $20,000. If they wait until 66, they'll get $24,000. Additionally, they don't pay state or local income taxes on their pension. That's worth another 5% to 10%. So the “average'' teacher's real retirement income is probably north of $60,000.

Second, teachers are much better off than the average retiree in the private sector, where the average pension is $16,082 a year, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute. The average retirement income of people 65 and older is another eye-opening amount: $28,778. The figures could be a little higher in New York, but not by much.

Of course, most private-sector employees don't have guaranteed pensions. They retire on their 401(k) or IRA savings. So what amount would be needed to produce $42,000 from an annuity? About $425,000, according to a calculator at Bankrate.com. And the average 401(k) account balance at Fidelity Investments for people 55 and over is about half that amount, or $243,000.

Third, average teachers have retiree health coverage. This insurance is enormously valuable before they qualify for Medicare at age 65 and then covers all the costs Medicare does not. That's worth a pretty penny, too.

To fund the pensions his members get, Mr. Mulgrew and his fellow union leaders support policies that have given New York a local and state tax burden that is the nation's highest or second-highest, depending on which year is being tallied.



so tell us twocats why are you so special that you do not have to pay taxes on your pension income like everyone else?





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#1357163 --- 08/04/12 03:03 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: bluezone]
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twocats isn't special, BZ. Under NY state tax law, pension income is not taxable in NY if it is paid from New York State or local government or the federal government, including Social Security benefits. Those pensions are subject to Federal income tax, however. Non-government pensions are not subject to state income tax on the first $20K of pension.

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#1357184 --- 08/04/12 06:42 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
twocats isn't special, BZ. Under NY state tax law, pension income is not taxable in NY if it is paid from New York State or local government or the federal government, including Social Security benefits. Those pensions are subject to Federal income tax, however. Non-government pensions are not subject to state income tax on the first $20K of pension.


So NY state pensions are not taxable, but non-government pensions are after the first $20000. So BZ is right, Twocats is special?

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#1357213 --- 08/04/12 10:04 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: cwjga]
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Yeah, if by "special" you mean one of the thousands of retired county employees, retired Federal employees, retired NY state employees, et. al. Or maybe you mean they're all "special" (though that seems to be an awfully large group to be considered special). Or is it that BZ (and you?) envies those in that group?

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#1357219 --- 08/04/12 10:48 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Or is it that BZ (and you?) envies those in that group?

DING!... DING!...DING! I think we have a winner!
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#1357279 --- 08/05/12 02:48 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
twocats isn't special, BZ. Under NY state tax law, pension income is not taxable in NY if it is paid from New York State or local government or the federal government, including Social Security benefits. Non-government pensions are not subject to state income tax on the first $20K of pension.


Special
Not Special

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#1357280 --- 08/05/12 02:51 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: bluezone]
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So tell it to your state representatives and start lobbying for a change to the tax laws. Or is it easier to just sit around and whine about it on the internet?

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#1357281 --- 08/05/12 02:51 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
So BZ is right, Twocats is special?



cut the teachers pay, convert to 401k and make them pay more for their healthcare

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#1357282 --- 08/05/12 02:54 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Yeah, if by "special" you mean one of the thousands of retired county employees, retired Federal employees, retired NY state employees, et. al. Or maybe you mean they're all "special" (though that seems to be an awfully large group to be considered special).


just think how much lower the taxes would be if all paid their fair sahre?

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#1357283 --- 08/05/12 02:58 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Yeah, if by "special" you mean one of the thousands of retired county employees, retired Federal employees, retired NY state employees, et. al. Or maybe you mean they're all "special" (though that seems to be an awfully large group to be considered special).


and what percentage of NY workers are in this 'special' group?
20%, 40%, 60%, 80%...?

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#1357288 --- 08/05/12 03:35 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Yeah, if by "special" you mean one of the thousands of retired county employees, retired Federal employees, retired NY state employees, et. al. Or maybe you mean they're all "special" (though that seems to be an awfully large group to be considered special).


and what percentage of NY workers are in this 'special' group?
20%, 40%, 60%, 80%...?
I don't know, but then I'm not the one whining about this. If you're that concerned, get off your butt, do some homework to see if you have a supportable case, then start contacting your representatives and lobby for a change. Or is it easier to just sit around and whine about it on the internet?

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#1357318 --- 08/05/12 09:17 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
(though that seems to be an awfully large group to be considered special).


I don't know,


then how do you know it is an awfully large group if you do not know the percentage?

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#1357323 --- 08/05/12 10:06 PM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: bluezone]
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Well, BZ, considering the size of NYS and the number of cities, villages, towns, and counties, not to mention school districts, I just guessed that the total number of state and local government employees would be quite large. A 5 second search gave me a number of over 360,000 retired state and local employees. I'd say that's a large group, wouldn't you? And don't forget to add all the retired Federal employees to that number. Stop whining. Or as I said earlier, get off your butt, do some homework to see if you have a supportable case, then start contacting your representatives and lobby for a change. Or is it easier to just sit around and whine about it on the internet?

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#1357334 --- 08/06/12 01:12 AM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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One popular movement believes merit pay would improve education. Here's a short post by Dianne Ravitch on merit pay:

One Reason Why Merit Pay Fails
August 5, 2012 //
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The assumption behind merit pay is that teachers are not trying hard enough.

The assumption is that a cash bonus will make them care and prod them to work harder and get those test scores up.

For 100 years, school boards at the state and local level have tried merit pay and it has always failed to produce higher test scores.

There are many reasons for this.

One is that merit pay is intrinsically insulting. It presumes that it takes a cash prize to incentivize lazy teachers.

But when there are two groups, one offered merit pay, the other not, they seem to get the same results.

That’s because the teachers in both groups are doing the best they can to get their students to learn.

As one teacher commented today:

Yup, once I’m eligible for merit pay I’ll bring out my really good lesson plans, until then, they’re staying in my desk!
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#1357522 --- 08/07/12 03:40 AM Re: Yeahhh...Let's Privatize It [Re: twocats]
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Good ole charters:

Get Tested Or Get Out: School Forces Pregnancy Tests on Girls, Kicks out Students Who Refuse or are Pregnant
By Tiseme Zegeye, ACLU Women's Rights Project at 12:33pm
In a Louisiana public school, female students who are suspected of being pregnant are told that they must take a pregnancy test. Under school policy, those who are pregnant or refuse to take the test are kicked out and forced to undergo home schooling.

Welcome to Delhi Charter School, in Delhi, Louisiana, a school of 600 students that does not believe its female students have a right to education free from discrimination. According to its Student Pregnancy Policy, the school has a right to not only force testing upon girls, but to send them to a physician of the school administration’s choice. A positive test result, or failure to take the test at all, means administrators can forbid a girl from taking classes and force her to pursue a course of home study if she wishes to continue her education with the school.

This is in blatant violation of federal law and the U.S. Constitution.

Today, the ACLU of Louisiana and the ACLU Women’s Rights Project asked Delhi Charter School to immediately suspend this discriminatory and illegal policy.

The policy’s complete disregard for Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in federally funded education programs and activities, is astonishing. Title IX and its regulations explicitly mandate that schools cannot exclude any student from an education program or activity, “including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student’s pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom.”

Besides violating Title IX, the policy is also in violation of the Constitution’s due process right to procreate, and equal protection: it treats female students differently from male students and relies on archaic stereotypes linked to sex and pregnancy.

Approximately 70 percent of teen girls who give birth leave school, due in part to illegal discrimination. Schools should be supporting pregnant and parenting teens that face numerous barriers to completing their education, not illegally excluding them from school. The ACLU’s Women’s Rights Project protects the rights of pregnant and parenting teens through advocacy, education, and litigation, working to combat the push-out of pregnant and parenting teens from school.
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