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#1497196 --- 03/31/17 09:20 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
What happens if the batteries are proven to be good?


some brands of thermostat are known to be unreliable

unmount the thermostat from the wall and then connect the two wires going to the furnace or use a jumper

if the furnace activates then the thermostat has failed

the older mercury thermostats were far more reliable than the newer non-mercury ones


Originally Posted By: Formermac
a thermostat is wired to 24 volts DC and the batteries are solely for the benefit of maintaining your preset programs.


incorrect

the 24 volts only runs thru the thermostat to activate the relay in the furnace
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#1497197 --- 03/31/17 09:21 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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I must ask you a simple question, how old is your AC unit and furnace?
Also tell me the difference between digital and analog and how they determine motherboard adverse to mechanical?
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#1497198 --- 03/31/17 09:28 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Formermac
What happens if the batteries are proven to be good?


some brands of thermostat are known to be unreliable

unmount the thermostat from the wall and then connect the two wires going to the furnace or use a jumper

if the furnace activates then the thermostat has failed

the older mercury thermostats were far more reliable than the newer non-mercury ones


Originally Posted By: Formermac
a thermostat is wired to 24 volts DC and the batteries are solely for the benefit of maintaining your preset programs.


incorrect

the 24 volts only runs thru the thermostat to activate the relay in the furnace

the batteries operate the micro electronics functions of the thermostat as the mercury switch has been removed



ROTFLMAO, I thought that at least you even Google it, somewhat basic laymen term but what you post is hilarious. I see you as someone that talks with the doctor just prior to going under anesthesia and tell the physician where and how to make the incision. Keep responding because I'm stir crazy today and need a little entertainment.
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#1497199 --- 03/31/17 09:33 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Formermac
What happens if the batteries are proven to be good?


some brands of thermostat are known to be unreliable

unmount the thermostat from the wall and then connect the two wires going to the furnace or use a jumper

if the furnace activates then the thermostat has failed

the older mercury thermostats were far more reliable than the newer non-mercury ones


Originally Posted By: Formermac
a thermostat is wired to 24 volts DC and the batteries are solely for the benefit of maintaining your preset programs.


incorrect

the 24 volts only runs thru the thermostat to activate the relay in the furnace

the batteries operate the micro electronics functions of the thermostat as the mercury switch has been removed



ROTFLMAO, I thought that at least you even Google it, somewhat basic laymen term but what you post is hilarious. I see you as someone that talks with the doctor just prior to going under anesthesia and tell the physician where and how to make the incision. Keep responding because I'm stir crazy today and need a little entertainment.


Why would you dismount the thermostat when the terminals are right in front of you and a piece of wire can be used as a jumper? Better yet, when using your logic, why not just touch the correspondent wires together to operate the furnace or AC? Ever hear of a multi functional thermostat which control the AC and furnace? Ever hear of a remote thermostat than can be regulated from a different location, ever seen an RTU system?
It's disturbing that you give advice on a subject that you know nothing about, ALL thermostats are reliable whether you purchase it from Walmart or spend $200.00 at the plumbing and heating store. The basic function is there, you pay for the added features and capability.
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#1497223 --- 03/31/17 03:16 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I had a house built in 2013, guess who designed it, wired it, installed the boiler, ran the tubing, hot water heater, kitchen etc. It's a pretty cheap proposition when someone else can dig the basement, build the blocks, frame, roof, sidings, windows, insulation, drywall and you take it from there, now once again, your expertise is what?


one would think that if you dug the basement you would have also installed a geo
thermal heat pump thereby reducing your heating and cooling costs by nearly 80%

the major expense to a geothermal heat pump is digging the area to bury the lines and if you had the equipment and the know how to dig your own area then the cost to install would be far less than the boiler

with a boiler you do not get the air conditioning aspect

but of course you already knew that...
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#1497224 --- 03/31/17 03:34 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
ROTFLMAO, I thought that at least you even Google it,


what is there to google?

the fact that you think that a forced air furnace runs on 220 volts is completely false
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#1497225 --- 03/31/17 03:48 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Why would you dismount the thermostat when the terminals are right in front of you


the manufacture would not leave exposed terminals

the thermostat is mounted to a wall plate

you unscrew the thermostat from the wall plate to expose the wires

Originally Posted By: Formermac
ALL thermostats are reliable


there are a few that are less reliable and rather then call for service an individual can do some very basic steps before needing a service call/charge
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#1497226 --- 03/31/17 03:54 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'm stir crazy today


you are like that EVERDAY whistle
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#1497228 --- 03/31/17 04:06 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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For the most part, I'm have an even temperament, so you're partially correct but my attitude is in regard to a fool that attempts to debate with a 34 year electrician. Now once again, your expertise is in what area? there's a reason that Home depot and Lowes place certain employees in the paint department and bar them from any form of technical service or advice. What is is disconnect switch?

Never met anyone that can make 12 posts and all 12 are misconceptions and misinformation......SCARY to say the least, not to mention dangerous.
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#1497229 --- 03/31/17 04:09 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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How many electric motors have you wired, how do you convert AC to DC or vice versa? How do you step down voltage?
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#1497231 --- 03/31/17 04:13 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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What's the difference between a Square D or red dot breaker? what value would you use for a furnace or AC unit? how do you daisy chain a kitchen while utilizing GFIs .
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#1497255 --- 04/01/17 08:04 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
debate with a 34 year electrician.


you claim to have 34 years of experience but you stated that a forced air furnace runs off of 220 volts

that is completely false

Originally Posted By: Formermac
I own an electrical business


you own an electrical business but yet you do not know the difference between 120 volts and 220 volts...

Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'm a electrician who have installed and wired hundreds of furnace


you claim to have installed hundreds of furnaces but you stated that the furnace runs off of 220 volts which is completely incorrect

Originally Posted By: Formermac
Better yet, grab a fluke meter to see if 220 is there, if there's no current


a furnace DOES NOT run off of 220 volts

it runs off of 120 volts just like a natural gas clothes dryer
the major electrical component in a natural gas dryer is the motor to drive the drum and blower
the major electrical component in a natural gas furnace is a similar motor for the blower - that is why it is called a forced air furnace

an electric clothes dryer runs off of 220 volts and the higher voltage is for the heating elements

a natural gas clothes dryer does not need 220 volts because the natural gas heat dries the clothes

but of course you knew all of that...
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#1497257 --- 04/01/17 08:43 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
new furnaces have mother boards which have the ability to do self diagnosis

the codes being displayed on the motherboard.


the 80% furnaces are basic models and do not need codes

either the gas valve and blower is working or they are not

but of course you knew that...
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#1497258 --- 04/01/17 08:52 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
ACs all have mother boards

Solenoids, switches, resisters are now integrated into the motherboard.


circuit board

there are not codes needed for an a/c unit

the a/c consists of the outside condensor and the inside coil

if you can not determine the fault at either one of those components you need to ask hillary for a job grin

(ps - it is resistors not resisters)
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#1497259 --- 04/01/17 09:30 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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I would say that you're in need of an medication adjustment, where you come up with some of these supposed thing I've said speaks volume to your mental state. Now if you think that I have anything to prove to a person a works behind a counter and ask the question "You want fries with that" In the final analogy, I'm getting a royal laugh out of the fact that I receive a nice pension and comfortable lifestyle out of NOT doing for a living that which you do. It's obvious that in your mind you know something but in reality, there's a reason that you lived off menial jobs all your life. BTW, don't forget to pick up a few copper magnets at your local hardware store. grin
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#1497277 --- 04/02/17 07:54 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
where you come up with some of these supposed thing I've said speaks volume to your mental state


what are you confused about?

your 'quotes' are directly from your own posts

see the interesting thing about a forum where you have to type in your response is that when you type out your response it can be viewed at a later date to show the conflict in your own statements

Originally Posted By: Formermac
Now if you think that I have anything to prove to a person a works behind a counter


who said you had to 'prove' anything?

you made a number of statements that lacked any merit

a furnace does NOT run off of 220 volts was one of many incorrect statements you made

you stated you installed hundreds of furnaces

one does not install hundreds of furnaces and then state a furnace is connected to a 220 volt electric line

a 220 volt line would damage the furnace

you stated that your an electrician with 34 years of 'experience'

an electrician with 34 years of 'experience' would know that there is 120 volts, 240 volts, 360 volts , 480 volts...

sometimes people refer to 240 volts as 220 volts

but of course you knew all that...
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#1497279 --- 04/02/17 08:11 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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yes I'm laughing my butt off because you've just perjured yourself by stating that I said this or that. Now for a little education my son, on a fluke meter showing a live graph of AC, the voltage values are more realistically 120 and 219 respectively because a dummy like yourself knows that voltage has the tendency to "sag" and "peak" what happens to a electrical component when this scenario exist. Now here is your chance to redeem any credibility you think you possess, a lack of response only confirms what most of us already know, your expertise in the area of mechanical is limited to possibly changing a light bulb.
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#1497281 --- 04/02/17 08:20 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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I'll help you out son, what is line conditioning? why do we need it? what's the value of a resistor having a painted stripe of purple and gold... remember son, no cheating by asking Google.
I don't need to make a fool of you solely for the fact that you've done that ALL BY YOURSELF.
lastly, one more question, how do you mount a thermostat on a wall if you can't take the front cover off.......I'm getting my body cast off Wednesday and this will allow me to roll on the floor laughing by blank off.
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#1497283 --- 04/02/17 08:31 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Now for a little education my son


so how many furnaces did you connect to a 220 volt line?
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#1497284 --- 04/02/17 08:33 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Why m I not surprise in regard to your lack of knowledge? grin
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