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#1337041 - 04/07/12 07:50 PM Re: will it go on [Re: Denver]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Denver
Leave it alone, The most of you just want to complain about something. It is working they have more vol. and more are showing up per call.
And I bet those that are complaining don't vol. for anything. Stop and think how much time goes into training, wear and tear on there cars etc., plus gas isn't cheap either. The minute the alarm goes off they are up and running no matter where they are. They could be at the Wagner or Keuka eating or they are in church, they get up and leave to go to the emergency.



Not at all. The chiefs were paying themselves a salary and stealing money from us taxpayers. Why would the chief pay himself a salary when he gets a car and gas for it? That's robbery plain and simple. If the VB wasn't full of firemen he should have been made to reimburse the village for the money he stole at a minimum. Nothing will happen though because firemen aren't going to go against each other. Why do you bring up that lame argument about people against the firemen. That's a bunch of crap and you know it. It's not about the rank and file It's about the chiefs who stole from the village and should be held accountable.

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#1337050 - 04/07/12 08:47 PM Re: will it go on [Re: PY tax Payer]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
1) How many volunteers did the PYFD have in 2000 when PY's LOSAP was passed, and how many are there now. It is my understanding the number have dropped a lot. (I could be wrong, but that is what I've heard) If LOSAP was to entice new members, It think it hasn't work.

Also, I believe the state wanted the point system to be almost uniform across the state so that if a firefighter mover from one part of New York to another the points would follow him/her and the system would be similar.

The volunteers firefighters from every fire department in the state has to deal with gas prices, being taken away from dinners, or those 3 AM calls. How many departments have LOSAP in the state? Branchport/Keuka Park does not. Himrod does not. Dresden does not. Dundee does, and they follow the state's point system, they have their board approve the list on time.

2) I agree that it is not healthy to have a majority of the Village Board as firefighters. As a Trustee and a firefighter it must be very difficult not to be bias when making a decision about the Fire Department.

In two years firefighters Mayor Church, Trustee Winslow and Trustee Allison's seats will be up for re-election. There will also be Trustee Dave Reeve's seat will be up. Plenty of time to find candidates.

3) I'm not sure a second Article 78 will be filed. If it is, I hope the Judge rules on the Merit of the program.

If it goes towards the Village--good--the fire department has been following the law/rules.

If it go against the Village there needs to be an answer to other questions---what happens next? Will the fire fighters who didn't qualify in certain years lose that credit? Will the firefighter who are being paid monthly lose their monthly checks? Will the whole Program be done away with? And most important---Will the fire fighters sue the Village?

4) Does anyone know when the filing of the new Article 78 needs to be done by if there is going to be one?


Edited by McLovin' (04/08/12 01:17 AM)
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#1337092 - 04/08/12 06:22 AM Re: will it go on [Re: McLovin']
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
1) How many volunteers did the PYFD have in 2000 when PY's LOSAP was passed, and how many are there now. It is my understanding the number have dropped a lot. (I could be wrong, but that is what I've heard) If LOSAP was to entice new members, It think it hasn't work.

Also, I believe the state wanted the point system to be almost uniform across the state so that if a firefighter mover from one part of New York to another the points would follow him/her and the system would be similar.

The volunteers firefighters from every fire department in the state has to deal with gas prices, being taken away from dinners, or those 3 AM calls. How many departments have LOSAP in the state? Branchport/Keuka Park does not. Himrod does not. Dresden does not. Dundee does, and they follow the state's point system, they have their board approve the list on time.

2) I agree that it is not healthy to have a majority of the Village Board as firefighters. As a Trustee and a firefighter it must be very difficult not to be bias when making a decision about the Fire Department.

In two years firefighters Mayor Church, Trustee Winslow and Trustee Allison's seats will be up for re-election. There will also be Trustee Dave Reeve's seat will be up. Plenty of time to find candidates.

3) I'm not sure a second Article 78 will be filed. If it is, I hope the Judge rules on the Merit of the program.

If it goes towards the Village--good--the fire department has been following the law/rules.

If it go against the Village there needs to be an answer to other questions---what happens next? Will the fire fighters who didn't qualify in certain years lose that credit? Will the firefighter who are being paid monthly lose their monthly checks? Will the whole Program be done away with? And most important---Will the fire fighters sue the Village?

4) Does anyone know when the filing of the new Article 78 needs to be done by if there is going to be one?
Yes, by the 18 of April and two will be filed.

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#1337099 - 04/08/12 07:48 AM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
yatesgirl
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Registered: 08/19/11
Posts: 76
Loc: NYS
Originally Posted By: molly rose
Tt is the responsibility of the board. At the time (1999) it should have beed addressed at the time from their att. as to the procedures that needed to be done following the adoption. It had been done the same way (obviously) until it was discovered. Now,it is being addressed. There were no criminals here. I`m sure anyone can find something that is not being followed to the T.From what I have heard, the former trustee did not have a solution to this. The one thing that he did do was to resign from the board so that he could file the Art.78.9, with help of course)
I often hear the argument that this mess is the Village Attorney’s fault. I disagree. The village attorney drafted the resolution which said “All provisions of the plan will be in accordance with General Municipal Law Article 11-A"; and this is what the Village voters approved.

Therefore it is up to the Village Board to ensure that whoever was tasked to develop the plan should have made sure that it complied with the law.

It seems this task was given to some members of PYFD. So since you did your homework, maybe you can answer the following questions.
1) Who drafted the plan?
2) Did they consult with a lawyer before drafting it? If not, why not?
3. Did the VB even bother to review the plan after it was approved by the PYFD? If not, why not?
4. Did anyone on the VB or any member of the PYFD ask any lawyer to review the plan before it was implemented?
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#1337250 - 04/09/12 10:18 AM Re: will it go on [Re: yatesgirl]
molly rose
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Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 92
Loc: USA
#1. members of the fire dept. #2. can`t be answered. #3 can`t be answered. #4. can`t be answered. No one now on the board can answer. I see that trustee allison was elected to the board in the spring of that year.I see that he abstained from the vote.
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#1337252 - 04/09/12 10:28 AM Re: will it go on [Re: rj1]
molly rose
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Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 92
Loc: USA
I never saw anyplace where it was called a salary. You call them thieves. Robbery ? Oh, thats right, the DA. and comptroller do not know their jobs either. They did not find it true yet you bh, and all your other identities on here call it what you do because you did not get the answer you wanted. Where do you get off ?
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#1337261 - 04/09/12 10:57 AM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
PY tax Payer
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Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 84
Loc: Penn Yan, NY USA
You have it right molly sue..... thanks
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#1337300 - 04/09/12 12:41 PM Re: will it go on [Re: PY tax Payer]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
She certainly does!!
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#1337318 - 04/09/12 02:34 PM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
Originally Posted By: molly rose
#1. members of the fire dept. #2. can`t be answered. #3 can`t be answered. #4. can`t be answered. No one now on the board can answer. I see that trustee allison was elected to the board in the spring of that year.I see that he abstained from the vote.


Where did you see that about Willie?
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#1337376 - 04/09/12 07:35 PM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: molly rose
I never saw anyplace where it was called a salary. You call them thieves. Robbery ? Oh, thats right, the DA. and comptroller do not know their jobs either. They did not find it true yet you bh, and all your other identities on here call it what you do because you did not get the answer you wanted. Where do you get off ?
Where do I get off you ask. I get off at the TRUTH station, hop on, I'll help you learn what's been happening with your tax dollars.

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#1337406 - 04/09/12 11:20 PM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: molly rose
I never saw anyplace where it was called a salary. You call them thieves. Robbery ? Oh, thats right, the DA. and comptroller do not know their jobs either. They did not find it true yet you bh, and all your other identities on here call it what you do because you did not get the answer you wanted. Where do you get off ?


OK you tell me what the checks were for? His vehicle and gas are supplied. If he had legitimate expenses where are the receipts? Church even said on Rochester TV that they were apparently paying themselves.


Edited by rj1 (04/09/12 11:22 PM)

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#1337407 - 04/09/12 11:21 PM Re: will it go on [Re: outlet]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
Stick a fork in BH, he's done \:\) No Jihad here! We will protect the one's who protect us!
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#1337408 - 04/09/12 11:25 PM Re: will it go on [Re: Outsidelookingin]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
Stick a fork in BH, he's done \:\) No Jihad here! We will protect the one's who protect us!



Crooks protecting crooks?

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#1337420 - 04/10/12 06:33 AM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
yatesgirl
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Registered: 08/19/11
Posts: 76
Loc: NYS
Originally Posted By: molly rose
#1. members of the fire dept. #2. can`t be answered. #3 can`t be answered. #4. can`t be answered. No one now on the board can answer. I see that trustee allison was elected to the board in the spring of that year.I see that he abstained from the vote.
I see that you do your homework just like the the current VB does.

So members of the PYFD drafted the plan. Lets see who some of these members were. Oh that's right Bart Winslow, now a current trustee and according to the Mayor the LOSAP guru, "Rap" Rapalee, current village employee. So I guess you are saying the VB can't find either of these two individuals in order to ask them a few questions about how the plan was drafted.

Since the PYFD drafters can't be found by the VB, I guess that none of the former VB members who actual voted on the resolution in April of 1999 can be found either. The ex-mayor must be in hiding at the water treatment plant for the last several months and Gary Smith, former VB board member and Chairman of the Public Safety Committee in April of 99,has skipped town or else is holed up in his office at the college and the rest of the former board members of 1999 VB have lost all memory of what they did as board members between April of 1999 and say June of 2001.

Oh by the way Trustee Allison was elected to the VB in the spring of 1998, one year before the LOSAP was voted on. Please tell me where I can find list of those who actual voted for the resolution and how they voted. All the minutes of the April 99 VB meeting says is that the resolution was approved. It does not say how the members actually voted.

Oh here is another "oh by the way". Trustee Winslow is on record saying that none of the firemen on the drafting committee ever heard of GML Article 11-A. Since this is the law that governs how to run and administer LOSAP, it would be safe to say that the drafting committee probably did not either look at the law or question any attorney while they drafted the plan. If you can find anything that show they did otherwise please let us know.
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#1337421 - 04/10/12 06:43 AM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
yatesgirl
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Registered: 08/19/11
Posts: 76
Loc: NYS
Originally Posted By: molly rose
I never saw anyplace where it was called a salary. You call them thieves. Robbery ? Oh, thats right, the DA. and comptroller do not know their jobs either. They did not find it true yet you bh, and all your other identities on here call it what you do because you did not get the answer you wanted. Where do you get off ?
Take a look at the so called "Hidden Audit" you may find something in their about a stipend being paid to the Chiefs and the fact that the village should have issue them a 1098, but did not do that.

If you can't find a copy of this audit, check with the Village Clerk. She should be very familiar with this audit. After all she knew about long before anyone else knew it existed.
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#1337422 - 04/10/12 06:44 AM Re: will it go on [Re: yatesgirl]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
Did BH cut and paste and send to you, (note above)? Only someone with an enormous amount of free time on their hands would care about the nonsense above.

I also heard Trustee Winslow said the Yankees where going to win the pennant in 2002, did they?

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#1337423 - 04/10/12 07:21 AM Re: will it go on [Re: Outsidelookingin]
yatesgirl
Member


Registered: 08/19/11
Posts: 76
Loc: NYS
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
Did BH cut and paste and send to you, (note above)? Only someone with an enormous amount of free time on their hands would care about the nonsense above.

I also heard Trustee Winslow said the Yankees where going to win the pennant in 2002, did they?
I like how you try to deflect people from talking about things that you disagree with or don't like,

My children do the same thing when they are caught in a lie.

Oh by the way it appears that you also have a lot of time on your hands too. You have put almost three times more posts then I have.
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#1337424 - 04/10/12 07:25 AM Re: will it go on [Re: Outsidelookingin]
outlet
Member


Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
Did BH cut and paste and send to you, (note above)? Only someone with an enormous amount of free time on their hands would care about the nonsense above.

I also heard Trustee Winslow said the Yankees where going to win the pennant in 2002, did they?
Just answer the questions. Clear thinking people actually do the research themselves and come to the obvious conclusion, theft!!!!!

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#1337436 - 04/10/12 11:22 AM Re: will it go on [Re: yatesgirl]
molly rose
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Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 92
Loc: USA
You missed it.Yes, those people are still around that were on the VB, so what ? The VB did question the people that were involved. BH did not. VFIS was instrumental in developeing it.Again, it was not done to rip anybody off. The system worked to benefit the community, and those that qualified. Don`t throw away everything because of a procedure error by the VB. This is a vendetta, because someones feelings got hurt and he did not get his way.
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#1337461 - 04/10/12 01:01 PM Re: will it go on [Re: molly rose]
Mean Gene
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1904
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: molly rose
You missed it.Yes, those people are still around that were on the VB, so what ? The VB did question the people that were involved. BH did not. VFIS was instrumental in developeing it.Again, it was not done to rip anybody off. The system worked to benefit the community, and those that qualified. Don`t throw away everything because of a procedure error by the VB. This is a vendetta, because someones feelings got hurt and he did not get his way.



Again, I would make an argument for the Village to have a Village Manager who would be responsible for overseeing all facets of Village government. The Village needs to consolidate some positions when they become vacant and create a managers position at no extra cost to the taxpayers. Maybe reduce the board size down to five members from seven and abolish a clericial position when one becomes vacant. If that is done the Village board could point their finger at the manager who would be responsible for making sure things are done correctly!! \:\)
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