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#1326961 - 02/22/12 05:49 PM Dryden - Home Rule Upheld!
Ayuveda
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Yes!


Judge Affirms NY Town's Right to Ban Fracking

Published on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 by Common Dreams


In a victory for opponents of natural gas fracture drilling, or fracking, a New York judge has upheld that the town of Dryden, NY has the right to ban the practice within its borders.

Reuters reports:

In a ruling released late Tuesday, state Supreme Court Justice Phillip Rumsey held that the Ithaca suburb of Dryden's recent ban on gas drilling falls within the authority of local governments to regulate local land use.

Anschutz Exploration Corporation, which owns leases on more than 22,000 acres (8,900 hectares) in the town and has invested $5.1 million in drilling operations there, argued the ban violated a state law designed to create uniform regulations for oil and gas drilling and encourage the extraction of those resources.

"Communities targeted for drilling need the power to determine for themselves when, where, and if fracking is permitted." -Katherine Nadeau

Rumsey disagreed, holding the law was not written to favor the industry, but to regulate it in such a way that "prevents waste ... and protects the rights of all persons."

"Nowhere in the legislative history (of the state oil and gas law) is there any suggestion that the legislature intended — as argued by Anschutz — to encourage the maximum ultimate recovery of oil and gas ... or to preempt local zoning authority," Rumsey wrote.

Fracking is a process in which chemical-laced water and sand are blasted deep below ground to release oil and natural gas trapped within rock formations. It has allowed companies to tap a wealth of new natural gas reserves but critics say the procedure has polluted water and air.

"By upholding Dryden's fracking ban, Judge Rumsey has brought a renewed sense of hope to the many cities and towns concerned with fracking," said Katherine Nadeau, of Environmental Advocates of New York. "Regardless of fracking's documented dangers--particularly New York's failure to study industrial gas drilling's health impacts or responsibly plan for the treatment, transport, or disposal of hazardous fracking waste--the communities targeted for drilling need the power to determine for themselves when, where, and if fracking is permitted." And added, "Courts across New York State should recognize the need to safeguard the rights of our communities."

“This is an important vindication of local democracy—with national ramifications—at a time when it is being trampled in our country by powerful interests like the gas and oil industry,” said Adrian Kuzminski, a moderator for Sustainable Otsego, in a report at EcoWatch.



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#1327043 - 02/22/12 10:33 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Yes!


Judge Affirms NY Town's Right to Ban Fracking

Published on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 by Common Dreams


In a victory for opponents of natural gas fracture drilling, or fracking, a New York judge has upheld that the town of Dryden, NY has the right to ban the practice within its borders.

Reuters reports:

In a ruling released late Tuesday, state Supreme Court Justice Phillip Rumsey held that the Ithaca suburb of Dryden's recent ban on gas drilling falls within the authority of local governments to regulate local land use.

Anschutz Exploration Corporation, which owns leases on more than 22,000 acres (8,900 hectares) in the town and has invested $5.1 million in drilling operations there, argued the ban violated a state law designed to create uniform regulations for oil and gas drilling and encourage the extraction of those resources.

"Communities targeted for drilling need the power to determine for themselves when, where, and if fracking is permitted." -Katherine Nadeau

Rumsey disagreed, holding the law was not written to favor the industry, but to regulate it in such a way that "prevents waste ... and protects the rights of all persons."

"Nowhere in the legislative history (of the state oil and gas law) is there any suggestion that the legislature intended — as argued by Anschutz — to encourage the maximum ultimate recovery of oil and gas ... or to preempt local zoning authority," Rumsey wrote.

Fracking is a process in which chemical-laced water and sand are blasted deep below ground to release oil and natural gas trapped within rock formations. It has allowed companies to tap a wealth of new natural gas reserves but critics say the procedure has polluted water and air.

"By upholding Dryden's fracking ban, Judge Rumsey has brought a renewed sense of hope to the many cities and towns concerned with fracking," said Katherine Nadeau, of Environmental Advocates of New York. "Regardless of fracking's documented dangers--particularly New York's failure to study industrial gas drilling's health impacts or responsibly plan for the treatment, transport, or disposal of hazardous fracking waste--the communities targeted for drilling need the power to determine for themselves when, where, and if fracking is permitted." And added, "Courts across New York State should recognize the need to safeguard the rights of our communities."

“This is an important vindication of local democracy—with national ramifications—at a time when it is being trampled in our country by powerful interests like the gas and oil industry,” said Adrian Kuzminski, a moderator for Sustainable Otsego, in a report at EcoWatch.



Will never hold up on appeal. Not a chance! Your bubble will be burst shortly.

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#1327051 - 02/22/12 10:46 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
That would please your corporate- shilling arse greatly o' hater of clean environment.

NEVER underestimate the power of the people.
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#1327055 - 02/22/12 10:56 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
That would please your corporate- shilling arse greatly o' hater of clean environment.

NEVER underestimate the power of the people.
Not a hater of clean enviroment at all. I'm in favor of the state prospering by bringing in much needed tax money and jobs despite people like you are responsible for NYS declining.

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#1327061 - 02/22/12 11:03 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
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#1327068 - 02/22/12 11:16 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?

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#1327073 - 02/22/12 11:23 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
Senior Member


Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?



Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
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#1327077 - 02/22/12 11:34 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
Member


Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?



Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
If you're calling me a bigot because I love my country then I'm a bigot. This country is a great country to live in and I'll do what I have to do to defend it. I see how when you can't refute the facts you try and attack the presenter. Nice try but not going to take the bait.

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#1327540 - 02/23/12 10:06 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
Senior Member


Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?



Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
If you're calling me a bigot because I love my country then I'm a bigot. This country is a great country to live in and I'll do what I have to do to defend it. I see how when you can't refute the facts you try and attack the presenter. Nice try but not going to take the bait.



I'm calling you out for the racist characterizations of Latinos that resulted in ONE of your bannings, not for any supposed love of country.

And please, refrain from confusing "facts" with your own jaded opinions, it's the height of arrogance.

Want a fact? Here IS one to chew on bigman - you've opted to throw down with the filthy bastards willing to exploit OUR Finger Lakes and Southern Tier regions for temporary gain, rather than unite with the many citizens who desire and work for a SUSTAINABLE future.

Go Frack in Hell.
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#1327627 - 02/24/12 10:51 AM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
Ayuveda
Senior Member


Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
Small Town Gets Court To Ban Fracking
Green groups win a court ruling but does this mean hydraulic fracturing will be halted?


By Eric Niiler
Fri Feb 24, 2012

This week, a New York state judge ruled that the town of Dryden, N.Y., could prohibit fracking as part of its zoning ordinance. It's one of 30 towns throughout central and southern New York that have taken the step. State environmental officials in New York placed a moratorium on fracking while they come up with new regulations to cover oil and gas drilling in the underground geological deposits.

Environmental groups say the ruling is a victory for residents who are concerned that fracking contaminates drinking water supplies by leaking hazardous chemicals like methane that occur in naturally in hydrological deposits, or other toxic compounds that are used to flush out the gas.
green energy

“A number of towns were waiting to see how the litigation gets settled,” said Kate Hudson, watershed program director for the group Riverkeeper. “But nobody thinks it is the end.”

Adam Schultz, a Syracuse attorney who represents the interests of several oil and gas drilling companies, said the New York judge’s ruling was “unfortunate.”

“I don’t think (the ruling) is consistent with the intent of the legislation and it will encourage some communities to think they have some authority that they ultimately will be told they don’t have,” Schultz said. “This is the lowest level court. I’m confident it will be overturned. It’s 180 degrees from what the (New York) legislature intended.”

NEWS: Gas Well Fracked a Big Oops

The oil and gas companies have 30 days to appeal the ruling, which was handed down Feb. 21. The battle between industry and environmental groups in New York is important because other states are watching the outcome.

New York sits on the northern part of a geological region called the Marcellus Shale formation, which may hold enough natural gas to supply the U.S. for about seven years, according to the U.S. Energy Department. U.S. states from Wyoming to West Virginia with underground shale deposits are encouraging fracking even as the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency studies the effects on drinking water and may adopt nationwide regulations, Bloomberg News reported. In Ohio, some seismologists blame fracking for causing a series of earthquakes that hit the Youngstown region late last year.

“Clearly the battleground is what will happen in New York,” said writer and environmental activist Bill McKibben. “That will do a lot to set the template for what happens not only in other parts of America, but in other parts of the world.”

Faced with environmental concerns, France banned fracking in July 2011, and South Africa followed in August 2011, the Economist reported.

ANALYSIS: Will Green Energy Pass Fossil Fuels By 2030?

New York state officials received more than 60,000 public comments on a new set of fracking guidelines that Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he expects to see ready to implement later this year. It’s likely that those rules, as well as the town-by-town bans over fracking, will be headed to court, said Eric Goldstein, senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council and member of an advisory committee reviewing the rules.

“The bottom line is that we ought to respect the views of local governments in determining land uses in their communities,” Goldstein said. “You don’t want the oil and gas industry running roughshod over local municipalities.”
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#1327721 - 02/24/12 05:02 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
Member


Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?


Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
If you're calling me a bigot because I love my country then I'm a bigot. This country is a great country to live in and I'll do what I have to do to defend it. I see how when you can't refute the facts you try and attack the presenter. Nice try but not going to take the bait.



I'm calling you out for the racist characterizations of Latinos that resulted in ONE of your bannings, not for any supposed love of country.

And please, refrain from confusing "facts" with your own jaded opinions, it's the height of arrogance.

Want a fact? Here IS one to chew on bigman - you've opted to throw down with the filthy bastards willing to exploit OUR Finger Lakes and Southern Tier regions for temporary gain, rather than unite with the many citizens who desire and work for a SUSTAINABLE future.

Go Frack in Hell.

If you don't think our country has declined from the over flow of illegal aliens then you have your head in the sand. I'm for jobs and boosting our economy. You wouldn't know what a fact is. Your side has no facts. They only rely on what ifs and scare tactics. Hoping people like you will fall into the gang mentality not realizing the truth.

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#1327745 - 02/24/12 06:53 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: rj1]
Chicago Jesus
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Registered: 01/16/12
Posts: 6616
Loc: Obama's moral compass
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?


Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
If you're calling me a bigot because I love my country then I'm a bigot. This country is a great country to live in and I'll do what I have to do to defend it. I see how when you can't refute the facts you try and attack the presenter. Nice try but not going to take the bait.



I'm calling you out for the racist characterizations of Latinos that resulted in ONE of your bannings, not for any supposed love of country.

And please, refrain from confusing "facts" with your own jaded opinions, it's the height of arrogance.

Want a fact? Here IS one to chew on bigman - you've opted to throw down with the filthy bastards willing to exploit OUR Finger Lakes and Southern Tier regions for temporary gain, rather than unite with the many citizens who desire and work for a SUSTAINABLE future.

Go Frack in Hell.

If you don't think our country has declined from the over flow of illegal aliens then you have your head in the sand. I'm for jobs and boosting our economy. You wouldn't know what a fact is. Your side has no facts. They only rely on what ifs and scare tactics. Hoping people like you will fall into the gang mentality not realizing the truth.
His head isn't in the sand!!
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#1327784 - 02/24/12 11:43 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Chicago Jesus]
Ayuveda
Senior Member


Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?


Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
If you're calling me a bigot because I love my country then I'm a bigot. This country is a great country to live in and I'll do what I have to do to defend it. I see how when you can't refute the facts you try and attack the presenter. Nice try but not going to take the bait.



I'm calling you out for the racist characterizations of Latinos that resulted in ONE of your bannings, not for any supposed love of country.

And please, refrain from confusing "facts" with your own jaded opinions, it's the height of arrogance.

Want a fact? Here IS one to chew on bigman - you've opted to throw down with the filthy bastards willing to exploit OUR Finger Lakes and Southern Tier regions for temporary gain, rather than unite with the many citizens who desire and work for a SUSTAINABLE future.

Go Frack in Hell.

If you don't think our country has declined from the over flow of illegal aliens then you have your head in the sand. I'm for jobs and boosting our economy. You wouldn't know what a fact is. Your side has no facts. They only rely on what ifs and scare tactics. Hoping people like you will fall into the gang mentality not realizing the truth.
His head isn't in the sand!!



Hope you and your traveling companion enjoy the roadtrip into history's tarpits.

See ya.


Don't be scared homie.

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#1327785 - 02/24/12 11:45 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Chicago Jesus]
rj1
Member


Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Looking for scapegoats?

Try blaming the Mexican workers again, that got your racist arse
BANNED last time around.
Not a racist at all. If you are legal and paying your way fine. If your not get out of my country. People who harbor illegals are not true Americans. So we know how you stand don't we?


Your racist terminology of Latinos got you busted last time.

It's obvious where you're coming from.

Best to keep your bigotry in check.
If you're calling me a bigot because I love my country then I'm a bigot. This country is a great country to live in and I'll do what I have to do to defend it. I see how when you can't refute the facts you try and attack the presenter. Nice try but not going to take the bait.



I'm calling you out for the racist characterizations of Latinos that resulted in ONE of your bannings, not for any supposed love of country.

And please, refrain from confusing "facts" with your own jaded opinions, it's the height of arrogance.

Want a fact? Here IS one to chew on bigman - you've opted to throw down with the filthy bastards willing to exploit OUR Finger Lakes and Southern Tier regions for temporary gain, rather than unite with the many citizens who desire and work for a SUSTAINABLE future.

Go Frack in Hell.

If you don't think our country has declined from the over flow of illegal aliens then you have your head in the sand. I'm for jobs and boosting our economy. You wouldn't know what a fact is. Your side has no facts. They only rely on what ifs and scare tactics. Hoping people like you will fall into the gang mentality not realizing the truth.
His head isn't in the sand!!
You are thinking what I was thinking! LMAO!

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#1327831 - 02/25/12 12:54 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
nolyingpy
Member


Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 234
Loc: nolyingpy
I'm confused as to how using the term Mexican is racist. The overwhelming majority if illegals are Mexican. They are from Latin America but of Mexican nationality. It's just what it is and no reason to be banned. You refer to rj1 as rotund, etc? Isn't that discriminatory?

I appreciate the debate on fracking though!


Edited by nolyingpy (02/25/12 12:54 PM)

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#1327842 - 02/25/12 02:44 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: nolyingpy]
Ayuveda
Senior Member


Registered: 04/05/10
Posts: 6367
Loc: Imagine
Originally Posted By: nolyingpy
I'm confused as to how using the term Mexican is racist. The overwhelming majority if illegals are Mexican. They are from Latin America but of Mexican nationality. It's just what it is and no reason to be banned. You refer to rj1 as rotund, etc? Isn't that discriminatory?

I appreciate the debate on fracking though!




I do not disagree with you.

However, poster rj1 was previously banned under a different screen name for repeatedly using racist pejoratives against Latinos in these forums. My comment was directed toward him.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding.
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#1327847 - 02/25/12 03:15 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: Ayuveda]
nolyingpy
Member


Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 234
Loc: nolyingpy
Why not just deal with here and now. Obviously this is a sensitive subject that people are passionate about on both sides. Most are against fracking in their own areas....not elsewhere.

What do you think the answer is to stop our dependence on foreign resources? Serious question. I love the lakes and country. I don't want to see it destroyed. What is an alternative?

Some companies are publically disclosing their chemical composition in that one percent? Would that appease people or would most people prefer not to have it at all?

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#1327848 - 02/25/12 03:36 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: nolyingpy]
twocats
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Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 10778
Loc: NYS
I would rather not have it at all. Wind and solar power are the ways of the future. Building the infrastructure to support these methods will be costly, but all infrastructures (pipelines, highways, electric grids) are costly. I believe in protecting our water and the natural beauty of this area.
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#1327850 - 02/25/12 04:00 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: twocats]
nolyingpy
Member


Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 234
Loc: nolyingpy
I believe completely in preserving natural beauty and the environment. Not sure where the line is to be drawn. There seems to be extremes on both sides. Wind and solar are great but I already have neighbor saying they want to erect wind mill in their yard and from what I know, it will be very loud and huge. Not happening if I can stop it. Loud eyesore but energy efficient. No thanks.
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#1327854 - 02/25/12 04:15 PM Re: Dryden - Home Rule Upheld! [Re: nolyingpy]
twocats
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Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 10778
Loc: NYS
It's possible to do it without disturbing neighbors. I'd do it if I had the money.
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