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#1497109 --- 03/29/17 05:50 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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The fact that the furnace is 6 years old, there's a 100% likelihood that it's a high energy furnace with no chimney but utilizing PVC piping, the "rain" is more than likely condensation which the new furnaces produce. I'm also thinking that since this person posted this several month ago, the problem has since been resolved and the tech found a malfunctioning CPU.

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#1497118 --- 03/29/17 08:09 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
The fact that the furnace is 6 years old, there's a 100% likelihood that it's a high energy furnace


incorrect
they still sell 80% furnaces - $500

Originally Posted By: Formermac
the "rain" is more than likely condensation which the new furnaces produce.


it sounds like it only happens when it rains
most likely not condensation based on the limited information provided

Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'm also thinking that since this person posted this several month ago, the problem has since been resolved and the tech found a malfunctioning CPU.


the motherboard has nothing to do with rain or condensation

if the motherboard failed the furnace would NOT work and there would be NO condensation on a non-running furnace
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#1497135 --- 03/29/17 04:43 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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No contest, I'm a electrician who have installed and wired hundreds of furnace, I bet the ranch that you don't even know how to diagnose a motherboard or secondary fan. BTW, 80% or 95%, neither requires a chimney and both produces condensation. whistle

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#1497136 --- 03/29/17 04:47 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: 123
The mother board had three fried diodes.


not a good sign
is the new mother board a direct match to the old one?

how long are the intake and exhaust pvc piping?
how many elbows are on each one?



MY MY, you just made an idiot of yourself by posting the problem found.

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#1497138 --- 03/29/17 07:09 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
No contest, I'm a electrician who have installed and wired hundreds of furnace,




wiring a furnace is far different than installing the entire unit

wiring 101

black wire to black wire (hot)
white wire to white wire (common)
ground wire to ground wire (bare copper wire)

LOL


Originally Posted By: Formermac
I bet the ranch that you don't even know how to diagnose a motherboard or secondary fan.


inducer...

you will lose your ranch... grin
is it a motherboard or a
Originally Posted By: Formermac
CPU
?

LOL

Originally Posted By: Formermac
BTW, 80% or 95%, neither requires a chimney and both produces condensation.


80% requires a metal vent pipe (flue) to a chimney or double wall exhaust pipe as the temperatures are too high and it will melt a pvc/plastic exhaust pipe

20% of the heat the 80% furnace produces goes out the exhaust and that is why the rating is 80% (100%-80%=20%)

the exhaust temps are much higher compared to a 95% furnace

the 95% can be vented with pvc/plastic line as the exhaust temperatures are low enough that it will not melt the pvc exhaust line

only 5% of the heat the 95% furnace produces goes out the exhaust and that is why the rating is 95% (100%-95%=5%)

a 'chimney' is required if the exhaust lacks a fan aka 'chimney effect'

but of course you knew all that grin
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#1497140 --- 03/29/17 07:24 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: 123
The mother board had three fried diodes.


MY MY, you just made an idiot of yourself by posting the problem found.


Quote:
Originally Posted By: 123
The mother board had three fried diodes.
Originally Posted By: Creeper
When it rains I have to keep a towel on top of my furnace to catch the rain drips.


poster '123' and poster 'Creeper' had two different unrelated problems

one (123) had a bad motherboard and the other (Creeper) has a condition when it rains

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#1497142 --- 03/29/17 09:28 PM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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yes I'm laughing son, ever run a furnace without electricity?
Once again, we won't get into a nonsensical debate for the reason that the furnace is fix and I've forgotten more then you'll every comprehend. Post your electrical license and DBA....what? you don't have either? Not surprising none whatsoever. We're done here. whistle

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#1497147 --- 03/30/17 09:04 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
The fact that the furnace is 6 years old, there's a 100% likelihood that it's a high energy furnace


Originally Posted By: Formermac
BTW, 80% or 95%, neither requires a chimney and both produces condensation.



thought you state that it was 100% a high 'energy' furnace and not an 80% furnace?

the term is high EFFICIENCY furnace not a a high 'energy' furnace...

an 80% furnace can not be vented with a plastic pipe because it will melt the pipe

if you have a natural gas water heater it most likely is vented into a metal pipe
because it is most likely an 80% water heater

better not touch the metal vent pipe of the water heater when the unit is on or you will lose some skin blush
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#1497148 --- 03/30/17 09:12 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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ROTFLMAO, funny how one post sends a squirrely individual to village idiot heaven. Tell me Blue, explain a diode and what is it's purpose, explain the mechanics of a onan generator, tell me how would you wire a disconnect switch and would your install it on the generator or service box? In regard to a 100% furnace, show me where I stated something as stupid as what you implied. Finally, on your test, explain a copper magnet function? grin

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#1497149 --- 03/30/17 09:17 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
yes I'm laughing son,


good for you


Originally Posted By: Formermac
ever run a furnace without electricity?


if you go over to a clients home because their light fixture is not working
you determine that the fixture only has one bulb and that the one bulb is blown
you replace the bulb

do you then go home and tell your friends that becuase you replaced one bulb in a light fixture that you have the knowledge to build that entire home?

LOL

Originally Posted By: Formermac
Once again, we won't get into a nonsensical debate for the reason that the furnace is fix and I've forgotten more then you'll every comprehend.



keep backtracking...


Originally Posted By: Formermac
Post your electrical license and DBA....what? you don't have either?


ever heard of a LLC?
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#1497150 --- 03/30/17 09:25 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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I own an electrical business and you?

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#1497151 --- 03/30/17 09:30 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: richard]
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Originally Posted By: richard
my air conditioner just wont work .=(


sometimes the easiest thing to check first is if the thermostat has batteries to check/replace the batteries
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#1497152 --- 03/30/17 09:30 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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BTW, I had a house built in 2013, guess who designed it, wired it, installed the boiler, ran the tubing, hot water heater, kitchen etc. It's a pretty cheap proposition when someone else can dig the basement, build the blocks, frame, roof, sidings, windows, insulation, drywall and you take it from there, now once again, your expertise is what?

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#1497154 --- 03/30/17 09:46 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: richard
my air conditioner just wont work .=(


sometimes the easiest thing to check first is if the thermostat has batteries to check/replace the batteries


Better yet, grab a fluke meter to see if 220 is there, if there's no current, check the breaker. wink
They call your style of operation "A##%$ Backward."

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#1497180 --- 03/31/17 07:33 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I own an electrical business


thought you were a HVAC installer? whistle

Originally Posted By: Fomermac
I'm a electrician who have installed and wired hundreds of furnace
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#1497183 --- 03/31/17 07:59 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: richard
my air conditioner just wont work .=(


sometimes the easiest thing to check first is if the thermostat has batteries to check/replace the batteries


Better yet, grab a fluke meter to see if 220 is there,


furnaces run on 120 volts not 220 volt grin
most homeowwners do not own a meter for testing voltage wink or know how to use it

Originally Posted By: Formermac
if there's no current, check the breaker.


or just check the breaker first because most homeowners do not own a test meter

Originally Posted By: Formermac
They call your style of operation "A##%$ Backward."


the batteries in the thermostat are more likely to run out of a charge before your situtation would present itself especially if the thermostat operates the furnace and the air conditioning functions

but you knew all that...

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#1497184 --- 03/31/17 08:17 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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One problem, idiot (you) fails to acknowledge that new furnaces have mother boards which have the ability to do self diagnosis, which reveals another fact, said idiot do not know the codes being displayed on the motherboard. Tell me, do you test your batteries by the old method of tongue being placed on battery terminal? grin

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#1497186 --- 03/31/17 08:23 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: richard
my air conditioner just wont work .=(


sometimes the easiest thing to check first is if the thermostat has batteries to check/replace the batteries


Better yet, grab a fluke meter to see if 220 is there,


furnaces run on 120 volts not 220 volt grin
most homeowwners do not own a meter for testing voltage wink or know how to use it

Originally Posted By: Formermac
if there's no current, check the breaker.


or just check the breaker first because most homeowners do not own a test meter

Originally Posted By: Formermac
They call your style of operation "A##%$ Backward."


the batteries in the thermostat are more likely to run out of a charge before your situtation would present itself especially if the thermostat operates the furnace and the air conditioning functions

but you knew all that...



What happens if the batteries are proven to be good? secondly, a thermostat is wired to 24 volts DC and the batteries are solely for the benefit of maintaining your preset programs. You know what they call people like your self? Fool or emergency room patients.

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#1497193 --- 03/31/17 09:01 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
One problem, idiot (you) fails to acknowledge that new furnaces have mother boards which have the ability to do self diagnosis,


when I reference the thermostat it was regarding the air conditioner problem

air conditioners do not have self diagnosis codes

it is you that has gotten off track - yet again


Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: richard
my air conditioner just wont work .=(

sometimes the easiest thing to check first is if the thermostat has batteries to check/replace the batteries


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#1497194 --- 03/31/17 09:09 AM Re: Furnace problems..any ideas? [Re: bluezone]
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False once again, ACs all have mother boards, look it up before embarrassing yourself once again. Solenoids, switches, resisters are now integrated into the motherboard. In your case, you must first first get on track before derailing yourself.

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