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#1323069 --- 02/06/12 07:55 PM Ronald Reagan - Reality Check
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10 Things Conservatives Don’t Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan

By Alex Seitz-Wald
(from 5 Feb. 2011)

The 100th anniversary of President Reagan’s birth, and all week, conservatives have been trying to outdo each others’ remembrances of the great conservative icon. Senate Republicans spent much of Thursday singing Reagan’s praise from the Senate floor, while conservative publications have been running non-stop commemorations. Meanwhile, the Republican National Committee and former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich are hoping to make a few bucks off the Gipper’s centennial.

But Reagan was not the man conservatives claim he was. This image of Reagan as a conservative superhero is myth, created to unite the various factions of the right behind a common leader. In reality, Reagan was no conservative ideologue or flawless commander-in-chief. Reagan regularly strayed from conservative dogma — he raised taxes eleven times as president while tripling the deficit — and he often ended up on the wrong side of history, like when he vetoed an Anti-Apartheid bill.

ThinkProgress has compiled a list of the top 10 things conservatives rarely mention when talking about President Reagan:

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.

Conservatives seem to be in such denial about the less flattering aspects of Reagan; it sometimes appears as if they genuinely don’t know the truth of his legacy. Yesterday, when liberal activist Mike Stark challenged hate radio host Rush Limbaugh on why Reagan remains a conservative hero despite raising taxes so many times, Limbaugh flew into a tirade and demanded, “Where did you get this silly notion that Reagan raised taxes?”[size:14pt][/size]
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#1323071 --- 02/06/12 08:07 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Ayuveda]
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Ahahahahahahaha...story by Alex [Seitz-Wald], is he/she have an identity issues

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#1323092 --- 02/06/12 09:02 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: ]
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Hilarious Harley. From the guy with countless FL1 aliases. Seems you need an extra dose of 'reality check'.

"Identity issues" are yours old boy.



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#1323105 --- 02/06/12 10:05 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Ayuveda]
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Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.
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#1323120 --- 02/06/12 10:46 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.




Shall we call that ultimate absentee ballot? ;\)

Here's another option:

I’m voting for FDR for President in 2012 – How about you?
By: MadDog Sunday July 31, 2011

Yes, that’s right! I’m going to vote for Franklin Delano Roosevelt for President in 2012.

I totally agree with Jane and her rationale on why there will be no Democratic primary opponent to Barack Obama in 2012, so that leaves me (us) in a quandary. Do I (we) bother voting at all? Who do I (we) vote for?

Only the Crazies will vote for Crazy (Repug) candidate, and I’m a lifelong member of the non-Crazy segment of the American populace.

I refuse to vote for Barack Obama. I will not do it!

The man is an unprincipled coward and has betrayed everything that I stand for. If he had any courage at all, he’d immediately resign so as to save America from further damage, and to save himself from further embarrassment. As I’ve said here before, “I’m guessing he never made it to school with his lunch money intact. He always gave it up!”

So what is a person to do?

If one doesn’t vote, one doesn’t count! If one votes for “none of the above” or if one votes in an individualized and disorganized fashion for some write-in candidate, that too ends up not counting for anything.

So instead, I’m going to vote for Franklin D. Roosevelt for President in 2012 and here’s why I’m urging you do do the same.

When the 2012 Presidential votes are counted, our MSM and punditry elite will have to report that FDR received X% of the popular vote.

They will laugh and make jokes about Americans who would rather knowingly vote for a dead man than to vote for either Barack Obama or the Repug nominee.

But perhaps our MSM and punditry elite will become briefly sentient enough to actually realize what a vote for FDR actually means. Yes El Stupido MSM and punditry elite, that does indeed mean that I would rather vote for a dead man than ever deign to vote for a Coward or a Crazy.

It would also send a powerful message to our MSM, punditry, yea, and even to our ruling elite, that in order to get our vote, the candidate will have to pledge, and deliver on the promises of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. No “ifs, buts, or ands” exceptions will ever be tolerated!

Some folks will think that this is such a great idea and that we should even go further. Let’s waste all of our time and try to get FDR’s name on voting ballots!

Nope! Don’t even bother!

Even if you could, and that’s a big stretch since party faithful control who gets on voting ballots and there ain’t no way they’ll allow a dead man’s name to be added, I still say that attempt would be not only a waste of time, but actually counterproductive.

Don’t allow these party faithful who control the voting ballots to prematurely siphon off our anger and ridicule our efforts. Instead, let’s just keep this between ourselves. The right moment to deliver our punchline is on 2012 Election Day. Kind of like a Surprise Party — if you know what I mean. :-)

So in closing, I’m voting for FDR for President in 2012 – How about you?
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#1323124 --- 02/06/12 10:58 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Only the Crazies will vote for Crazy (Repug) candidate, and I’m a lifelong member of the non-Crazy segment of the American populace.
They sure haven't met you have they nut job!

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#1323127 --- 02/06/12 11:18 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: ]
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You idolize Reagan even though he raised taxes 11 times in 8 years?

Add RHINO alongside CHINO to your bio Harley.



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#1323129 --- 02/06/12 11:27 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.

Exactly! Plus, the republican party has moved so far to the right that they would never endorse Reagan for president today. He'd be way too moderate for them.
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#1323285 --- 02/07/12 04:04 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.

Exactly! Plus, the republican party has moved so far to the right that they would never endorse Reagan for president today. He'd be way too moderate for them.
And the Democratic party has moved to far to the left...so what's your dull point about?

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#1323297 --- 02/07/12 05:14 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.

Exactly! Plus, the republican party has moved so far to the right that they would never endorse Reagan for president today. He'd be way too moderate for them.
And the Democratic party has moved to too far to the left...so what's your dull point about?

Actually, it really hasn't. It just appears that way to you because you've moved so far to the right. The Democrats haven't moved in decades, I would say.
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#1323372 --- 02/07/12 08:34 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.

Exactly! Plus, the republican party has moved so far to the right that they would never endorse Reagan for president today. He'd be way too moderate for them.
And the Democratic party has moved to too far to the left...so what's your dull point about?

Actually, it really hasn't. It just appears that way to you because you've moved so far to the right. The Democrats haven't moved in decades, I would say.
So they've always been aliened with the communist party?

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#1323373 --- 02/07/12 08:35 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.

Exactly! Plus, the republican party has moved so far to the right that they would never endorse Reagan for president today. He'd be way too moderate for them.


Romney needs to get you on his campaign team. I don't think anyone has ever accussed him of being conservative. I think your might be the first.


Edited by cwjga (02/07/12 08:37 PM)

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#1323379 --- 02/07/12 08:52 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.


You've got that right. I was fooled by Reagan the 1st time, but he was the final straw in pushing me into the libertarian camp, starting in '84, and continuing through 2010.

In 2011, after not missing a vote in 38 yrs, I got sick of the periodic dog and pony show and abstained.

But gosh darn it, if I'm going to be offered only my choice of dogs, I might as well write in myself...woof!

Or, maybe I'll go for the pony. Yeah...Eomer for Pres! I'm sure he would do a better job than any of the last 5 bozos.
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#1323385 --- 02/07/12 08:59 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.


Nothing sad about that.

Unfortunaetly Reagan fell for the Democrat lies and compromised. Then the Dems failed to deliver on a single one of their promises.

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#1323597 --- 02/08/12 04:45 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Do you want to know the really sad thing about all that? I'd probably vote for Reagan over any of the current yahoos running for president.


Nothing sad about that.

Unfortunaetly Reagan fell for the Democrat lies and compromised. Then the Dems failed to deliver on a single one of their promises.


Ok so reagan wanted to lower taxes... but didn't... because of the democrats?

but... the recovery of the economy during his time was due to... the tax cuts... he... never enacted. Am I getting this right?

Reagan is used as evidence that tax cuts help the economy, but reagan put people in govt jobs doing basically nothing, just to get people paychecks. And he raised taxes. And... America came out of the late 70s early 80s slump and catapulted into the roaring 90s.

So if reagan didnt do anything that he really wanted... are the... democrats responbible for the recovery of the economy?

Which is it? If he compromised and it worked, then why praise him *since he did what the democrats wanted, not what he wanted*.

Or.. was his administration a failure? If so, the democrats are to blame of course, and we can stop praising Reagan for being a great president that was AWOL towards the end with his wife making decisions BASED OFF OF ADVICE FROM A PSYCHIC! (not kidding, she really did.)
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#1323617 --- 02/08/12 07:43 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Zorn]
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...and, once again, you loonies beating each other with bats allows the Washington elite to march right to the bank with OUR money. Obama and Romney are making out in Capitol building closets and laughing at all of you.
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#1323646 --- 02/08/12 09:31 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Zorn]
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Good point. Was the recovery of that time the result of the policies Reagan enacted? If so, why aren't the policies being tried again? (This is a policy question, not a Rep. vs. Dem. debate).


Edited by twocats (02/08/12 09:31 PM)
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#1323664 --- 02/08/12 10:46 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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We weren't exactly prosperous under Reagan. We began a trend of borrowing so much money so quickly that the inflation didn't really catch up until the 90's, in which we went into a recession.

You can see the spike in inflation here:



You can see the spike co-relates to the nation's debt:


What happened that made that period under Reagan seem prosperous is all the money that was borrowed was flooding into circulation. People began to see more dollars in their pockets and felt they were wealthier, better off. The problem is that it was borrowed money. When it came time to paying those loans back and the inflation started catching up, suddenly those extras dollars didn't buy as much. We hit a recession because the purchasing power of the dollar declined.

The government has been trying to ride that bandwagon ever since. They act like if they could only borrow a boat-load of money and flood the market with it people will mistake that for prosperity. We can't make that happen anymore. Money that is based on credit that is created out of thin air and loaned to a government at interest is a fiat currency that is doomed to a short lifespan.


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#1323683 --- 02/08/12 11:53 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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I have serious reservations about the Reagan policies. But on Feb, 3 in the Washington Post, Bruce Bartlett has an article saying that those policies would not work today, the circumstances are too different. And Bartlett is the guy who wrote the policy, so I will take him at his word.

My personal opinion is that the circumstances to day to what happened in 1929 that the policies of the 1930's would work just fine.

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#1323937 --- 02/09/12 08:06 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Good point. Was the recovery of that time the result of the policies Reagan enacted? If so, why aren't the policies being tried again? (This is a policy question, not a Rep. vs. Dem. debate).


They are, during the debt limit debate the Dems tried the old you raise we will cut lie again. Nobody fell for it this time.

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#1323942 --- 02/09/12 08:13 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: Jeff Peters]
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I have serious reservations about the Reagan policies. But on Feb, 3 in the Washington Post, Bruce Bartlett has an article saying that those policies would not work today, the circumstances are too different. And Bartlett is the guy who wrote the policy, so I will take him at his word.

My personal opinion is that the circumstances to day to what happened in 1929 that the policies of the 1930's would work just fine.
Who's personal opinion?

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#1323949 --- 02/09/12 08:26 PM Re: Ronald Reagan - Reality Check [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Peters
I have serious reservations about the Reagan policies. But on Feb, 3 in the Washington Post, Bruce Bartlett has an article saying that those policies would not work today, the circumstances are too different. And Bartlett is the guy who wrote the policy, so I will take him at his word.

My personal opinion is that the circumstances to day to what happened in 1929 that the policies of the 1930's would work just fine.
Who's personal opinion?


Does he mean the work for welfare policies. I could go for them.

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