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#1342566 - 05/04/12 10:32 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
VM Smith
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You forget the marching banner, Comrade: "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs.".

Of course it wouldn't do to get rid of one bunch of successful producers, only to have them replaced by another. The goal is egalitarianism...they want everybody to be so poor that they all have to sleep in parks. Permanently...after all, this is an ongoing movement, and that's where it logically goes.

If it focused on yapping at corporatism/fascism, it would make sense, but they bark up the wrong tree, and go after corporations, and capitalism itself. What fools...what limited, blindered vision...those horses feel the bite of the spurs, but don't even have a clue about who's actually riding them.

I know...I neglected to work in the sheep metaphor, but that always makes me think of Michael Savage, which depresses me.
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#1342571 - 05/04/12 10:53 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Chicago Jesus
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The forward thinking progressives want a agrarian society.

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#1342573 - 05/04/12 10:59 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Chicago Jesus]
MeRightYouWrong
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In that picture I see everybody employed and no carbon emissions. I'm now sold on the concept.
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#1342575 - 05/04/12 11:12 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
VM Smith
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Fine tune your concept, Comrade. There is an easy, feel-good way out. You can trade imaginary carbon credits. This will, of course, merely shift the imaginary carbon problem spotlight away from you, but hey...isn't the goal to feel righteously self-satisfied?
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#1342580 - 05/04/12 11:46 AM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
You forget the marching banner, Comrade: "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs.".

Of course it wouldn't do to get rid of one bunch of successful producers, only to have them replaced by another. The goal is egalitarianism...they want everybody to be so poor that they all have to sleep in parks. Permanently...after all, this is an ongoing movement, and that's where it logically goes.

If it attacked corporatism/fascism, it would make sense, but they bark up the wrong tree, and go after corporations, and capitalism itself. What fools...what limited, blindered vision...those horses don't even know who's riding them.


Chill on your porch throne and bemoan your irrelevancy King Judgment. The youth you consider "fools" are making history on a path your tired nag can only dream to follow.


egal·i·tar·i·an·ism
noun \-ē-ə-ˌni-zəm\
EGALITARIANISM
1
: a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
2
: a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people.



How sad you find it a principle worthy of riducule.













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#1342585 - 05/04/12 12:26 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
MeRightYouWrong
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Why don't you practice Egalitarianism on these forums, in reference to people you disagree with/disagree with you? Do they not have equality in their opinions/practices and how they relate to social, political and/or economic affairs?



Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Chill on your porch throne and bemoan your irrelevancy King Judgment. The youth you consider "fools" are making history on a path your tired nag can only dream to follow.


This youth you speak of, are you a part of that group or is this some sort of mid-life crisis for you?


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#1342588 - 05/04/12 12:50 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith
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I'm aware of the def, Jack.

Quote:
EGALITARIANISM
1
: a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
2
: a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people.



How sad you find it a principle worthy of riducule.


You stress that it's a principle; the def 1st says it's a belief.You imagine that the path to equality can be found by doing away with the only thing that has any hope of achieving it. You want to hobble the "tired nag" which has never even been let out of the stable to run freely. Your sainted but clueless movement will be a historically irrelevant backwater.
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#1342589 - 05/04/12 12:58 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
MeRightYouWrong
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Ayuveda wants equality for all, up until everybody starts exercising their equality individually. In other words, we can all be equal up to and until the point that an individual strays from the tow-line.

It's a Utopian fantasy to think we can transform society into a collective, where everybody has their equal role and puts for equal effort toward a common goal, while dismissing the notion that somebody(s) will find themselves more skilled/talented/innovative than the commoners and would want to elevate their power and importance "for the benefit of all". In the end, we would still wind up with a 1% ruling over the other 99%.

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#1342591 - 05/04/12 01:26 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Chicago Jesus]
Josephus
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Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
The forward thinking progressives want a agrarian society.


Agrarian? You're thinking of Thomas Jefferson's approach, as opposed to those who wanted an industrial economy.
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#1342592 - 05/04/12 01:34 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Josephus]
VM Smith
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He had that approach, but he wasn't the only one, and people still have it. And it was, to a large extent, an expression of the regional tension between the industrialized North and the agrarian South, and was a perhaps unconscious justification of Jefferson's own agrarian plantation/slaveholding life as it was a general principle.
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#1342597 - 05/04/12 02:04 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Greymane
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Interesting, Ayuveda. Coming from a farming family, I can tell you that the basic theme is that those that contribute nothing but consumption of the stores eventually gives the ultimate contribution.
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#1342603 - 05/04/12 02:59 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Josephus]
Chicago Jesus
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
The forward thinking progressives want a agrarian society.


Agrarian? You're thinking of Thomas Jefferson's approach, as opposed to those who wanted an industrial economy.


Not me comrade. I'm all for big Cars and cheap gas. That sustainably crap is your legacy not mine.
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#1342625 - 05/04/12 07:08 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Chicago Jesus]
Josephus
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Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
The forward thinking progressives want a agrarian society.


Agrarian? You're thinking of Thomas Jefferson's approach, as opposed to those who wanted an industrial economy.


Not me comrade. I'm all for big Cars and cheap gas. That sustainably crap is your legacy not mine.

Personally, I'm in favor of the use of commas in proper grammar. ;\)
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#1342627 - 05/04/12 07:13 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
Why don't you practice Egalitarianism on these forums, in reference to people you disagree with/disagree with you? Do they not have equality in their opinions/practices and how they relate to social, political and/or economic affairs?



OOH, such serious reproachment! Kind of harsh considering that I merely stated my opinion.

With all due respect you might try not being so thin-skinned.


Namaste






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#1342630 - 05/04/12 07:27 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
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You won`t see today`s youth working hand in hand. They are to lazy,disrespectful, do not know how to dress in a proper manner.
Most not all----- never mind don`t want to pee of some liberal
over my 1st amendment rights. Oh hell most are a waste breathing good air that some senior could use that worked their whole life to get what they own legaly.

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#1342632 - 05/04/12 07:59 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
I'm aware of the def, Jack.

Quote:
EGALITARIANISM
1
: a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
2
: a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people.



How sad you find it a principle worthy of riducule.


You stress that it's a principle; the def 1st says it's a belief.You imagine that the path to equality can be found by doing away with the only thing that has any hope of achieving it. You want to hobble the "tired nag" which has never even been let out of the stable to run freely. Your sainted but clueless movement will be a historically irrelevant backwater.






Occupy is guided by the principle of egalitarianism.


I understand, it's difficult to keep dusting off theories of untethered free-market capitalism with winds blowing in an opposite direction.

But to dismiss the inspiring courage of those discarding paradigms of status quo? Piece by rotten piece? Even embracing a fundamentally opposing political stance I'm surprised you'd opt to dismiss efforts to create a new tomorrow quite so off-handily.

Whatever the case, history will ultimately shake down through people's struggle, and develop through their ingenuity and practice, as have all mass movements for social or economic justice.














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#1342634 - 05/04/12 08:34 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith
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Quote:
winds blowing in an opposite direction.


Your wind just blows...it doesn't go anywhere.

Quote:
history will ultimately shake down through people's struggle,


Yes...the struggle of individual people against the state. All it needs is critical mass.
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#1342640 - 05/04/12 08:58 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda
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[quote=VM Smith]
Quote:

Your wind just blows...it doesn't go anywhere.



It's not my wind VM, it's the collective (a dirty word to you I assume) minds, bodies, and human spirit of countless individuals interacting and working to creating a sustainable future together.

Powerful winds.

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#1342653 - 05/04/12 10:20 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith
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Happy trails...
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#1342656 - 05/04/12 10:42 PM Re: Occupy May Day [Re: Ayuveda]
Jseemore
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Talk about a smack down.

If anyone agrees with this occupy representative wingnut, this country is in more trouble than I ever imagined.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/05/04/vid...sive-interview/
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