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#1319213 - 01/19/12 07:28 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: pinkrose21]
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pinkrose21
Junior Member
Registered: 01/13/12
Posts: 13
Loc: Fingerlakes
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"Beating the 5 o’clock crowd… Try a new exercise classes or different time to work out to bypass the busy times."
I read the 1st post again.How is this pracical? Members have to leave work early to work out? Bypassing busy times? What? If I pay for a membership I want to work out anytime I want to, park where I need to and have a clean facility to work out in. Not to mention a safe place for my children to enjoy!
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#1319251 - 01/19/12 09:58 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: pinkrose21]
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snotnose
Member
Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 37
Loc: Penn Yan
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[color:#3333FF][i]"Beating the 5 o’clock crowd… Try a new exercise classes or different time to work out to bypass the busy times."
I read the 1st post again.How is this pracical? Members have to leave work early to work out? Bypassing busy times? What? If I pay for a membership I want to work out anytime I want to, park where I need to and have a clean facility to work out in. Not to mention a safe place for my children to enjoy!
According to the article featured in an earlier post, the YMCA in 2008 had more than 2,275 with "active" memberships. This was 4 years ago before the 7 million dollar expansion.
I counted tonight and the Canandiagua YMCA has 108 parking spaces and this includes 2 hour side street and handicap parking. Assuming 4 years later enrollment has increased just slightly to 2500 after the completion of their new multi million dollar facility, this provides just one parking space per 23 members.
Therefore, if just 5% of their membership decides to use the Y during a peak time, there needs to be 125 spaces. This leaves 17 members fighting for a space during peak time and here lies the problem. Using this example, there might be fewer members searching for spaces because members may ride to the Y together. However, using this example, there may be more members searching for a parking spot because because handicap spaces were included in my count of 108 and they are seldom fully used, more than 5% of the membership can show up at a given time, there are probably more than 2500 members and because some that use the YMCA at a given time are not members but guests or community members at the Y for one of their many special activities.
So if I'm supposed to feel good about being part of something "huge", please give me a place to park and preferrably close to the door.
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#1319272 - 01/20/12 02:55 AM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: bluezone]
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mimi33
Member
Registered: 01/30/02
Posts: 423
Loc: seneca falls, ny, usa
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this may sound snotty, but how many actually go there to work out? I was at a power pump class in geneva, and it was awesome, great workout....i really wasn't interested in the lobby. I just wanted to work out. i think if you're really interested in your health and fitness, you'll be more interested in the equipment, availability and knowledge of the staff(trainers who do classes) than the lobby or the wallpaper.1
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#1319273 - 01/20/12 03:01 AM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: pinkrose21]
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mimi33
Member
Registered: 01/30/02
Posts: 423
Loc: seneca falls, ny, usa
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I'm sorry, i don't mean to be an ass, but isn't the point of working out to be able to climb a million steps with you bags, kids, etc., etc? are you really complaining about climbing steps before you go and run on the elliptical? that's just weird.
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#1319274 - 01/20/12 03:01 AM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: mimi33]
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mimi33
Member
Registered: 01/30/02
Posts: 423
Loc: seneca falls, ny, usa
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or do your super cool spin class or zumba?
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#1319300 - 01/20/12 08:23 AM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: mimi33]
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snotnose
Member
Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 37
Loc: Penn Yan
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this may sound snotty, but how many actually go there to work out? I was at a power pump class in geneva, and it was awesome, great workout....i really wasn't interested in the lobby. I just wanted to work out. i think if you're really interested in your health and fitness, you'll be more interested in the equipment, availability and knowledge of the staff(trainers who do classes) than the lobby or the wallpaper.1
Good point. But in freezing weather, when just making a 3 minute drop off of a child for preschool or when for elderly who person who is entering the building for physical therapy exercises, this does not work. For many the Y is more than just about exercise. Birthday parties, teen nights, education, social, etc. Further, if I wanted to get exercise walking around outside in the freezing cold, I would do so in my driveway and save gas by not having to drive to town. For me this discussion is mostly about the Y's lack of acknowledgement that they screwed up the design of this facility and a willingness to address it and when they send out patronizing emails suggesting we suck it up and be glad were part of something "huge".
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#1319338 - 01/20/12 10:35 AM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: mimi33]
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pinkrose21
Junior Member
Registered: 01/13/12
Posts: 13
Loc: Fingerlakes
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I can see your point. But mine was the fact that the YMCA programs encompass more than a workout machine. Preschool programs, children's swim lessons, childcare programs, teen programs and parties. So if you are using the Y as a family the previous entrance was certainly more family friendly.
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#1319464 - 01/21/12 10:34 AM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: pinkrose21]
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awaken1
Member
Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 33
Loc: Canandaigua, New York
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The Canandaigua YMCA does not nurture, mentor, or deliver positive change in our community as promised by the YMCA of the USA who claims on their website that "Our Strength is in Community".
Prior to the expansion, a petition in opposition to the locker room design with hundreds of males member signatures was rejected by the Adminstration. An editorial in the Messenger Post on Oct. 17, 2009 "Time for a change at the YMCA" did not elicit any response from the YMCA Administration or the community. Within a couple of weeks of opening the new locker rooms, the construction crew was back knocking down a wall in the men's locker room to create more space because of the poor design. I suspect the YMCA had to pay for that and ultimately all the other expansion mistakes (gutters in the pool area because of condensation problems when joining the buildings?)
It's interesting the residents of Canandaigua, the home of superior establishments the likes of Wegman's, Constellation Wines, FLCC, Thompson Hospital and Cananadaigua National Bank would settle for such an inferior YMCA.
Should the CEO live in the community? Yes, I would think she would be proud to live in our community while being closer and more visible to the members. The founders of Wegman's, Constellationa Wines, and Canandaigua National Bank all live in our community. Why not the CEO of the YMCA? I wonder why she doesn't live here because the former CEO did as did most of the staff that worked there when I was a member.
As to burning calories, etc,...the YMCA is supposed to be so much more than work out machines and Zumba classes. What about the moms dropping off kids to preschool while carrying younger children, seniors with physical limitations going to Silver Sneaker activities or the pool, handicap people struggling with the ramp out front? How many teachers want their students to see them butt naked in the combined locker rooms? How many adult women want to get changed in front of preschool classes using the same space? What's wrong with adult men/women having their own private locker room accessible to the pool so they can enjoy private time before and after their workouts? That used to be part of the experience of going to the "old Y".
On safety...I was working out in the Wellness Center early one morning when the fire alarm went off. Members were locked in the building and I was shocked to see a staff member leading the firemen around the building as they were confused by the layout of the many hallways, doors, and stairs. Thank goodness she was there to direct them. The layout and design of the facility has no congruity and makes no sense at all.
People adapt even to inferior situations but that does not effect positive change or make the situation right. The Canandaigua YMCA at this time, has no competition and that is dangerous because it breeds complacency and more inferior conditions. If tomorrow a new facility opened up in our community with a clean pool, innovative child care programs, ample parking, adult locker rooms, a pleasant and purposeful fitness center, an open design plan with inviting colors and interior decorating indicative of a welcoming environment, and managed by a team of administrators who from the top down, believed in, supported, listened to, and backed their staff and member base, the Canandaigua YMCA would be deserted overnight. Unfortunately for our community that does not exist at this time.
In answer to opening up my own Y? No way. As a long time loyal and faithful member, I left the YMCA because of what happened to it. I have no desire to support an organization that is so weak in it's management to have created such a mess, take no responsbility for it, and insult the members while doing so. I would however, love to be part of a team of smart, innovative, ethical, and productive people who given the oppotunity and funding, would be able to create a community health facility worthy of our community.
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#1319484 - 01/21/12 12:35 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: awaken1]
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fingerlakesdenizen
Member
Registered: 07/24/08
Posts: 209
Loc: new york
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Kudos for a thoughtful articulate perspective on the Canandaigua Y. I don't live in Canandaigua but I'm perplexed why the obvious collective animus against the current Y apparently has had no impact on its practices and operation. There must be some way to confront the current administration, which sounds like a shadowy phantom group (at least in the way they're described in this forum). It sounds like there's a need for a grassroots movement to address their incompetence and indifference.
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#1319541 - 01/21/12 08:35 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: fingerlakesdenizen]
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snotnose
Member
Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 37
Loc: Penn Yan
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Since I was not around when the new Canandaigua YMCA was built, perhaps someone knows what sold the public on this project? I keep reading about a “16,000” square foot building and 100 "additional" parking spaces.
The total project size is conveniently left out of information I could find and I’m no tape measure but the 16,000 square feet number appears understated and perhaps conveniently not stated? We have a 2 story post office with a full basement, classroom, Olympic size swimming pool, huge lobby, day care, preschool, gymnasium, large lobby, locker rooms, workout room, racket ball courts, running track, locker rooms, offices and all kinds of wasted hallways with nooks and crannies. Anyone know the actual size of this huge rat maze?
If there are 100 "additional" parking spaces added and there are only 108 now, did the old why only have 8 parking spaces to begin with or were estimates shy of reality?
It appears from internet posts and articles online that the building was sold to the public and the city with incomplete data leaving us with a rat maze and inadequate parking.
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#1319721 - 01/22/12 08:23 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: snotnose]
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awaken1
Member
Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 33
Loc: Canandaigua, New York
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That's amusing that the Y presented their parking situation erroneously and in the paper no less. What a dog and pony show they have going on over there.
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#1319724 - 01/22/12 08:49 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: awaken1]
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snotnose
Member
Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 37
Loc: Penn Yan
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Was there anyone in the community that looked at the designs being proposed with and understanding of how a Y facility is utilized by members and that could then coordinate these usage patters with a feasible design? Was there anyone that was checking the data being presented and forseeing a parking problem? If they have a problem now, we should all look forward to 10 years from now when their membership base is sizeably larger.
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#1319731 - 01/22/12 09:51 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: snotnose]
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awaken1
Member
Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 33
Loc: Canandaigua, New York
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The CEO and Board had to approve the design submitted by the architect and I'm assuming some city officials saw the designs as well. I really don't understand how so many mistakes could have been overlooked in this project. The parking, wasted space, poor design, HVAC problems...these are not little items. They are land locked once again and in big debt so if they keep getting new members, how will they deal with that? Maybe they'll borrow more money, tear down more houses and create more parking or keep asking their members to be grateful for being part of something huge. It's huge alright...a huge mess that is!
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#1319929 - 01/23/12 08:46 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: awaken1]
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snotnose
Member
Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 37
Loc: Penn Yan
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At 5:30pm tonight, the lot was full, all street parking was full unless I wanted to park and walk across our 4 lanes of Main Street. Grandma had trouble getting to the gym tonight. Businesses are required to have adequate parking. How did the YMCA regime fool the community into allowing them to only have 108 parking spaces for 2500 members?
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#1319934 - 01/23/12 09:15 PM
Re: GRATEFUL FOR AN OVERCROWDED YMCA W/NO PARKING?
[Re: snotnose]
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GoSUhoops
Member
Registered: 01/13/09
Posts: 221
Loc: Geneva
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i took my kids to the canandaigua Y over the summer..being members in geneva we were able to go for half price which i think was $7.50..we had never been there so we weren't sure where to park or even how to get in..we drove down to the back lot and parked and we weren't sure where to go so we went to the double doors near the back..some guy standing there saw us and let us in..he then directed us through the hallways to the front desk..it was a bit confusing..we paid and then returned to the locker rooms to get changed..the showers and sink areas are nice and spacious but the locker area is kinda basic and small..geneva's isn't very big either but it has a nicer, more private design and it has separate adult locker rooms for both men and women..the pool area was beautiful and the connecting wading pool is a nice change from our pool..great for the littlest ones!! i liked the running track above the gym too..reminded me of the old Y on Castle St.in geneva.. all in all it was a decent experience but i am glad my family are members in geneva..i never have issues with too many people..imo its just right!!
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