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#1330861 - 03/08/12 09:52 AM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: nolyingpy]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
There is a difference between knowing how our tax money is spent, and blaming the costs on one person. The original statement dealt with how much money was spent on Article 78's brought against the Village in the past 5 years by BH. With going through the Chronicle Express archives on line for the past 5 fiscal years (June 1, 2007-present) There has been only two article 78s mentioned--one by Gene Mitchell, which the last entry ended with the headline "Penn Yan Board agrees to pay stipend" on April 10, 2008, and the present one by Wayne Davidson. Therefore, the answer to the question is: ZERO.

By having people vote 'YES' on this question isn't going to change the answer. If people were really interested in the amount of money spent by our $300 an hour team of lawyers all they have to do is to ask the clerk/treasurer. It is done through the FOIL process. But no one really wants to do that. Why? I can only guess that they really don't want the answer.

CI has brought up that money has been put in the budget for anticipated law suits, and has never been used. Therefore it goes into the surplus (savings) account, and we are taxed again the next year. What a racket. Blame one person for the tax increase, then reap the rewards.

Until someone files a FOIL, this question is mute. It is easy, and you can just sit at home and fill out the form, which is on the village website, email it, and what ever they find will be emailed back to you at no cost. That is if you really want to know.

Hey, it's a nice day. I've wasted enough time at the computer already. I'm going outside for a while. Have a good day.
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#1330916 - 03/08/12 01:35 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: McLovin']
nolyingpy
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Registered: 09/13/11
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Thanks. The question was Article 78's and FOILS. You're right, I can look as well. I think that between JC and BH there have been several filed. They work as a team and it depends how much they dislike a particular person. They certainly have it out for two Board members. At least that is what my search is showing.
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#1330920 - 03/08/12 01:55 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: nolyingpy]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: nolyingpy
Thanks. The question was Article 78's and FOILS. You're right, I can look as well. I think that between JC and BH there have been several filed. They work as a team and it depends how much they dislike a particular person. They certainly have it out for two Board members. At least that is what my search is showing.
Think all you want. Do the research for a change and put up what you find.

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#1330991 - 03/08/12 07:36 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: outlet]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
My research is completed, and my conclusion is you are not any good for our community!
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#1331190 - 03/09/12 05:03 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
j3668py
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Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
My research is completed, and my conclusion is you are not any good for our community!

My research is done, and my conclusion is you are a washed up investigator.

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#1331205 - 03/09/12 06:10 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: j3668py]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: j3668py
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
My research is completed, and my conclusion is you are not any good for our community!

My research is done, and my conclusion is you are a washed up investigator.
dito

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#1331217 - 03/09/12 08:30 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: outlet]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY

Investigator? No, investigator not necessary, we just follow the stench.....

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#1334778 - 03/25/12 04:09 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
With everything happening in our economy, cities, town, villages are looking for ways to save money where it makes sense.

I think the Village of Penn Yan has some very low hanging fruit where is could save a lot money. I think it would be worth the effort for someone within the Village to do an accounting of all the FOILS, Article 78’s that have occurred in our Village over the last 5 years, which have been conceived from BH. Please keep in mind, every time he walks into a Village office we are paying to support his requests.

As we all know, the individuals who create the Article 78’s have absolutely nothing to lose except time and perhaps credibility, but if the person has no credibility to begin with, what’s stopping them?

I am certainly aware that the employees of the Village are very busy, but I’m guessing there are many people within our community that would like to know what we have spent as tax payers. Quite frankly it's time to turn the tables on a very select few within our community, and the bulls eye should be on BH.
Just wait and see how much he saves for the taxpayers when judge Bender renders his firegate decision, lots $$$$$$$$$$,

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#1334783 - 03/25/12 05:20 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: outlet]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
And how much money have the taxpayers in our community wasted on you? I’m hoping we can chip in a little more and give you a bath!!
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#1334787 - 03/25/12 05:46 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
And how much money have the taxpayers in our community wasted on you? I’m hoping we can chip in a little more and give you a bath!!
just pay your taxes. junior

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#1334810 - 03/25/12 08:24 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
j3668py
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Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 471
Loc: new york
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
At MeanGene: Are Article 78's important/useful? Of course but you're missing my point.

How much money has BH cost the tax payers in our village over the last 5, 10 years? That's all I want to know
You're a sore loser, bh is in charge and u can't handle it. Game over and you have lost, suck it up small change.

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#1334817 - 03/25/12 08:55 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: j3668py]
McLovin'
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Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
I thought this thread was over. I thought Outsidelookingin would have gotten 10,000 'Yeses', since he said that 10,000 people in Penn Yan are all against Hawley. Kinda difficult since there are barely 5000 people living in the Village!

Bender is taking a long time researching this case. If he thought Davidson's lawsuit was frivolous, he would have been done in a week. The longer it takes the worst it is for the firefighters.
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#1334938 - 03/26/12 07:08 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: McLovin']
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
"Bender is taking a long time researching this case. If he thought Davidson's lawsuit was frivolous, he would have been done in a week. The longer it takes the worst it is for the firefighters. "

If this were a movie, I would agree...........

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#1334942 - 03/26/12 07:42 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
"Bender is taking a long time researching this case. If he thought Davidson's lawsuit was frivolous, he would have been done in a week. The longer it takes the worst it is for the firefighters. "

If this were a movie, I would agree...........
No movie, reality tv!

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#1335026 - 03/27/12 03:10 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: outlet]
Mean Gene
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1906
Loc: Yates County
Here are some quotes on a study done by the "Center For Public Integrity" when they examined issues concerning Accountability and ethics in State Governement. The statements certainly apply to local governments as well. The following quotes are attributed to goverments which received an F rating.

"One of the most widespread issues throughout state governments is the lack of public access to information"

"If the citizens can't see how their state does business & decision making, thats the real problem"

In rural settings where everyone knows everyone a relaxed attitude leads to a lack of reporting by elected officials.

Food for thought! \:\)
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#1335068 - 03/27/12 10:09 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Mean Gene]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY
"One of the most widespread issues throughout state governments is the lack of public access to information" These are pretty large swipes, could you be a bit more specific in how it relates to our community?

"If the citizens can't see how their state does business & decision making, thats the real problem" Same comment, (see above).

"In rural settings where everyone knows everyone a relaxed attitude leads to a lack of reporting by elected officials."
This last one is sort of a joke and I'd enjoy you sharing this thought with our Mayor, although I don't think he would find your point too amusing. Then again, it's a helluva lot easier to post comments on a forum than addressing thoughts, ideas, in person.

Lastly, I'd have to say there is a big difference between local and state government. Comparing local and state government is like comparing The Chronicle Express and the Wall Street Journal. They both put ink on paper so they must have the same business practices.............food for thought \:\)

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#1335073 - 03/27/12 11:14 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
Mean Gene
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1906
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin
"One of the most widespread issues throughout state governments is the lack of public access to information" These are pretty large swipes, could you be a bit more specific in how it relates to our community?

"If the citizens can't see how their state does business & decision making, thats the real problem" Same comment, (see above).

"In rural settings where everyone knows everyone a relaxed attitude leads to a lack of reporting by elected officials."
This last one is sort of a joke and I'd enjoy you sharing this thought with our Mayor, although I don't think he would find your point too amusing. Then again, it's a helluva lot easier to post comments on a forum than addressing thoughts, ideas, in person.

Lastly, I'd have to say there is a big difference between local and state government. Comparing local and state government is like comparing The Chronicle Express and the Wall Street Journal. They both put ink on paper so they must have the same business practices.............food for thought \:\)







Well I'm about 1300 miles away or I would be glad to talk to our Mayor. I know him very well and he knows I am not shy about telling it like I see it.

Case in point regarding the last statement regarding a relaxed attitude and everyone knowing everyone: somehow the former administration ordered an audit without board approval, received the results, ignored the reccomendations and hid the audit from certain board members and the public. \:\)
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#1335174 - 03/28/12 06:59 PM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Mean Gene]
Outsidelookingin
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: NY


You haven't always been 1300 miles away, so I look forward to getting and update on your conversation with our Mayor when you get back to Penn Yan.

PS-I could care less about the former administration, but your post seemed to be pointed at the current administration. Thanks for the clarification.

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#1335224 - 03/29/12 12:57 AM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Outsidelookingin]
Mean Gene
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1906
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin


You haven't always been 1300 miles away, so I look forward to getting and update on your conversation with our Mayor when you get back to Penn Yan.

PS-I could care less about the former administration, but your post seemed to be pointed at the current administration. Thanks for the clarification.



Further clarification: One doesn't know which current board members (who were on board with the former Mayor) knew about the "hidden audit". If I worked in the local media when that situation became known I would have called to interview the players to clear the air on the matter. Apparently asking questions like that would upset people so it was never done.
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#1335241 - 03/29/12 08:22 AM Re: Low hanging fruit, (savings), for Penn Yan [Re: Mean Gene]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: Outsidelookingin


You haven't always been 1300 miles away, so I look forward to getting and update on your conversation with our Mayor when you get back to Penn Yan.

PS-I could care less about the former administration, but your post seemed to be pointed at the current administration. Thanks for the clarification.


Further clarification: One doesn't know which current board members (who were on board with the former Mayor) knew about the "hidden audit". If I worked in the local media when that situation became known I would have called to interview the players to clear the air on the matter. Apparently asking questions like that would upset people so it was never done.
Exactly!


Edited by outlet (03/29/12 08:22 AM)

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