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#1319610 --- 01/22/12 02:49 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Why honor any Treaty now when you never have before?


What specific aspect of your treaty has not been honored?
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Is this simple question too hard for you?
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still no answer
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#1319611 --- 01/22/12 02:53 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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#1320005 --- 01/24/12 02:44 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
The term is Qualified Reservations for tax purposes.


only written for cigarettes (state law)
correct?

all other taxes apply

and the state can change the wording when they want
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#1322183 --- 02/02/12 03:40 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Duude
Why honor any Treaty now when you never have before?


What specific aspect of your treaty has not been honored?
.

Is this simple question too hard for you?
.


still no answer



rescind all treaties
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#1323286 --- 02/07/12 04:06 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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cuomo may have to take possession of the seneca tribe casinos and halbritters casino
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#1323349 --- 02/07/12 07:57 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Hope he has fun trying
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#1323641 --- 02/08/12 09:12 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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the senecas are behind in payments
halbritter is behind in taxes
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#1326352 --- 02/20/12 04:16 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Hope he has fun trying



why do you think he is changing the state constitution?
2016 the seneca compact runs out
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#1327514 --- 02/24/12 12:40 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: SilverRose]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2509268.shtml

Posted at: 02/23/2012

Federal agents from the ATF, DEA, Customs and Bureau of Indian Affairs raided four smoke shops in the Tonawanda Indian Reservation looking for synthetic marijuana.

The agents were also looking for synthetic cocaine - sold as "bath salts" - and counterfeit clothing and untaxed cigarettes.

Agents served warrants at: Smoke Rings, Arrowhawk and Sacajewa Smoke Shops. We're also told they raided a smoke shop called "The Rez."

According to the release from the investigating agencies, "officials are investigating alleged distribution of synthetic THC sold under the names "Spice," "K2" and "bath salts.""

Investigators say no one was arrested today.

Today's raids come on the heels of News10NBC's I-Team investigation into the sale of synthetic marijuana under brand names like K2.

Our hidden camera investigation showed how corner stores and smoke shops in and around Rochester sell the product as potpourri but, in many cases, the stores know people are buying it to smoke and get a marijuana-like high.

As a reasult of our investigation, Sen. Chuck Schumer said he is putting his political weight behind a federal bill that would outlaw the sale of synthetic marijuana.

A similar bill in New York passed the state senate last year but was blocked from getting a vote in the state assembly. The same bill is about to face a second vote in the senate.

Tonight on News10NBC, you'll see the reservation smoke shops raided today. You'll hear from U.S. Attorney William Hochul on why they did it and from Sen. Schumer who is in Albany today trying to get support for the federal anti-synthetic marijuana bill.
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#1329034 --- 03/02/12 01:19 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.citizensalliance.org.
Indian Treaties and Current Federal Indian Policy
By Darrel Smith
Editor of the CERA Journal

Many people agree that federal Indian policy is harmful, even racist, but they think that these policies are required by the treaties that have been entered into between the federal government and Indian tribes. The United States Government entered into about 373 treaties with less than 150 Indian tribes between 1778 and 1868. Many tribes have multiple treaties. For example, there are twenty treaties with the Cherokee, forty-four with the Chippewa and fifteen with the Choctaw. The treaties and agreements with the various Sioux bands are recorded in a three volume book set. The Bureau of Indian Affairs recognizes 564 tribes (August, 2009). There are also, numerous agreements between the government and tribes starting in 1792 and occurring especially after the end of the treaty period in 1871.

The federal government recognizes hundreds of tribes that don't have a single treaty with the government. There isn't a single treaty between the government and Indian people in general. All the treaties were between the government and specific Indian tribes. A treaty with one entity doesn't bind relations with other entities. Treaty provisions with Spain, for example, don't normally control our relations with Denmark. If federal Indian policy is required by treaty provisions why does the government recognize and deal with treaty and non-treaty tribes essentially the same? Why do they deal with different tribes who have different treaties, and treaty provisions, essentially the same? The vast majority of modern federal Indian policy is unrelated to Indian treaties.

The Constitution makes the U. S. Constitution, laws and treaties the "supreme Law of the Land" over state authority with this clause:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."[Art.VI, Cl. 2]

(The "Legal Issues" section of our web site is one of the few places you can find a link to all the Indian treaties.) Indian treaties are valid historical documents equal to the highest law of the land and superior to state constitutions and laws, but are superseded by later federal treaties, legal agreements, laws, and, of course, the US Constitution itself. For example, in Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S.

1 (1957) the Supreme Court said:

"There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty. For example, in Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258, 267, it declared: "'The treaty power, as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments, and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the [354 U.S. 1, 18] government or in that of one of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter, without its consent.' "This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which must comply with the Constitution, is on a full parity with a treaty, and that when a statute which is subsequent in time is inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict renders the treaty null. It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument."

Tribal activists often claim a favored provision out of a single treaty while ignoring other provisions of the same treaty and also later treaties, agreements, laws and the Constitution with its Amendments. They then attack anyone who objects to this simplistic approach as anti-treaty and anti-Indian, and there are some very significant later laws and constitutional provisions that impact treaty interpretations.

The Fourteenth Amendment, the Dawes and Burke Acts, the Citizenship Act of 1924 and many other laws and constitutional provisions legally should take precedence over any inconsistent provisions of earlier treaties. Indians on reservations still do not have the protections of our state and federal constitutions. Not only is the current situation not required by law, it violates any normal understanding of law. For an explanation of the status of tribal members on reservations read the article entitled Why Indians are Second Class Citizens available at the bottom of the "Home Page" on our web site at: http://www.citizensalliance.org .

Modern federal Indian policy is entirely dependent on the existence of tribal governments in order to function. If treaties didn't prevent the end of tribal governments as political entities as mandated by the Dawes and Burke Acts, then these same treaties certainly can't require the reestablishment of political tribal governments by the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934. Justice Clarence Thomas referred to this while concurring in United States v. Lara:

"Next, the Court acknowledges that '[t]he treaty power does not literally authorize Congress to act legislatively, for it is an Article II power authorizing the President, not Congress, 'to make Treaties.'" (quoting U.S. Const., Art. II, 2, cl. 2). This, of course, suffices to show that it provides no power to Congress, at least in the absence of a specific treaty. Cf. Missouri v. Holland, 252 U. S. 416 (1920). The treaty power does not, as the Court seems to believe, provide Congress with freefloating power to legislate as it sees fit on topics that could potentially implicate some unspecified treaty. Such an assertion is especially ironic in light of Congress' enacted prohibition on Indian treaties.

"The Federal Government cannot simultaneously claim power to regulate virtually every aspect of the tribes through ordinary domestic legislation and also maintain that the tribes possess anything resembling 'sovereignty.'"

Not only is Judge Thomas correct in his analysis that that you need a specific treaty provision, as has been noted above, you also need a specific treaty that hasn't been voided by later treaties, agreements, laws or the provisions of the Constitution itself. Then that treaty only controls relations with the specific tribe involved. These limitations guarantee that treaties cannot provide a valid legal basis for modern federal Indian policy. Just one question should be sufficient to clearly demonstrate this fact. Where are the treaty provisions that authorize the federal government to hold the deed to all "Indian land?" Very simply, they don't exist. Many of the most common and important treaty provisions would be fulfilled by finally granting full and equal citizenship rights to all Indians.
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#1329154 --- 03/02/12 01:54 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...ry.html?hpid=z2

Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago
By Brian Vastag,
Published: February 29


time for the tribes to pay all their back taxes and eliminate reservations

US citizens
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#1329522 --- 03/03/12 04:50 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.citizensalliance.org.

Tribal activists often claim a favored provision out of a single treaty while ignoring other provisions of the same treaty and also later treaties, agreements, laws and the Constitution with its Amendments. They then attack anyone who objects to this simplistic approach as anti-treaty and anti-Indian, and there are some very significant later laws and constitutional provisions that impact treaty interpretations.

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#1330575 --- 03/07/12 02:15 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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the tribal activists seem to enjoy all the rights and priviledges that 'our' nation offers
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#1332743 --- 03/16/12 02:40 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Senecas, Oneidas, Cayugas, and Onondagas have one hell of a "pseudo nation" considering they can still sell gas, cigs, and gambling tax free to ANYONE \:\/


may not for long
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#1332773 --- 03/16/12 08:07 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Senecas, Oneidas, Cayugas, and Onondagas have one hell of a "pseudo nation" considering they can still sell gas, cigs, and gambling tax free to ANYONE \:\/


may not for long


How many YEARS have you been saying that?? \:\/ Maybe another 10-15 years you may eventually be right
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#1332841 --- 03/16/12 02:41 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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have you heard the news out of albany?
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#1332860 --- 03/16/12 03:13 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://romesentinel.com/news?newsid=20120315-142221
By DAN GUZEWICH Sentinel staff writer

The Oneida Indian Nation issued a warning in response to the state Legislature's approval of a plan to change the state Constitution to allow Las Vegas-style casinos outside of Indian territory.

"As this process moves forward to potential passage by consecutive state legislatures and a statewide referendum, New Yorkers should hold their elected officials accountable by insuring that they do not allow commercial gaming that serves only to drain community resources and cannibalize the success that local economies have achieved under the existing framework," said the Oneidas. "To that end, the Oneida Nation will remain engaged in this process to ensure that the interests of our community and the families of our 4,500 employees are protected."

The Oneida and Seneca are scared to death that they will have competition even though it will not be on a level playing field.

Yes, heaven forbid that tribal casinos siphoning money off to offshore bank accounts have to compete.
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#1333194 --- 03/17/12 03:40 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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US citizenship 1924


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#1333223 --- 03/17/12 04:22 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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#1333225 --- 03/17/12 04:24 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ayuveda]
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do they have a passport?
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