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#1337309 - 04/09/12 01:25 PM
Re: "There are no atheists in foxholes"
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ProAct
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The God energy and force is infinite. Always was and always will be. An energy/force greater than humans. Its what I believe.
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#1337310 - 04/09/12 01:33 PM
Re: "There are no atheists in foxholes"
[Re: MeRightYouWrong]
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VM Smith
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Registered: 11/28/05
Posts: 34619
Loc: Reality
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There only has to be a beginning and an end for limited human understanding to make sense of it.
Exactly. God was created by Man, in Man's image, because that's all Man could wrap his little brain around, and because most men think they need a god, same as most men think they need a government. In this case, it's an Imaginary Cosmic Ruler, but most people imagine that they'd be lost without it. It's mass mental illness, caused by fear and the desire to be controlled. Not to mention, the desire of some men to use the notion of god (and government) to control other men. That's what I believe. 
Some say that it's easier to believe than not to believe, but that's pretty much Pascal's Wager, and vainly trying to cover all bets is the coward's way out, for an agnostic, free thinker, anyway. It's not an option for me.
Here I stand; I can do no other.--Martin Luther
Edited by VM Smith (04/09/12 02:10 PM)
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#1337341 - 04/09/12 04:36 PM
Re: "There are no atheists in foxholes"
[Re: VM Smith]
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Ayuveda
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Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
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I believe there is love, but it doesn't stand on its own, as a natural force, like gravity. It's an emotion; human love doesn't exist without humans, but gravity does. It's something we feel, and more particularly, that we decide to feel, just as we can decide to hate. It's a force of conscious human will and desire and feeling, and not of nature.
We shouldn't strive to make it other than what it is; we should just be happy that it is.
Must disagree. I believe human love is more than an emotion, rather a profound experience and force of nature that can strike even the most jaded or pessimistic with the force of a hurricane.
On 'belief'. Because we have yet to devise the physical tools of measurement I don't think we should automatically nullify the possible existence of realms yet understood -- or, maybe forgotten over a couple of million years of human hisory.
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#1337343 - 04/09/12 04:56 PM
Re: "There are no atheists in foxholes"
[Re: Ayuveda]
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VM Smith
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Registered: 11/28/05
Posts: 34619
Loc: Reality
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I believe human love is more than an emotion, rather a profound experience and force of nature
How does one measure, define, or quantify that force, then? What mechanism generates it, exactly? You know, like we can describe and measure, and know the origin of, other forces, such as the electromagnetic spectrum.
Because we have yet to devise the physical tools of measurement I don't think we should automatically nullify the possible existence of realms yet understood
I don't automatically nullify them; they're a possibility. That's agnosticism.
But neither will I waste any time on believing in them until there is a jot of evidence to support them, or a single reason to even suppose that they must exist. That would be magical thinking.
Now, you'd better get cracking on developing those tools of measurement; there isn't a single moment to lose before the Rapture cometh. Meanwhile, I'm gonna fire up and do a little realm cruising. 
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