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#1342759 - 05/05/12 02:12 PM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: Ayuveda]
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VM Smith
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Registered: 11/28/05
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Loc: Reality
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and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.
It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them.
Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects.
Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire.
Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted.
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Well I know what's right, I got just one life... But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down
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#1342809 - 05/05/12 10:11 PM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Rich_Tallcot
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 3748
Loc: Union Springs, New York
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Occupy the Southern Poverty Law Center
By Charles C. W. Cooke
May 4, 2012
In light of the May Day arrests of the Cuyahoga 5, the Occupy Wall Street-affiliated group of men who planned to blow up a bridge in Cleveland, Ohio, I called the Southern Poverty Law Center to find out of they had any plans to start tracking the Occupy movement. The first person I spoke to was so shocked by the question that she paused for a good 15 seconds before promising to put me in touch with a representative. This she eventually did, however, and after a game of cat-and-mouse - the person she'd found for me was busy "hosting an international -conference on right-wing extremism," natch - we managed to touch base and I to pose the question: "Do you have any plans to start tracking Occupy Wall Street after a hate group tried to blow up a bridge?"
"No, I don't think so," he said. "We blogged it right away when it happened." I asked him why he thought this deserved only a blog post, and he explained that the SPLC only deals with "hatred of people based on class characteristics," which a little more pushing revealed meant "immutable characteristics such as a person's eye or skin color." "So," I asked, "Occupy doesn't count because it doesn't hate people based on their innate characteristics?" He assented, but didn't explain adequately why SPLC is vocal on "Islamophobia," for example - whatever Islam is, it is not an "immutable" characteristic - and why it concerns itself with matters of traditionalist Catholic theology.
"We did go after the eco-terrorists," he told me. "But that was because they'd adopted the same tactics as the abortion activists: vilification, the use of 'Wanted' posters, highlighting the names and whereabouts of people's children and -spouses." And then he went on a long speech about "anti-abortion extremists" that had very little to do with what I was asking, but no doubt made him feel good. I met this with silence, so he said that, really, the SPLC only tracks those who commit violence or who seek to destroy whole systems in the name of an ideology.
"Isn't that exactly what happened in Cleveland?" I asked. "These five men, all linked with Occupy Wall Street, attempted to blow up a bridge as an overture to the wholesale destruction of Cleveland, Ohio, and in the name of anarchism. They also looked to blow up the Republican convention."
"They were anarchists," he repeated.
"Yes?"
He paused. "We're not really set up to cover the extreme Left."
This was at least honest. He must have heard me thinking, because he continued, "Some people ask why we don’t cover prison gangs or the Crips and the Bloods, because they are violent, too. But they aren't political, you see."
"But Occupy is political," I suggested.
Back to the honesty: "Well, take it if you will, or won't."
"Fair enough."
He felt the need to keep explaining, so I let him. We only ever cover left-wing groups when they have a right-wing component, he told me. For example, "when anarchist groups are infiltrated by those on the right; Neo-Nazis, that sort of thing."
I asked whether this was a little like the way the French do masculine and feminine plurals; that if there are a thousand women and one man, it becomes masculine. In other words, that the SPLC covers a group if there is even a minute "right-wing" component. "Yes, I suppose so," he said.
I left it there, but I couldn't help feeling that there was a little bit of a syllogism going on; that being that "Left" equals "good," and "Right" equals "bad," and therefore anything "Left" couldn't be "bad" unless it were infiltrated by the "Right." In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism. One would have thought that these things would be sufficient warrant for a group like the Southern Poverty Law Center to stand up and take serious note, but, as I learned yesterday, there's one problem: They're just "not set up to cover the extreme Left."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299...rles-c-w-cooke#
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#1342841 - 05/06/12 09:13 AM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: VM Smith]
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Ayuveda
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Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
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In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism. They're just a bunch of typical people, except that they fancy themselves a cut above.
Charming how the conservative British writer cherrypicks his findings from a microcosm of day-to-day reality in America, as if those were something new and remarkable here.
And yes, "typical people", folks actually responding in these twisted, typical times.
Despite anyone's political biases or armchair theoretical opinions about the Occupy movement, it's their willingness to actively confront the corporatist state that DOES put them a cut above the rest.
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Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1342856 - 05/06/12 09:46 AM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: Ayuveda]
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Chicago Jesus
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Registered: 01/16/12
Posts: 6164
Loc: Cocktails with Regie and Tiger
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In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism. They're just a bunch of typical people, except that they fancy themselves a cut above. Charming how the conservative British writer cherrypicks his findings from a microcosm of day-to-day reality in America, as if those were something new and remarkable here. And yes, "typical people", folks actually responding in these twisted, typical times. Despite anyone's political biases or armchair theoretical opinions about the Occupy movement, it's their willingness to actively confront the corporatist state that DOES put them a cut above the rest. You're calling OWS'ers "typical people"?
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Liberty anywhere is a threat to Collectivism everywhere.
Remember.... Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
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#1342927 - 05/06/12 02:54 PM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: VM Smith]
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twocats
Silver Member
Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 10735
Loc: NYS
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and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together. It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them. Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects. Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire. Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted. You keep saying the nuclear industry wouldn't be insured without the government, but without government, there wouldn't be any requirement for insurance.
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Dismiss whatever insults your own soul.
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#1342932 - 05/06/12 03:08 PM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: twocats]
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cwjga
Senior Member
Registered: 11/06/08
Posts: 3705
Loc: NY
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and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together. It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them. Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects. Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire. Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted. You keep saying the nuclear industry wouldn't be insured without the government, but without government, there wouldn't be any requirement for insurance.
Why does there need to be a requirenment for insurance? And is there one?
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"Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong." Calvin Coolidge
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#1342938 - 05/06/12 03:52 PM
Re: Occupy May Day
[Re: cwjga]
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twocats
Silver Member
Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 10735
Loc: NYS
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and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together. It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them. Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects. Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire. Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted. You keep saying the nuclear industry wouldn't be insured without the government, but without government, there wouldn't be any requirement for insurance. Why does there need to be a requirenment for insurance? And is there one? I don't know. Perhaps VM can enlighten us both.
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