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#1333361 --- 03/17/12 04:01 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Solidarity with indigenous people.


so when are you going to move to the 'reservation' to show your support?
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#1333362 --- 03/17/12 04:03 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
By any means necessary.


you going to call the local police when you need them?
lol
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#1333367 --- 03/17/12 04:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation
Since when is The United States of America not a sovereign nation?

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
It's been getting worse. I've never once implied that ANY republicrat, including Obama. hasn't lied to protect the Empire.

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Solidarity with indigenous people.


do not trip over your own words...
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#1333780 --- 03/19/12 11:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda

Several court rulings have recognized and affirmed...

1 Merrion v. Jicarilla Apache Tribe, 455 U.S. 148 (1982).
2 Oklahoma Tax Commission v. Citizen Band Potawatomi Indian Tribe, 498 U.S. 505, 509 (1991).


only apply the court rulings that suit your needs...
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#1333783 --- 03/19/12 11:13 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Got a beef with court rulings?

Write your Congressperson.
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#1333849 --- 03/20/12 08:47 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Got a beef with court rulings?
Write your Congressperson.


you sided with the british and lost
move on
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#1333870 --- 03/20/12 09:30 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation
Since when is The United States of America not a sovereign nation?

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
It's been getting worse. I've never once implied that ANY republicrat, including Obama. hasn't lied to protect the Empire.

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Solidarity with indigenous people.


do not trip over your own words...


Ridiculous out of context cut and paste. Please attempt to explain their relationship your comment.

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#1333872 --- 03/20/12 09:33 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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all contradictions

too hard to understand?
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#1333874 --- 03/20/12 09:42 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
all contradictions

too hard to understand?


Contradictions?
You're making the claim. Onus on you to explain.

Care to give it a try? ;\)


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#1333877 --- 03/20/12 09:44 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation
Since when is The United States of America not a sovereign nation?

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Solidarity with indigenous people.


still too hard to understand?
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#1333879 --- 03/20/12 09:48 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Since when is The United States of America not a sovereign nation?

Since the Federal Reserve, UN/UNESCO, WTO, NAFTA, just to name a few....


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#1333885 --- 03/20/12 10:14 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
Ayuveda Offline
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation
Since when is The United States of America not a sovereign nation?

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Solidarity with indigenous people.


still too hard to understand?



It simply shows that a person can act in solidarity with anyone, anywhere. In this case indigenous people.

Wheres the contradiction?
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#1335916 --- 04/02/12 09:14 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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you live on land that you claim is the tribes
you claim to be a US ciitizen and want equality but feel the tribes should be above all laws

as someone once said 'united we stand....'

tribal members were given US citizenship in 1924
they should be required to renounce it if they want to be part of the 'reservation' system
no voting in our elections
no running for office in our government
no use of taxpayer money to fund their government/lifestyle
...
...
...

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#1341715 --- 04/30/12 08:34 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation
Since when is The United States of America not a sovereign nation?


You do not own the land
time to repay the tribes for the use of the land that you have occupied for all these years

failure to do so would prove you do not believe the land is the tribes land
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#1342195 --- 05/02/12 04:50 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Tribal activists often claim a favored provision out of a single treaty while ignoring other provisions of the same treaty and also later treaties, agreements, laws and the Constitution with its Amendments. They then attack anyone who objects to this simplistic approach as anti-treaty and anti-Indian, and there are some very significant later laws and constitutional provisions that impact treaty interpretations.




the tribal members enjoy all the freedoms and priviledges that US citizenship gave them in 1924

if they did not renounce their US citizenship then they are not a 'seperate' nation
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#1342496 --- 05/04/12 07:36 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Quote:
Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.


rescind the treaty as the tribe is in violation


the tribe likes to pick and choose which law to obey

stop all local, state and federal funding
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#1343040 --- 05/07/12 08:05 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.


rescind the treaty as the tribe is in violation



Sovereign Nations


domestic dependent

your words

without all the funding from the local, county, state and federal government the 'tribes' would fail to exist

how much money did the tribe spend last year for their military protection?

ZERO...........
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#1343245 --- 05/08/12 08:24 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
I'm a MEMBER of a sovereign nation


Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
The prospects of privately-owned militias defending interest in a free-market 'Utopia' here is a nightmare.

No Thanks.

The Perfect Free Market: Somalia

By Bob Cavnar
July 3, 2010

I've often wondered if there is an example of unrestrained free markets in the world that we could look to for an idea of exactly what it would look like. Certainly, the early days of our nation give an inkling, but we have always had a relatively strong central government, and an historic culture of common purpose. But that is not what free market libertarians advocate; they advocate every one for themselves; profit built into every activity including healthcare, utilities, mail delivery, even defense. So. Where can we seek an example of unrestrained free markets and their effects?

I found the answer Thursday while driving from Boston to Vermont for the 4th of July holiday. We were listening to an interview on Fresh Air, a great NPR program, with guest Jeffrey Gettleman, bureau chief for the New York Times in East Africa. Gettleman was talking about how African nations have fallen into anarchy, where governments have completely collapsed. His prime example was Somalia, where there hasn't been a central government for over 20 years. A quagmire of warlords, religious fanatics, and criminals, he described Somalia as "the most dangerous place in the world" with no central government, no services, no electricity, no law enforcement, no green zone for safety. He described the country as a culture based on individual trust bought with money. Personal relationships are key, and power is kept through violence and wealth.

Gettleman says that when you arrive at the airport in Mogadishu, you fill out a form with your name, address, and caliber of weapon you carry. For electricity, neighbors must band together to buy a generator, wire it to their homes, fuel it, and then defend it from being stolen. Businessmen sell their own stamps for private mail delivery. There is no central government, no law enforcement, no public utilities. The streets are ruled by gangs, and territory is protected with bullets. Everyone freely exercises their right to bear arms. Every day, all day. It is the perfect free market, a Libertarian's or Tea Partier's Utopia. And, it is hopeless.



somalia and the reservation system in the USA are the same
odd that you would support the reservation system in the USA but not somalia

where is your utopia?

insert foot in mouth...

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#1343602 --- 05/09/12 09:16 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Wheres the contradiction?


every post of yours on this subject is a contradiction

is somalia your utopia?

draw us up some maps for direction

lol
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#1343619 --- 05/09/12 10:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Wheres the contradiction?


every post of yours on this subject is a contradiction


Only in the realm of your idiotic false analogies homie.
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