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#1338578 - 04/15/12 07:45 AM

Coyotes on Depot

MoodyCat
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Registered: 10/24/00
Posts: 2043
Loc: South of 336

This morning for the first time in my 30+ years of living in the area I saw a coyote inside the depot fence. It sent about 20 deer who were feeding along the fence scattering and you could tell for about 1 mile of the fence that all the deer were on alert. I drive the 96A portion of the fence daily, have done so for several years at many different times of day, and have never seen one until this morning.

I know there's an annual deer hunt, but is anything done to control the coyote population inside the fence? Other than deer disappearing is there anyone (person or group) keeping track of the size of the coyote population inside the fence?

*No crackpot responses needed, I'm just curious and thought I would ask.*

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#1338620 - 04/15/12 12:15 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: MoodyCat]
Carerinoa Carerinoa Senior Member Registered: 04/19/06 Posts: 3191 Loc: New York	If there is a group that controls inside the fence, I wish they would form a control group for outside the fence. My neighborhood is loaded with coyotes $\:\($ _________________________ ~ Say What You Mean And Mean What You Say ~
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#1338642 - 04/15/12 01:38 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Carerinoa]
Oompa Oompa Senior Member Registered: 01/17/04 Posts: 6813 Loc: Finger Lakes, NY	Yes Moody. There is someone inside trapping them.
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#1338648 - 04/15/12 01:56 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Oompa]
MoodyCat MoodyCat Senior Member Registered: 10/24/00 Posts: 2043 Loc: South of 336	Thanks Oompa.
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#1338680 - 04/15/12 03:50 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Carerinoa]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34280 Loc: Reality	Originally Posted By: Carerinoa If there is a group that controls inside the fence, I wish they would form a control group for outside the fence. My neighborhood is loaded with coyotes $\:\($ Yes, they are all over the place, and have been, since long before the Conquest. And there are still deer. Of course, coyotes don't selectively kill the brown ones, thus making a herd that is disproportionately and unnaturally skewed towards whiteness. Coyotes don't run exotic game farms, with imprisoned animals; they just chow down. _________________________ The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay (1872)
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#1338693 - 04/15/12 05:17 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	"...all over the place." They certainly are. There's a pack that routinely travels nearby. They move during the dark hours and although I've not actually seen them, their voices are quite audible, the calls and yelps possess an uncanny resemblance to teenagers madly laughing while running through the woods. Eerie indeed. With the overpopulation of white tailed deer we can be thankful for these venison-loving free rangers. _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1338698 - 04/15/12 05:28 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Ayuveda]
twocats twocats Silver Member Registered: 02/09/10 Posts: 10731 Loc: NYS	Coyotes are one of the most adaptable animals on the planet. They have made homes in all sorts of climates and even in some major urban areas. Coyotes are one the most adaptable animals. They live everywhere in Colorado from the dry shortgrass prairie and semidesert shrublands to all the way up in the high alpine life zone. Coyotes even have adapted to living in cities. One of the major reasons they can live in so many places is that they are not picky eaters. They will eat insects, rodents, rabbits, eggs, birds, lizards, snakes, frogs, toads, sick larger animals, carrion (dead animals), fruit, berries, and vegetables. They are about the size of medium-sized dog so they do not need as much food as the bigger wolves and mountain lions. Coyotes are adaptable in other ways too. They can have grow a thick coat of fur to stay higher in the mountains or a thinner coat of hair to stay in the hot semidesert shrublands. They can be active in the night or during the day, but they prefer the early mornings and late evenings. Coyotes are very social animals and usually live and hunt in packs. Coyotes communicate with their eerie howl, yips, and growls. There is a very good reason why they are usually the tricksters in Native American legends. Coyotes can live up to their reputation of being sly, sneaky, and tricky. Large numbers of coyotes have been killed by humans. Yet, they reproduce quickly and their overall population still is healthy. Coyotes are one of the most remarkably adaptable animals. Sources of information and to find more information: Nature Works, CO Div of Wildlife, Southwest Wildlife _________________________ How come we play War, not Peace? Too few role models. Calvin & Hobbes
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#1338708 - 04/15/12 05:52 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34280 Loc: Reality	I heard them very often at my old house, and once saw one 200 ft in back of the house. I hear them all the time here; we're next to the some of the Town DPW offices and salt barn, which are in the village, with large fields behind us. Lotsa country here in the hills, even in the village, still;, there are no through streets connecting E Main and North St., or E. Main and Lee road, which parallels E. Main, about 3/4 mi away. _________________________ The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay (1872)
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#1338711 - 04/15/12 05:55 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: twocats]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	Cool background info. Beautiful animals. _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1338712 - 04/15/12 05:57 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: twocats]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34280 Loc: Reality	One thing to note is that the coyotes (AKA Prairey Wolf) is much bigger where there are no other wolf types. Where they coexist, the bigger coyotes challenge the wolves, and they always lose, which keeps the breeding individuals to a smaller size. Edited by VM Smith (04/15/12 06:02 PM) _________________________ The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay (1872)
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#1338713 - 04/15/12 05:59 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	The Eastern coyote. _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1338716 - 04/15/12 06:01 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: twocats]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34280 Loc: Reality	Quote: Coyotes are one of the most remarkably adaptable animals. [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTT0mJNy_X1AvCTS5cukf2uW4STPi8mP-cH6Out-Fv9vTWe7GHR[/img] Edited by VM Smith (04/15/12 06:03 PM) _________________________ The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay (1872)
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#1338718 - 04/15/12 06:05 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34280 Loc: Reality	My friend "Kraut" has a coyote coat. Some people will whine, but they're a renewable resource. Beautiful animal, beautiful coat. That particular coyote certainly cooled off, but Kraut stays toasty. _________________________ The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay (1872)
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#1338719 - 04/15/12 06:06 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	"Having children is an acquired taste." -Wiley E. _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1338720 - 04/15/12 06:09 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Ayuveda]
VM Smith VM Smith Diamond Member Registered: 11/28/05 Posts: 34280 Loc: Reality	It is only when one steps back and summarizes Swift's argument in "A Modest Proposal" to raise children for the purposes of breeding and eating that it seems absurd. He does an extremely effective job of pulling the reader into the details and why they make sense by appealing to our monetary desires. If we want to save money, have more food and fewer nuisances why don't we kill our own children and eat them? It is an attack directly at the consumption craze that seems to be taking over. The satire here comes from the extremist point of view that Swift is arguing for with such normalcy. _________________________ The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay (1872)
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#1338722 - 04/15/12 06:12 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: VM Smith]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	Spotted a recently struck, intact coyote road killed a few years ago. Stopped to check it out. A beautiful coat indeed. _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1338724 - 04/15/12 06:17 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: Ayuveda]
twocats twocats Silver Member Registered: 02/09/10 Posts: 10731 Loc: NYS	Originally Posted By: Ayuveda Cool background info. Beautiful animals. I use 'coyote as trickster' stories often in my lessons. I even occasionally break the rules and show students a video clip like this of coyotes in action, just so they have a feel for the real thing. _________________________ How come we play War, not Peace? Too few role models. Calvin & Hobbes
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#1338744 - 04/15/12 07:09 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: twocats]
WilllOWisp WilllOWisp Senior Member Registered: 03/10/05 Posts: 3671 Loc: Seneca County	We always hear Coyotes howling in the summer. I'm sure they have trolled our property too. _________________________ " Rich People Get Body guards, Poor People get Shot! "
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#1338747 - 04/15/12 07:17 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: WilllOWisp]
Ambient Ambient Member Registered: 02/07/05 Posts: 147 Loc: Seneca Falls	I saw a coyote on East Bayard. No kidding. They are everywhere, even Central Park in NYC. You don't seem them because they're A. nocturnal. B. Shy. If they're eating the white deer, that's a good indication that the palate of modern coyotes has been refined. Next evolutionary leap.....Democrats.
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#1338754 - 04/15/12 07:30 PM Re: Coyotes on Depot [Re: twocats]
Josephus Josephus Senior Member Registered: 08/25/00 Posts: 9010 Loc: NYS	Originally Posted By: twocats Originally Posted By: Ayuveda Cool background info. Beautiful animals. I use 'coyote as trickster' stories often in my lessons. I even occasionally break the rules and show students a video clip like this of coyotes in action, just so they have a feel for the real thing. Why is that breaking the rules, twocats? _________________________ I don't want my country back... I want my country forward!
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