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#1330323 - 03/06/12 12:56 PM
Re: mastiff mix puppies
[Re: cRaZeD]
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Kitty
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Registered: 07/02/08
Posts: 2271
Loc: Chucking wood
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I take umbrage to this article, as well as the your conflicting views of the veterinary community. On one hand, you say you worked for a vet, and know the ins and outs; yet you post articles contradicting the reality.
There are so many erroneous statements, I don't know where to begin. For one thing, I get my information from professional and peer-reviewed sources, not "From the desk of Mogens Eliasen", some blathering hack .
In order to run an animal hospital or clinic for treatment of sick pets, you need a license to practice veterinarian medicine
In many, if not most, states, you do NOT need to be a veterinarian to own a veterinary clinic. All you need is money, to purchase the many-multi-thousands of dollars of equipment, inventory, and skilled, formally trained staff. Most do not have the available cash, so they go further in debt to buy just the basics. There are bean-counters in most practices, but no DVM I know went into the field to become rich. It's a calling. Some make more money than others, but those are usually the individuals that pursue board-certification in a particular track, like surgery, oncology, or internal medicine. And trust me, they earn it. Medicine is no less complicated because its animals. In fact, treating multiple species is quite difficult.
For a practicing veterinarian, this means that his license to practice is subject to his membership in the association being "in good standing"… Non-members simply don't get a license to practice until they pay their membership fees and submit to the ruling of the association….
What a boat-load of crap! One earns a license to practice by successfully completing a 4-year graduate degree from a veterinary college, and passing the boards. Being a member of an association is in NO WAY tied to his/her ability to practice. OMG!
Vaccination, the same thing: there is a ton of proof that yearly re-vaccinations are not only redundant, but actually outright harmful to our dogs. Yet, the associations still put pressure on their members for promoting the necessity of yearly re-vaccinations!
Horse-hockey! ALL of the veterinary-related associations have acknowledged that the research supports vaccinations based on the pet's individual likeliehood of exposure. For one example, in many areas, Rabies vaccines are recommended every 3 years in dogs, unless in a Rabies-endemic area. Cats, being more sensitive and prone to vaccine-associated sarcomas, are still being boostered yearly, but because the formulation of the vaccine has been changed to make it safer, but of shorter duration.
Veterinarian's Oath
(Approved by the HOD, 1954; Revision approved by the HOD, 1969; Revision approved by the Executive Board 1999, 2010)
Being admitted to the profession of veterinary medicine, I solemnly swear to use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health and welfare, the prevention and relief of animal suffering, the conservation of animal resources, the promotion of public health, and the advancement of medical knowledge.
I will practice my profession conscientiously, with dignity, and in keeping with the principles of veterinary medical ethics.
I accept as a lifelong obligation the continual improvement of my professional knowledge and competence.
... all by ultimately pulling a member's license to practice!...
I must meet continuing education requirements yearly, as do the veterinarians, to keep my license. It's very hard to strip a practicing veterinarian of his/her license, unless convicted of a crime, or not meeting the CE requirements.
You, my friend, are the one being "brainwashed" by a junk scientist on the subject. His main objective is to get paid for his outrageous rant, but I guess that's okay; but don't let a veterinarian make money by providing preventative medicine.I could tear apart some of your misguided information all day, but it would take the time of a dissertation, which I'm not getting paid for...  Although, the pittance I recieved from Bayer for my part in selling Advantage bought me sandwich. Gotta love the rewards!
BTW, I KNOW veterinary care is expensive. So was my loan, my credentials, my CE, and my mortgage. Oh, and I have to feed all my animals, too.
Read this for the truth
Edited by Kitty (03/06/12 01:17 PM)
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#1330344 - 03/06/12 01:36 PM
Re: mastiff mix puppies
[Re: Kitty]
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cRaZeD
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Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 2493
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My vet did not vaccinate my cats yearly - he said it was not necessary being indoor cats - they could go 3-5 years.
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#1330368 - 03/06/12 02:34 PM
Re: mastiff mix puppies
[Re: cRaZeD]
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Kitty
Senior Member
Registered: 07/02/08
Posts: 2271
Loc: Chucking wood
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My vet did not vaccinate my cats yearly - he said it was not necessary being indoor cats - they could go 3-5 years.
I applaud his policy, I wonder, though, why you post such blasphemous articles about how veterinarians are lying, money-hungry, government lemmings?
However, he's using the less-safe vaccine; not illegal, or wrong, if his county allows it; but it is his professional choice. Rabies is required by law, set by the county and state, on whether it accepts 1 or 3 year vaccine for Rabies.
I, too, have backed off on some of my cat's vaccines, but too many people aren't conscientious enough to keep their cats safe so they wouldn't be exposed to disease.
You had a "job" in a clinic for a time. I have a career that I've dedicated my life to for the last 30+ years. Your unwillingness to accept that you might be mistaken tells me you don't care about the truth, you just want to be right.
I have wasted many years on people like that. My compassion fatigue rears it's ugly head, yet again....
But, my face has been blue for many years... 
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#1330417 - 03/06/12 03:43 PM
Re: mastiff mix puppies
[Re: Kitty]
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cRaZeD
Senior Member
Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 2493
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Let's see - just because I posted that article, doesn't mean anything at all. I didn't write it - it's not my perspective. If it were, why would I even go and work for a veterinarian's office? I found the article, was reading through it, felt like posting it. I also found many articles on the whole Heartworm Scam, but I didn't post that either. But, it goes to show how maybe some people become very confused on proper vet care. If they go and look certain things up there's many controversies and differing opinions on things. I take care very good care of my pets and to me that's all that matters. Sorry that I posted something that you don't like or agree with, but I also said above it was not my perspective either. Also, my cats did receive their Rabies vaccinations every 3 years which is the only vaccination required by law in NYS for cats. The DVM advised the other vaccinations (Distemper, etc...) were not necessary every year for indoor cats. As for the commissions they receive from selling the pet foods, flea preventative, heartworm meds, that is the main reason I posted that article. Many people are not aware that Vet offices do receive commissions on selling these products. Some tend to think it's the only place they can go and buy their pet food, when in fact you can order it or buy it at a specialized pet food dealer for a cheaper cost. I worked there and I witnessed it. Sorry that I would like to let people know that. It's the same with the flea medications. They are higher priced through the vet, when in fact you can go to most pet stores and purchase the same thing or go online. The vet I worked for even encouraged people to go through the petmeds site or the Dr Foster and Smith for preventative meds and would gladly write the script for his patients.
http://www.avma.org/vafstf/rbbroch.asp
Does my adult cat need to be vaccinated every year?
The answer depends upon the vaccine. Certain feline rabies vaccines provide protection for longer than one year, so vaccination with a triennially-approved rabies vaccine every three years (after the initial series is completed, and when consistent with local rabies vaccine requirements) is sufficient. Recent research has provided compelling evidence to suggest that panleukopenia/rhinotracheitis/calicivirus vaccines provide adequate protection for several years, so in response, many veterinarians are now recommending that this vaccine be "boosted" at three year intervals as well. Unfortunately, far less is known about the duration of protection provided by other vaccines. Until that information is known, annual vaccination with those products is a reasonable course of action.
Edited by KiDcRaZeD (03/06/12 03:48 PM)
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#1330585 - 03/07/12 09:37 AM
Re: mastiff mix puppies
[Re: cRaZeD]
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nomi
Member
Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 360
Loc: new york usa
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Designer dog foods Aren't some of these pet food brands owned by Proctor and Gamble? Perhaps you need to clarify what you mean by designer foods!
If you bought treats at TSC for your pets and the treats gave them gas.Did you return them to the store? I am sure they would have refunded your money!
I feed 4 Health dog food, TSC's brand name. Why do I feed this? It is grain free. It doesn't contain corn which is a cheap filler used in many grocery store brand foods.
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#1343286 - 05/08/12 12:29 PM
Re: mastiff mix puppies
[Re: cRaZeD]
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alw24
Junior Member
Registered: 02/14/12
Posts: 13
Loc: new york
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The dog is perfectly healthy and gets top of the line food just for his breed. It has all the nutirents he needs. We have the money to take care of him, its just for mix breed youi shouldnt have to speed over 1000 for one. His name is Diesel and he is 5 months old now. He is the size of a full grown great dane. We both love him very much. I dont care what you people think about the breed. Not all the dogs are the same. This dog will grow old and healthy. We would do anyhting to keep him healthy no matter the bill from the vet. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
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