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#1327863 - 02/25/12 05:20 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: twocats]
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Thanks for that! Truly....:)
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#1327897 - 02/25/12 09:17 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: twocats]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: twocats
I would rather not have it at all. Wind and solar power are the ways of the future. Building the infrastructure to support these methods will be costly, but all infrastructures (pipelines, highways, electric grids) are costly. I believe in protecting our water and the natural beauty of this area.
I'm not against wind and solar but at this time they are not economicly feasible. We need to use our resources that we have now and put Americans back to work and bring in tax revenue while perfecting alternatives.

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#1327918 - 02/26/12 01:01 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: twocats
I would rather not have it at all. Wind and solar power are the ways of the future. Building the infrastructure to support these methods will be costly, but all infrastructures (pipelines, highways, electric grids) are costly. I believe in protecting our water and the natural beauty of this area.
I'm not against wind and solar but at this time they are not economicly feasible.




You're not serious.

Investing in a sustainable energy future using such proven methods is most certainly wiser than the short-term and potentially dangerous hydrofracking extraction of a non-renewable resource.
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#1328014 - 02/26/12 08:08 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: twocats
I would rather not have it at all. Wind and solar power are the ways of the future. Building the infrastructure to support these methods will be costly, but all infrastructures (pipelines, highways, electric grids) are costly. I believe in protecting our water and the natural beauty of this area.
I'm not against wind and solar but at this time they are not economicly feasible.




You're not serious.

Investing in a sustainable energy future using such proven methods is most certainly wiser than the short-term and potentially dangerous hydrofracking extraction of a non-renewable resource.
Wind and solar are not economicly feasible right now without government subsidies. One of my own guides for myself is if it can't be built or ran without government subsidies then don't do it. Fracking can be done safely and economicly right now. It can give this state and country a economic boost that it needs desperately. Are there going to be accidents? Of course there are. Any industrial setting from farming to manufacturing has accidents. You just have to have a response plan in place to mitigate the damage.


Edited by rj1 (02/26/12 08:09 PM)

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#1328035 - 02/26/12 10:57 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: twocats
I would rather not have it at all. Wind and solar power are the ways of the future. Building the infrastructure to support these methods will be costly, but all infrastructures (pipelines, highways, electric grids) are costly. I believe in protecting our water and the natural beauty of this area.
I'm not against wind and solar but at this time they are not economicly feasible.




You're not serious.

Investing in a sustainable energy future using such proven methods is most certainly wiser than the short-term and potentially dangerous hydrofracking extraction of a non-renewable resource.
Wind and solar are not economicly feasible right now without government subsidies. One of my own guides for myself is if it can't be built or ran without government subsidies then don't do it. Fracking can be done safely and economicly right now. It can give this state and country a economic boost that it needs desperately. Are there going to be accidents? Of course there are. Any industrial setting from farming to manufacturing has accidents. You just have to have a response plan in place to mitigate the damage.



You're parroting industry talking points - again.
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#1328039 - 02/26/12 11:17 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: twocats
I would rather not have it at all. Wind and solar power are the ways of the future. Building the infrastructure to support these methods will be costly, but all infrastructures (pipelines, highways, electric grids) are costly. I believe in protecting our water and the natural beauty of this area.
I'm not against wind and solar but at this time they are not economicly feasible.




You're not serious.

Investing in a sustainable energy future using such proven methods is most certainly wiser than the short-term and potentially dangerous hydrofracking extraction of a non-renewable resource.
Wind and solar are not economicly feasible right now without government subsidies. One of my own guides for myself is if it can't be built or ran without government subsidies then don't do it. Fracking can be done safely and economicly right now. It can give this state and country a economic boost that it needs desperately. Are there going to be accidents? Of course there are. Any industrial setting from farming to manufacturing has accidents. You just have to have a response plan in place to mitigate the damage.



You're parroting industry talking points - again.







I'm not parroting anything. These are my beliefs from having a manufacturing background for 35 years.

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#1328050 - 02/26/12 11:42 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Your expansive background...oh how true. hilarious.

You've turned you back on common sense folks who want to protect and improve our waters -- sold-out to the frackers.

I hope you're happy.
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#1328104 - 02/27/12 01:17 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
MeRightYouWrong
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Are there going to be accidents? Of course there are. Any industrial setting from farming to manufacturing has accidents. You just have to have a response plan in place to mitigate the damage.


All it took was one accident in Alaska and the region will never be the same again.

All it took was one accident in the Gulf of Mexico and the region will never be the same again.

All it took was one accident off the coast of Brazil and the region will never be the same again.

All it took was one accident in Japan and the region will never be the same again.

All it will take is one accident in the Finger Lakes and the region will never be the same again.


If a single accident can cause permanent damage, even a 0.001% chance of it happening is too much for me.


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#1328204 - 02/27/12 10:49 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your expansive background...oh how true. hilarious.

You've turned you back on common sense folks who want to protect and improve our waters -- sold-out to the frackers.

I hope you're happy.

No I want our state to prosper again and put people back to work. It's people like you who are ruining our state.

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#1328328 - 02/28/12 08:26 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your expansive background...oh how true. hilarious.

You've turned you back on common sense folks who want to protect and improve our waters -- sold-out to the frackers.

I hope you're happy.

No I want our state to prosper again and put people back to work. It's people like you who are ruining our state.


You're willing chance ruin to our precious water, damage public and private property for short-term gain.

I find that reprehensible.
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#1328345 - 02/29/12 12:22 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your expansive background...oh how true. hilarious.

You've turned you back on common sense folks who want to protect and improve our waters -- sold-out to the frackers.

I hope you're happy.

No I want our state to prosper again and put people back to work. It's people like you who are ruining our state.


You're willing chance ruin to our precious water, damage public and private property for short-term gain.

I find that reprehensible.
People like you blow everthing way out of proportion. All the times you people cry wolf and nothing ever happens such as Guardian Glass. Fracking has been done for years and there are thousands of wells drilled some of which are in WNY. I don't see any widespread pollution from them.


Edited by rj1 (02/29/12 12:23 AM)

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#1328348 - 02/29/12 12:59 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
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Oil companies spend a lot of money on public relations and always seem to get enough support. That's why in 2012 we're still pumping oil and gas out of the ground when we could've been using cheaper and more sustainable fuel by now. So long as the people never make a demand to change, it never will.

Too bad Nikola Tesla was black-balled. We might've had free electricity decades ago.

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#1328683 - 03/01/12 12:55 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
Oil companies spend a lot of money on public relations and always seem to get enough support. That's why in 2012 we're still pumping oil and gas out of the ground when we could've been using cheaper and more sustainable fuel by now. So long as the people never make a demand to change, it never will.

Too bad Nikola Tesla was black-balled. We might've had free electricity decades ago.

You can't get anything done. Everytime you try and propose alternatives you've got wack job tree huggers trying to disrupt everything from supposed unsightly windmills to natural gas drilling which would enable us to run vehicles on natural gas and get rid of foreign oil.

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#1328746 - 03/01/12 09:09 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
MeRightYouWrong
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I think it's more along the lines of the energy companies like their monopoly and block any attempts by anybody else to introduce alternative energy to the market. Nikola Tesla was black-balled by Edison and others well before there were "tree huggers trying to disrupt everything from supposed unsightly windmills to natural gas drilling which would enable us to run vehicles on natural gas and get rid of foreign oil".

The first hydrogen car was invented in 1807. Why haven't we been driving hygrogen-fueled cars by now? You can't blame the "tree huggers" for that one.

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#1328761 - 03/01/12 09:41 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
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http://www.hydrogen-generators-usa.com/Stan_Meyer.html

Interesting history; thanks for giving the date.
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#1329042 - 03/01/12 08:31 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
I think it's more along the lines of the energy companies like their monopoly and block any attempts by anybody else to introduce alternative energy to the market. Nikola Tesla was black-balled by Edison and others well before there were "tree huggers trying to disrupt everything from supposed unsightly windmills to natural gas drilling which would enable us to run vehicles on natural gas and get rid of foreign oil".

The first hydrogen car was invented in 1807. Why haven't we been driving hygrogen-fueled cars by now? You can't blame the "tree huggers" for that one.

Hydrogen car technology isn't cost effective right now. GM has a big R&D facility in Honeoye Falls working on it though.

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#1329160 - 03/02/12 09:04 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
We might've had free electricity decades ago.


how would that be possible?
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#1329232 - 03/02/12 10:57 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: bluezone]
MeRightYouWrong
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Tesla Coils

Tesla was working on transmitting free electricity wirelessly back in 1891. I'm sure we could've perfected the technology by now.

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