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#1343666 --- 05/10/12 07:45 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
bluezone Offline
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one post you say they are a sovereign nation and another post you say they are domestic dependent

keep getting your information from halbritters website...lol

chase your tail
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#1343882 --- 05/11/12 07:51 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda

Social and economic justice, regardless of class or caste...for ALL."


but you say the tribes are above the laws?
odd

will you save somalia also?
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#1344060 --- 05/12/12 08:26 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation


Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
The prospects of privately-owned militias defending interest in a free-market 'Utopia' here is a nightmare.

No Thanks.

The Perfect Free Market: Somalia



we have somalia right here in the USA
have you visited a 'reservation' lately?

when will you protect the tribal members rights?
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#1344322 --- 05/14/12 09:14 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.



same applies to all other tribes in NYS as there are no federal reservations in NYS

NO trust in NYS
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#1344330 --- 05/14/12 09:27 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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COINTELPRO still roaming the rez'?

Interesting.



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#1344541 --- 05/15/12 06:25 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
bluezone Offline
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have you been to the mohawk reservation?

without local, county, state and federal authorities it would be your somalia
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#1345399 --- 05/18/12 07:47 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
The prospects of privately-owned militias defending interest in a free-market 'Utopia' here is a nightmare.

No Thanks.

The Perfect Free Market: Somalia



have you found utopia yet?
you said you would give us all directions...


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#1346285 --- 05/24/12 12:22 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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In Finger Lakes Times:

by George Will
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BOSTON — Blond, blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren, the Senate candidate and Harvard professor who cites “family lore” that she is 1/32nd Cherokee, was inducted into Oklahoma’s Hall of Fame last year. Her biography on oklahomaheritage.com says she “can track both sides of her family in Oklahoma long before statehood” (1907) and “she proudly tells everyone she encounters that she is ‘an Okie to my toes.’”

It does not mention any Cherokee great-great-great-grandmother. A DVD of the induction ceremony shows that neither Warren nor anyone else mentioned this. The kerfuffle that has earned Warren
such sobriquets as “Spouting Bull” and “Fauxcahontas” began with reports that Harvard Law School, in routine academic preening about diversity (in everything but thought), listed her as a minority faculty member, as did the University of Pennsylvania when she taught there.

She said some in her family had “high cheekbones like all of the Indians do.” The New England Historic Genealogical Society said a document confirmed the family lore of Warren’s Cherokee ancestry, but later backtracked. She has said she did not know Harvard was listing her as a minority in the 1990s, but Harvard was echoing her: From 1986 through 1995, starting before she came to Harvard, a directory published by the Association of American Law Schools listed her as a minority and says its listings are based on professors claiming minority status.

So, although no evidence has been found that Warren is part Indian, for years two universities listed her as such. She has identified herself as a minority, as when, signing her name as “Elizabeth Warren — Cherokee,” she submitted a crab recipe (Oklahoma crabs?) to a supposedly Indian cookbook.
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#1346319 --- 05/24/12 03:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
BOSTON — Blond, blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren, the Senate candidate and Harvard professor who cites “family lore” that she is 1/32nd Cherokee,


so she must be 31/32 US citizen
time to pay all her taxes and obey all US laws

just like ray and clint ;\)
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#1346336 --- 05/24/12 04:53 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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There are blue eyed blonde Lakota Sioux too. She probably claimed her minority status to get a free college education. Like many Indians, there appears to be no proof that she can verify. Sounds like she has a good con game going and if she is running for Senate now, maybe she should run for President.

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#1347237 --- 05/30/12 09:16 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
BOSTON — Blond, blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren, the Senate candidate and Harvard professor who cites “family lore” that she is 1/32nd Cherokee, was inducted into Oklahoma’s Hall of Fame last year. Her biography on oklahomaheritage.com says she “can track both sides of her family in Oklahoma long before statehood” (1907) and “she proudly tells everyone she encounters that she is ‘an Okie to my toes.’”



looks like the 31/32 of her must 'pay' the 1/32 of her back for all the 'injustices' the 31/32 did to the 1/32 of her

eliminate the BIA
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#1347250 --- 05/30/12 09:50 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
There are blue eyed blonde Lakota Sioux too. She probably claimed her minority status to get a free college education. Like many Indians, there appears to be no proof that she can verify. Sounds like she has a good con game going and if she is running for Senate now, maybe she should run for President.
Sorry your prejudicial fantasies don't hold up... Warren attended George Washington University on a debate team scholarship. She finished her undergrad work at the University of Houston. No mention of minority status.

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#1347354 --- 05/31/12 03:51 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: kyle585
BOSTON — Blond, blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren, the Senate candidate and Harvard professor who cites “family lore” that she is 1/32nd Cherokee, was inducted into Oklahoma’s Hall of Fame last year. Her biography on oklahomaheritage.com says she “can track both sides of her family in Oklahoma long before statehood” (1907) and “she proudly tells everyone she encounters that she is ‘an Okie to my toes.’”
looks like the 31/32 of her must 'pay' the 1/32 of her back for all the 'injustices' the 31/32 did to the 1/32 of her

eliminate the BIA
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...can-status?lite

The story that just keeps on keepin’ on… “Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren acknowledged for the first time late Wednesday night that she told Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania that she was Native American, but she continued to insist that race played no role in her recruitment,” the Boston Globe writes.
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#1347997 --- 06/06/12 07:52 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Cuzi Sedso]
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Originally Posted By: Cuzi Sedso
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
There are blue eyed blonde Lakota Sioux too. She probably claimed her minority status to get a free college education. Like many Indians, there appears to be no proof that she can verify. Sounds like she has a good con game going and if she is running for Senate now, maybe she should run for President.
Sorry your prejudicial fantasies don't hold up... Warren attended George Washington University on a debate team scholarship. She finished her undergrad work at the University of Houston. No mention of minority status.


and who paid for her college bills?
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#1348032 --- 06/06/12 12:03 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012306040042

Jun 4, 2012

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday that he will “100 percent oppose” giving the state’s racetracks exclusive rights to build full-scale casinos in the state.

New York’s nine racetracks that have video-lottery terminals have been heavily lobbying Cuomo and the state Legislature to give them the rights to build casinos in the state. The state Legislature this year passed the first of two constitutional amendments to allow for up to seven casinos.

But Cuomo said he wants an open competition, and he won’t necessarily give the racinos the jackpot of being able to open casinos, which would have table games and other amenities that they don’t currently have. The Democratic governor also said he might consider casinos in western New York, despite the exclusive gaming rights of the Seneca Nation of Indians.


In western New York, the casino issue is complicated because the Seneca Nation of Indians have exclusive gaming rights in the region, stretching from Buffalo and east of Rochester. But the tribe has withheld more than $300 million in payments to the state in recent years, claiming the current three racinos in the region – Batavia, Finger Lakes and Buffalo — are infringing on their rights.

Cuomo said if the Senecas don’t pay, then their exclusivity might be nullified. The Senecas have three casinos in western New York.

He suggested that the Senecas’ holdout might allow for private casinos to be located in western New York.

“Contracts cannot be one-sided instruments. The contract basically said for these payments, the state will grant this exclusivity,” Cuomo said. “Well if there are no payments, then you would argue there is no exclusivity. If you want the exclusivity — which was our end of the contract — then you would have to live up to your end of the contract.”

Seneca Nation President Robert Odawi Porter declined to comment through a spokesman.
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#1348105 --- 06/07/12 05:38 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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All Prince Andrew is doing is shooting himself in the foot. There are already state run Racinos all over NY... Start up money has already been spent ....why not upgrade the existing Racinos to Vegas Style. You have Vernon Downs Racino which is mere miles from Turning Stone that can attract some of their business , Fingerlakes Racino that can attract some of the Turning Stone business from the Fingerlakes area, and Batavia Downs Racino that could attract some of the Western NY players looking for vegas style games away from Alleghany and Seneca Casinos.

Instead Prince Andrew wants to spend more money to build "other casinos" that will only attract vegas style players away from the already fragile NYS run Racinos and possibly closing them. Wasting all the money spent on them.

I have said this before.... POKER is HUGE and has been proven to be a game of SKILL not CHANCE....Why not be like other states(i.e. California,Florida) and have state run poker rooms all over NYS? Start up and operating costs would be minimal and could prove to be a real cash-cow. Not to mention drawing players away from Turning Stone, Seneca-Niagara, Alleghany, and Mohegan Sun in Vermont Foxwoods in Conneticut. If drawing business away from the Natives is truly their motive \:\/

Currently North Country Players go to Turning Stone or Mohegan Sun to play Poker. Down State poker players go to Foxwoods or Atlantic City. Central NY and Fingerlakes Region go to turning Stone, Southern Tier goes to the new casino in Bethel, PA. and Western NY goes to Alleghany or Seneca-Niagara to play Poker. All those options whether it be native or out of state results in LOST tax $$'s and revenue for NYS!
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#1348557 --- 06/11/12 10:53 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
All those options whether it be native or out of state results in LOST tax $$'s and revenue for NYS!


since when did lost tax dollars/revenue for NYS be your main concern?

turning stone is illegal (see ruling) and the state should just take it over
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#1348696 --- 06/12/12 09:03 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
by George Will
Washington Post
Writers Group

BOSTON — Blond, blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren, the Senate candidate and Harvard professor who cites “family lore” that she is 1/32nd Cherokee, was inducted into Oklahoma’s Hall of Fame last year. Her biography on oklahomaheritage.com says she “can track both sides of her family in Oklahoma long before statehood” (1907) and “she proudly tells everyone she encounters that she is ‘an Okie to my toes.’”


is she also claiming to be a US citizen?
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#1348702 --- 06/12/12 09:15 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.


have the state take over turning stone

Quote:
In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


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#1348748 --- 06/12/12 01:18 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Considering a legislators Husband is the owner of the catering company that owns and runs Turning Stone's food and beverage service hell will freeze over before the state will ever take over
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