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#1342666 - 05/04/12 11:29 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Jseemore]
VM Smith
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He was as coherent as most of them. Pretty sad.
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#1342671 - 05/05/12 12:55 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
Chicago Jesus
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
[quote=VM Smith]
Quote:

Your wind just blows...it doesn't go anywhere.



It's not my wind VM, it's the collective (a dirty word to you I assume) minds, bodies, and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.

Powerful winds.

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#1342672 - 05/05/12 01:58 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Chicago Jesus]
VM Smith
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LOL!
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#1342706 - 05/05/12 08:59 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Chicago Jesus
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
LOL!
My cousin Quasar was killed in this car. He ran aground on Chappaquiddick Island, off the coast of Massachusetts. It was a sad day for the Bob family, Quasar Bob was an inventor. Before his tragic death he was working on a toenail fungal cream.
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#1342757 - 05/05/12 01:56 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
Rich_Tallcot
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
Ayuveda wants equality for all, up until everybody starts exercising their equality individually. In other words, we can all be equal up to and until the point that an individual strays from the tow-line.

It's a Utopian fantasy to think we can transform society into a collective, where everybody has their equal role and puts for equal effort toward a common goal, while dismissing the notion that somebody(s) will find themselves more skilled/talented/innovative than the commoners and would want to elevate their power and importance "for the benefit of all". In the end, we would still wind up with a 1% ruling over the other 99%.
Bingo. Ayuveda never said they wanted equality for all except as in the realm of supporting the Communist beliefs of John Collier. A Utopian fantasy indeed.

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#1342759 - 05/05/12 02:12 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith
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Quote:
and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.


It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them.

Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects.

Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire.

Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted.
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#1342778 - 05/05/12 08:33 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
Ayuveda wants equality for all, up until everybody starts exercising their equality individually. In other words, we can all be equal up to and until the point that an individual strays from the tow-line.

It's a Utopian fantasy to think we can transform society into a collective, where everybody has their equal role and puts for equal effort toward a common goal, while dismissing the notion that somebody(s) will find themselves more skilled/talented/innovative than the commoners and would want to elevate their power and importance "for the benefit of all". In the end, we would still wind up with a 1% ruling over the other 99%.
Bingo. Ayuveda never said they wanted equality for all except as in the realm of supporting the Communist beliefs of John Collier. A Utopian fantasy indeed.


Damn Rich,this is my second time I agree with you 100%
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#1342809 - 05/05/12 10:11 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
Rich_Tallcot
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Occupy the Southern Poverty Law Center

By Charles C. W. Cooke

May 4, 2012

In light of the May Day arrests of the Cuyahoga 5, the Occupy Wall Street-affiliated group of men who planned to blow up a bridge in Cleveland, Ohio, I called the Southern Poverty Law Center to find out of they had any plans to start tracking the Occupy movement. The first person I spoke to was so shocked by the question that she paused for a good 15 seconds before promising to put me in touch with a representative. This she eventually did, however, and after a game of cat-and-mouse - the person she'd found for me was busy "hosting an international -conference on right-wing extremism," natch - we managed to touch base and I to pose the question: "Do you have any plans to start tracking Occupy Wall Street after a hate group tried to blow up a bridge?"

"No, I don't think so," he said. "We blogged it right away when it happened." I asked him why he thought this deserved only a blog post, and he explained that the SPLC only deals with "hatred of people based on class characteristics," which a little more pushing revealed meant "immutable characteristics such as a person's eye or skin color." "So," I asked, "Occupy doesn't count because it doesn't hate people based on their innate characteristics?" He assented, but didn't explain adequately why SPLC is vocal on "Islamophobia," for example - whatever Islam is, it is not an "immutable" characteristic - and why it concerns itself with matters of traditionalist Catholic theology.

"We did go after the eco-terrorists," he told me. "But that was because they'd adopted the same tactics as the abortion activists: vilification, the use of 'Wanted' posters, highlighting the names and whereabouts of people's children and -spouses." And then he went on a long speech about "anti-abortion extremists" that had very little to do with what I was asking, but no doubt made him feel good. I met this with silence, so he said that, really, the SPLC only tracks those who commit violence or who seek to destroy whole systems in the name of an ideology.

"Isn't that exactly what happened in Cleveland?" I asked. "These five men, all linked with Occupy Wall Street, attempted to blow up a bridge as an overture to the wholesale destruction of Cleveland, Ohio, and in the name of anarchism. They also looked to blow up the Republican convention."

"They were anarchists," he repeated.

"Yes?"

He paused. "We're not really set up to cover the extreme Left."

This was at least honest. He must have heard me thinking, because he continued, "Some people ask why we don’t cover prison gangs or the Crips and the Bloods, because they are violent, too. But they aren't political, you see."

"But Occupy is political," I suggested.

Back to the honesty: "Well, take it if you will, or won't."

"Fair enough."

He felt the need to keep explaining, so I let him. We only ever cover left-wing groups when they have a right-wing component, he told me. For example, "when anarchist groups are infiltrated by those on the right; Neo-Nazis, that sort of thing."

I asked whether this was a little like the way the French do masculine and feminine plurals; that if there are a thousand women and one man, it becomes masculine. In other words, that the SPLC covers a group if there is even a minute "right-wing" component. "Yes, I suppose so," he said.

I left it there, but I couldn't help feeling that there was a little bit of a syllogism going on; that being that "Left" equals "good," and "Right" equals "bad," and therefore anything "Left" couldn't be "bad" unless it were infiltrated by the "Right." In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism. One would have thought that these things would be sufficient warrant for a group like the Southern Poverty Law Center to stand up and take serious note, but, as I learned yesterday, there's one problem: They're just "not set up to cover the extreme Left."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299...rles-c-w-cooke#

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#1342811 - 05/05/12 10:24 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
VM Smith
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In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism.


They're just a bunch of typical people, except that they fancy themselves a cut above.
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#1342841 - 05/06/12 09:13 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Quote:
In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism.


They're just a bunch of typical people, except that they fancy themselves a cut above.


Charming how the conservative British writer cherrypicks his findings from a microcosm of day-to-day reality in America, as if those were something new and remarkable here.



And yes, "typical people", folks actually responding in these twisted, typical times.

Despite anyone's political biases or armchair theoretical opinions about the Occupy movement, it's their willingness to actively confront the corporatist state that DOES put them a cut above the rest.
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#1342856 - 05/06/12 09:46 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
Chicago Jesus
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Quote:
In my time covering Occupy Wall Street I have seen anti-Semitism, black nationalism, class hatred, and threats of violence; there have been rapes, a few murders, and now some domestic terrorism.


They're just a bunch of typical people, except that they fancy themselves a cut above.


Charming how the conservative British writer cherrypicks his findings from a microcosm of day-to-day reality in America, as if those were something new and remarkable here.



And yes, "typical people", folks actually responding in these twisted, typical times.

Despite anyone's political biases or armchair theoretical opinions about the Occupy movement, it's their willingness to actively confront the corporatist state that DOES put them a cut above the rest.

You're calling OWS'ers "typical people"?
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#1342861 - 05/06/12 10:12 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Chicago Jesus]
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The Dark Knight with facts
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#1342894 - 05/06/12 12:39 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith
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And yes, "typical people", folks actually responding in these twisted, typical times.

Despite anyone's political biases or armchair theoretical opinions about the Occupy movement, it's their willingness to actively confront the corporatist state that DOES put them a cut above the rest.


Yeah, they're responding to a rape scene with a fire hose. Charming.
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#1342927 - 05/06/12 02:54 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
twocats
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
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and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.


It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them.

Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects.

Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire.

Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted.

You keep saying the nuclear industry wouldn't be insured without the government, but without government, there wouldn't be any requirement for insurance.
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#1342932 - 05/06/12 03:08 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: twocats]
cwjga
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Quote:
and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.


It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them.

Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects.

Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire.

Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted.

You keep saying the nuclear industry wouldn't be insured without the government, but without government, there wouldn't be any requirement for insurance.


Why does there need to be a requirenment for insurance? And is there one?
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#1342938 - 05/06/12 03:52 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: cwjga]
twocats
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: twocats
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Quote:
and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.


It will be most likely be sustainable, as it has always been, despite the short sighted, hysterical Chicken Little attitude so prevalent. The joker in the deck is nuclear. The bombs and missiles wouldn't exist, though, without government, and the nuke power industry wouldn't exist in a free market, because the plants wouldn't be insured, if government hadn't forced the people to assume the liability for them.

Besides the financial liability, they have been forced to risk the actual physical danger, and bear the actual physical effects.

Even the weapons merchants, like Gen Dyn, GE, and Raytheon aren't threatening Iran; only government has that power and crazy desire.

Only government has the power to seek to have nuke power in Iran, and to force it upon the people. The Iranian people aren't consulted.

You keep saying the nuclear industry wouldn't be insured without the government, but without government, there wouldn't be any requirement for insurance.


Why does there need to be a requirenment for insurance? And is there one?

I don't know. Perhaps VM can enlighten us both.
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#1342939 - 05/06/12 04:22 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Chicago Jesus
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Quote:
And yes, "typical people", folks actually responding in these twisted, typical times.

Despite anyone's political biases or armchair theoretical opinions about the Occupy movement, it's their willingness to actively confront the corporatist state that DOES put them a cut above the rest.


Yeah, they're responding to a rape scene with a fire hose. Charming.


Its a Flea-Baggers Utopia.
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#1343035 - 05/07/12 08:55 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
bluezone
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
It's not my wind VM, it's the collective (a dirty word to you I assume) minds, bodies, and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.

Powerful winds.


do you apply this same principle at home?
do all members have equal say or is there a 'leader' in your home?
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#1343073 - 05/07/12 12:12 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: bluezone]
Chicago Jesus
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
It's not my wind VM, it's the collective (a dirty word to you I assume) minds, bodies, and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.

Powerful winds.


do you apply this same principle at home?
do all members have equal say or is there a 'leader' in your home?
Its a collective bargaining unit with a lot of Political Correctness.
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#1343084 - 05/07/12 01:53 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: cwjga]
VM Smith
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Why does there need to be a requirenment for insurance? And is there one?


To take care of any damages or losses that may result from the building and operation of nuclear plants. There needs to be insurance available, or lenders won't loan for construction. Nuclear power is so obviously dangerous that no private insurer would write a policy at an affordable price, in a free market, so government put the taxpayer on the hook for the liability, above a certain ridiculously low limit, and so plants were built. "The taxpayer" probably includes you. How do you feel about this having been put on you? Do you think this was a good, or even ethical, idea? Were you even aware of what has been done to you? Did you give your permission and consent? Did government even bother to ask you for it?
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