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#1338112 - 04/12/12 08:03 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Mr. Baiter]
educated voter
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#1338114 - 04/12/12 08:11 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: educated voter]
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That whatever better not have directed at me, voter!
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#1338155 - 04/12/12 10:55 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Town Resident]
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Originally Posted By: Town Resident
Back to the original topic we go, our police chief should live in the community he serves. That is the pathetic reason why you all say you need a town force. The officers live here and their kids go to our schools. The officers are known by all. Hate to break it to ya, but my daughter has classmates with a trooper's kid and a sheriff's kid. Another desperate attempt to scare the misinformed and easily confused voter.

God bless
What pathetic reason do you speak of two-tongues? Your original post of misinformation was intended to upset the good people and was meant to help your MOB grow followers. Misinforming is all you and Lower Laker do. Keep going to the Town meetings like you guys always do, I'm usually in the back watching the circus you 2 put on.
Originally Posted By: Town Resident
That whatever better not have directed at me, voter!
Apparently the Police are needed to protect us from keyboard gangsters like yourself... ;\)


Edited by FL1 Staff (04/13/12 01:08 PM)

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#1338222 - 04/13/12 10:02 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: ExVillager]
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Not one of you complainers on here would want to be told where to live. So why the hypocrisy in demanding where the police chief lives? Suck it up and deal with the fact that the police department isn't going anywhere.

If the law where changed today that public votes would be needed in situations like this it wouldn't affect this case at all.

If the chief was a neighbor to some of you, you would all want to know him and drop his name if you got pulled over but then you all would slink back to your computers and bash away.

Get over yourselves.
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#1338474 - 04/14/12 11:51 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
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This is not about the police department. This is about the taxpayers having a chance to vote and decide whether we, as a majority, want to pay for a service. We should have the right to look at other options and decide what we, as a majority, want for our community. The pd supporters make this a personal attack on the pd. The pd should support its community and let the voters make a decision.

I am one of many people in this community that feel it was very unethical and unprofessional that the sfpd officers went door to door in uniform and pleaded for people not to vote for dissolition. That was wrong. It was also wrong for the officers to be in attendance while in uniform at dissolution meetings. If you disagree, check with the ag's office. Read their literature on that topic. It is called intimidation.

There is no question whether the sfpd will inflate. I am one of many that would like to know what the budget will look like in a year or two. Officers are not putting in for overtime right now, but wait until they do.

We should have the right to decide. I am calling on oir town board to do the right thing. Don't let me down, Mr. Earle and Mr. Bove. You both know we should have a choice and both know that there are cheaper and better alternatives.

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#1338481 - 04/14/12 12:15 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Not one of you complainers on here would want to be told where to live. So why the hypocrisy in demanding where the police chief lives? Suck it up and deal with the fact that the police department isn't going anywhere.


You know what a carpetbagger is?

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#1338506 - 04/14/12 03:03 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
VM Smith
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Not one of you complainers on here would want to be told where to live.


There are many private sector jobs where the person is told where to live, for reasons of practical convenience, and efficiency and efficacy in exercising control over that which he is given responsibility for. If the person wants the job, he acquiesces to the requirement.

I state not what this specific job requirement should be, but only that employers have a natural, common-sense right to set job requirements, no matter what the law may say, or may not, in cases like this.
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#1338590 - 04/15/12 09:53 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Town Resident]
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Registered: 04/01/12
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Originally Posted By: Town Resident
This is not about the police department. This is about the taxpayers having a chance to vote and decide whether we, as a majority, want to pay for a service. We should have the right to look at other options and decide what we, as a majority, want for our community. The pd supporters make this a personal attack on the pd. The pd should support its community and let the voters make a decision.


I don't remember ever having a vote to decide if I wanted a street and water department. If I wanted a police department or even a fire department. No voting on code enforcement or a historical society. I didn't vote if i wanted a dog warden.

Originally Posted By: Town Resident
I am one of many people in this community that feel it was very unethical and unprofessional that the sfpd officers went door to door in uniform and pleaded for people not to vote for dissolition. That was wrong. It was also wrong for the officers to be in attendance while in uniform at dissolution meetings. If you disagree, check with the ag's office. Read their literature on that topic. It is called intimidation.


I am one of many, I feel, in this community that feel that the officers have a right to their opinions. They are taxpayers and members of this community and have a right to attend any and all meetings. What they wear doesn't matter.

I am not sure why you are complaining. By them going door to door, so you say, trying to get people to vote no would only stand to H-E-L-P you. The village employee's I talked to didn't want this either. It was forced down their throats also.

You sit here and cry for your opinion to be heard but at the same time denounce others for doing the same thing. Then complain that they tried to help you.

Originally Posted By: Town Resident
There is no question whether the sfpd will inflate. I am one of many that would like to know what the budget will look like in a year or two. Officers are not putting in for overtime right now, but wait until they do.


Of course it will. It won't be the fault of the pd. It is the town board who passes the budget. Not the chief, not the officer, not the secretary, but the board. Don't like it, vote the bums out.



Originally Posted By: Town Resident
We should have the right to decide. I am calling on oir town board to do the right thing. Don't let me down, Mr. Earle and Mr. Bove. You both know we should have a choice and both know that there are cheaper and better alternatives.


Ok so you have a vote and the vote is to do away with the pd. Then what? A couple may retire. The rest will all be absorbed by the sheriff's department. And you still won't see a savings. Because the same amount of people will still be on the taxpayers payroll.
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#1338591 - 04/15/12 09:55 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hot Burrito]
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Originally Posted By: Hot Burrito
You know what a carpetbagger is?


Yes and I know who. Hillary Clinton and Barry Soetoro.
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#1338595 - 04/15/12 09:58 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
There are many private sector jobs where the person is told where to live, for reasons of practical convenience, and efficiency and efficacy in exercising control over that which he is given responsibility for. If the person wants the job, he acquiesces to the requirement.

I state not what this specific job requirement should be, but only that employers have a natural, common-sense right to set job requirements, no matter what the law may say, or may not, in cases like this.


Ok then, the board didn't set a residency requirement. Blame the board. They knew where he was living.
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#1338599 - 04/15/12 10:16 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
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The rest will all be absorbed by the sheriff's department. And you still won't see a savings. Because the same amount of people will still be on the taxpayers payroll.


Some may, not will all, be absorbed by the Sheriffs, but the SCSD isn't a make work program; they will hire only as many as they need, as positions open up, and they won't be hired at the bloated salaries of the SFPD, and there are the savings one could reasonably expect.
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#1338605 - 04/15/12 10:25 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: VM Smith]
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You don't know that all won't be hired. The town has a multi-million dollar budget. A couple less cops and a couple less cop cars won't shrink your our bill.
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#1338617 - 04/15/12 11:20 AM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
VM Smith
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
You don't know that all won't be hired. The town has a multi-million dollar budget. A couple less cops and a couple less cop cars won't shrink your our bill.


No...I, or anyone else, can't know whether they all, or any, will be hired or not.

And a couple more or fewer cops or cars, even if the cops are hired at the ridiculous salaries of the SFPD, won't do anything to my tax bill. It'll do it to yours, and to that of all of the other long-suffering SF taxpayers; I've escaped Seneca County, and that is such a relief.

I can still give a valid, informed opinion, but it's disinterested, because that incompetent government, at least, is no longer battened onto my neck, bleeding me dry.

If you enjoy that, then stay. And sit. And roll over. Good boy!


Edited by VM Smith (04/15/12 11:35 AM)
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#1338624 - 04/15/12 12:33 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: VM Smith]
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Yes, incompetent government is still attached to your neck and sucking you dry.

I was born and raised in the village and I still proudly tell people I live in the village. I voted no for the dissolution. I wasn't dumb enough to believe I would see $1000 savings on my tax bill like some idiots.

I enjoy what I have in Seneca Falls. I am not going to run away because the cops get paid. SFPD still get paid less than the troopers. So I will sit and stay. No problem.

I don't believe for one second you left Seneca County because they were bleeding you dry.
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#1338629 - 04/15/12 12:49 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
VM Smith
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Yes, incompetent government is still attached to your neck and sucking you dry.


A less incompetent government. I recognize various degrees of oppression. I've been around the block enough times to know that Utopia is not an option, and I don't get too upset when it doesn't magically appear. I enjoyed life there, but I enjoy it more here.

When I do think the level of oppression is too high, I'll move, if I can. That's exactly why my forebears came, and why almost all emigrants migrate.Some will stay, for whatever reasons.

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I don't believe for one second you left Seneca County because they were bleeding you dry.


I certainly didn't leave because I think it's a wonderful place. So tell me...why did I leave, since you claim to know my mind?


Edited by VM Smith (04/15/12 01:02 PM)
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#1338689 - 04/15/12 04:55 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Yes, incompetent government is still attached to your neck and sucking you dry.

I was born and raised in the village and I still proudly tell people I live in the village. I voted no for the dissolution. I wasn't dumb enough to believe

I would see $1000 savings on my tax bill like some idiots.

I enjoy what I have in Seneca Falls. I am not going to run away because the cops get paid.

SFPD still get paid less than the troopers. So I will sit and stay. No problem.

I don't believe for one second you left Seneca County because they were bleeding you dry.


I saved more than $1000.00. Although the continued savings will take a while longer. Didn't the Town board have to pay tax penalties that the village administration incurred from not paying the taxes ontime. Good Riddance.

Police officers have a limited local jurisdiction, usually within the boundaries of a town.(their pay should not commensurate with Troopers) A Trooper, on the other hand, has jurisdiction and enforces the law over the entire state.
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#1339181 - 04/17/12 12:53 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
So tell me...why did I leave, since you claim to know my mind?



Where you feeling oppressed? Depressed? Supressed?
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#1339182 - 04/17/12 12:54 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Jseemore]
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Originally Posted By: Jseemore
I saved more than $1000.00. Although the continued savings will take a while longer.



I don't believe it for a second.
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#1339203 - 04/17/12 03:19 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: Hard Corps]
VM Smith
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
So tell me...why did I leave, since you claim to know my mind?



Where you feeling oppressed? Depressed? Supressed?


Since you don't, for one second, believe what I said, then tell me why I did leave, Carnac the Magnificent. You ask me where I was feeling oppressed, and I'll tell you where, besides in the American Empire, in general: Seneca County.
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#1339218 - 04/17/12 04:28 PM Re: very disappointed in seneca falls town board [Re: VM Smith]
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Who is in charge of the streets? Ref: taking down signs such as "Watch for children" that have been up from 1976. Yea! my sign is gone,stolen or the fools in charge do not think we need it. Oh well when a ball,etc goes through a windshield of a racing up and down the street to show off don`t call me.
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