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#1339473 - 04/18/12 09:24 PM

Romulus Cruelty Case

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4/18/12 @ 2:46 pm

On April 16th, 2012 Seneca County SPCA investigators charged two Romulus women with animal cruelty. Christina Scibona and Debbra Dean-Singer are accused of misdemeanor cruelty to animals. They are scheduled to appear in Romulus Town Court on April 27th, 2012 to answer the charges.

The SPCA received information that there was a video posted on Facebook that represented cruelty to animals. The video showed a tiny white kitten being spun around on a smooth vinyl floor until it became disoriented and dizzy and unable to walk. When the kitten frantically stumbled away the participants were heard laughing and the kitten was grabbed and spun again.

When interviewed by the SPCA, the subjects claimed that they did not know this was cruel and thought it was funny. One of them told investigators that she “spins” her children as well.

Jenny McWhorter, President of the SPCA, said “what children observe in their homes is carried on to the rest of their lives. These women were teaching their children that, not only was it OK to torture a tiny kitten, it was funny enough to video record and put on Facebook. We need to educate that terrorizing a small animal is not OK and that there are consequences for cruelty.”

According to the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, "A kid who is abusive to a pet is quite often acting out violence directly experienced or witnessed in the home." About one-third of children who are exposed to family violence will act out this violence, often against their own pets.

The women are charged with torturing the kitten, a misdemeanor under section 353 of New York State Agriculture and Markets law.

Two tiny kittens that were surrendered to the Seneca County SPCA in this case are available to loving adoptive homes. Please call 315-945-9931 for more info

Good Job Seneca County SPCA

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#1339487 - 04/18/12 10:41 PM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: reds4256rose]
kimmac2004 kimmac2004 Member Registered: 09/14/08 Posts: 201 Loc: Seneca Falls, NY	The arrest for the treatment of kittens is fine & well, BUT, are there no charges for admitting to doing the same thing to her children? I'm no expert on the law, but I would think that the well being of this lady's children is a bit more important than the welfare of a couple kittens!
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#1339497 - 04/19/12 12:44 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: kimmac2004]
all seeing eye all seeing eye Senior Member Registered: 08/05/07 Posts: 1589 Loc: Seneca Lake	It sounds like the SPCA acted to protect the children and I am sure child protective services will get a report. Originally Posted By: kimmac2004 The arrest for the treatment of kittens is fine & well, BUT, are there no charges for admitting to doing the same thing to her children? I'm no expert on the law, but I would think that the well being of this lady's children is a bit more important than the welfare of a couple kittens! _________________________ Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group.
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#1339500 - 04/19/12 01:43 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: all seeing eye]
smokin' smokin' Member Registered: 09/05/07 Posts: 26 Loc: here	playing devils adovacate...how much harm came to the kids being spun on floor??? really???
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#1339512 - 04/19/12 06:23 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: smokin']
lovinglife lovinglife Member Registered: 03/18/02 Posts: 129	Would that make the sit and spin by Playskool for ages 18 months - 5 years illegal?
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#1339515 - 04/19/12 06:40 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: lovinglife]
Here's Johnny Here's Johnny Senior Member Registered: 11/14/10 Posts: 601 Loc: New York	It's the internet age. Is it fair to suppose that stuff like this has been going on but never became public until we all got hooked into the internet?
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#1339528 - 04/19/12 08:30 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Here's Johnny]
Tabbytails Tabbytails Senior Member Registered: 02/20/06 Posts: 1047 Loc: Here Abouts.	If she spun the kids on the floor and they enjoyed it, it would not be cruel...but to spin a kitten who has no freakin idea what is happening and is terrified is a completely different thing. How many parents played "airplane" with their kids-taking them by one arm and one leg and twirling around the lawn with them? Would you do that to a cat or dog? Most likely not as they would be terrified or hurt by the ordeal.
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#1339540 - 04/19/12 10:20 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Here's Johnny]
Kitty Kitty Senior Member Registered: 07/02/08 Posts: 2271 Loc: Chucking wood	Originally Posted By: Here's Johnny It's the internet age. Is it fair to suppose that stuff like this has been going on but never became public until we all got hooked into the internet? Much worse stuff than this goes on all the time, abuse that they get away with because: 1. People say "they're just animals" and turn their heads 2. Prosecutors say they "don't have time" to deal with these cases. 3. There are some stupid people that are too uneducated about anatomy and physiology to understand that animals have sophisticated nervous systems very similar to ours, that makes them just as vulnerable to pain as we are. I could curl you hair with stories of what I see regularly in a veterinary clinic. Jenny knows what I'm talking about. _________________________ The Constitution gives every American the inalienable right to make a damn fool of himself. J.Ciardi
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#1339658 - 04/20/12 01:07 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Kitty]
justme1161 justme1161 Member Registered: 08/20/00 Posts: 174 Loc: Just Here	Glad they got caught! If the cat was that out of it, well it was close to brain damage. Then to add it was done to the kids! HELLO CPA! Hope your on this one. BTW, NO I never did the airplane thing with my kids. I don't think it's right to throw a young child around. I would NEVER spin my kids, for the chance of the brain shifting, or hitting, and that would be brain damage.
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#1339671 - 04/20/12 08:08 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: justme1161]
Tabbytails Tabbytails Senior Member Registered: 02/20/06 Posts: 1047 Loc: Here Abouts.	Well, I am 50 years old, and back when I was a kid having an "airplane ride" was a basic part of playing. I am not suggesting that people should do it, but you see parents do that with 5 yr olds and it is not considered child abuse.
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#1339677 - 04/20/12 08:34 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Tabbytails]
Paws&Claws Paws&Claws Member Registered: 03/05/07 Posts: 69 Loc: NY, Seneca	Lets get straight to the point of the matter people. Did you see the video? How old is the kitten, how old is her kids? Can you cause brain damage to a 6 week old baby if you spun them on the floor in a circle really fast. This was a 6 week old kitten. Same as a 6 week old baby. Brain development and the fact that it can bounce from side to side. I hope that I have made my point clear. Sit n spin for an 18 month old that is spinning herself to a person spinning it as fast as they can??? SPCA is concerned not only with the baby kittens but also with these children. When is it ok to shake a child? When is it ok to abuse an animal. This kitten was terrified there is no doubt. So please support the fact that the SPCA is not only trying to save an animal from daily spinning torture for amusement but being cruel to animals is how some of our serial killers start out. I am not saying this is the case but what children see in their household is a learned behavior so do we want to teach her children that this is ok to do to animals? Educate yourself and your children to be a better part of this world not the trash that we see everyday in the news..
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#1339679 - 04/20/12 08:40 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Paws&Claws]
123 123 Senior Member Registered: 10/28/11 Posts: 845 Loc: From Ga.	aybe I should take these women for a spin and see how they like it? Just might get entertaining. _________________________ "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace."
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#1339683 - 04/20/12 09:25 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: 123]
poohbear66 poohbear66 Senior Member Registered: 08/10/01 Posts: 1883 Loc: ny, usa	Not only that but if a child started crying from this act the parents would hopefully stop but how does the animal tell you it needs this stop if its so disoriented. Our animals are our kids! _________________________
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#1339712 - 04/20/12 12:16 PM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Paws&Claws]
Tabbytails Tabbytails Senior Member Registered: 02/20/06 Posts: 1047 Loc: Here Abouts.	I do not think anyone said they thought it was okay to abuse an animal, ever. I was pointing out that it WAS animal abuse in that the poor thing was terrified, and was trying like heck to get away. However, it may not be child abuse if she spun her kids if her kids were older and she wasn't spinning them so fast they would be hurt. Just spinning a kid on the floor to make them giggle is not abuse. She never stated how old her kids were when she did this. Also, a child would know what was going on, that poor kitten had no idea what was happening. He just wanted to escape.
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#1341420 - 04/28/12 09:03 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Tabbytails]
Paws&Claws Paws&Claws Member Registered: 03/05/07 Posts: 69 Loc: NY, Seneca	Anyone know the status of this case?
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#1341430 - 04/28/12 10:12 AM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: poohbear66]
kyle585 kyle585 Senior Member Registered: 02/18/09 Posts: 7636 Loc: Somewhere out there	Originally Posted By: poohbear66 Not only that but if a child started crying from this act the parents would hopefully stop but how does the animal tell you it needs this stop if its so disoriented. Our animals are our kids! Well said _________________________ Cayugas: $1 million unpaid property taxes by April in SC.
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#1341449 - 04/28/12 01:21 PM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: kyle585]
Spanky Spanky Senior Member Registered: 11/19/00 Posts: 1371 Loc: Seneca Falls NY Seneca	I heard the case was spun off to a lower court.
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#1341452 - 04/28/12 01:42 PM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Spanky]
kyle585 kyle585 Senior Member Registered: 02/18/09 Posts: 7636 Loc: Somewhere out there	Originally Posted By: Spanky I heard the case was spun off to a lower court. A lower court than a town court? Is there such a thing? _________________________ Cayugas: $1 million unpaid property taxes by April in SC.
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#1341458 - 04/28/12 02:58 PM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: Paws&Claws]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34300 Loc: Reality	Quote: This was a 6 week old kitten. Same as a 6 week old baby. Not really; they're different species, after all. FI, a 1 yr old cat is about equivalent to an 18 yr old child. http://www.calculatorcat.com/cats/cat-years.phtml So, we should figure a 6 wk old baby as younger than a 6 wk old cat. According to other, probably newer, sources, the longest living cat was 38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_%28cat%29 The article table doesn't go up to 19.5, unfortunately, which my cat is, but I'll guess he's about 100. _________________________ Well I know what's right, I got just one life... But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down Petty
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#1341459 - 04/28/12 02:59 PM Re: Romulus Cruelty Case [Re: kyle585]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34300 Loc: Reality	Quote: A lower court than a town court? Is there such a thing? Sure. There are village courts, FI, although, as you allude, there is no Village of Romulus. _________________________ Well I know what's right, I got just one life... But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down Petty
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