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#1307995 - 11/15/11 07:14 PM Going off the grid
twocats
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So, I'm looking into solar power and I found a company that has a lease option. They install and maintain the solar unit for the life of the lease. Free estimate. I just got off the phone with a nice NO pressure representative. I'll keep you informed in case anyone else is interested.

http://www.sungevity.com/solar-lease-d
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#1308021 - 11/16/11 12:05 AM Re: Going off the grid [Re: twocats]
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Grid power is cheaper.
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#1308260 - 11/17/11 04:11 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: VM Smith]
twocats
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Is that sarcastic because everything I'm seeing, especially with all the rebates, is making me lean towards solar.
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#1308302 - 11/18/11 07:57 AM Re: Going off the grid [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Is that sarcastic because everything I'm seeing, especially with all the rebates, is making me lean towards solar.



If it's cheaper, why do the rest of us have to pay you to use it?

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#1308352 - 11/18/11 03:06 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
If it's cheaper, why do the rest of us have to pay you to use it?


Huh? I'm not understanding what you mean by "the rest of us pay you to use it".


Anyway, for giggles I had them give me a price quote. Apparently, between what the new electric bill would be, plus the monthly lease fee, I would be paying $9 more per month than now.

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#1308358 - 11/18/11 04:33 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
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Originally Posted By: MeRightYouWrong
Huh? I'm not understanding what you mean by "the rest of us pay you to use it".



I'm not suprised.

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#1308361 - 11/18/11 04:51 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: sands]
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Explain what you mean that the rest of us would be paying her to use solar panels?

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#1308388 - 11/19/11 01:49 AM Re: Going off the grid [Re: twocats]
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If solar were cheaper, the power company would generate all their electricity with solar.

If solar were cheaper, everyone would use it.

The power company will sell consumers electricity generated from alternative sources, but the only buyers are those to whom having the warm, superior feeling of being "green" is more important than lower bills.
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#1308435 - 11/19/11 12:34 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: VM Smith]
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I don't know. I just think power companies don't want to invest all the capital it would take to have mass distribution of solar energy. With all the rebates, it would cost me $6,000 to go solar for electricity.

Or for $34 a month, I can sign on to a 20 year lease where the company gets the tax credits, installs, owns and maintains the unit. I'm going to have an attorney friend read over the contract for me, but it seems like a pretty decent setup. No MAJOR savings, just $20 a month or so, averaged out, but there is that warm superior feeling of going green that you just can't put a dollar sign on. \:\)
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#1308446 - 11/19/11 02:42 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
If solar were cheaper, the power company would generate all their electricity with solar.

If solar were cheaper, everyone would use it.

The power company will sell consumers electricity generated from alternative sources, but the only buyers are those to whom having the warm, superior feeling of being "green" is more important than lower bills.





Are you suggesting we continue pursuing non-renewable resources, or nuclear energy for our future needs?


Up to this point, U.S. power companies have little incentive to consider revamping their short-sighted approach to energy. Our neglect is letting other countries jump ahead of us in becoming professionals at what could very well be a dominant form of power in the next 20 years.


I think individual efforts toward residential solar power is the future. Advancements in solar technology continues to grow as does it's popularity. Many solar options exist for the homeowner.

It's time to get off the grid.





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#1308448 - 11/19/11 03:22 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Advancements in solar technology continues to grow as does it's popularity.




Just ask Solyndra. Oh, you can't. They went bankrupt. Just after getting $528 million dollars.

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#1308489 - 11/19/11 08:49 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: sands]
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U.S. Solar Energy Industry Continues Record-Setting Growth in 2011

Market continues strong growth in Q1 2011, both in new installed capacity and increases in U.S. solar manufacturing
U.S. Solar Energy Industry Continues Record-Setting Growth in 2011


SEIA / GTM Research

The U.S. solar energy industry continued to be one of the fastest-growing sectors of the economy in Q1 2011 according to the U.S. Solar Market Insight: Q1 2011 report released today by the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) and GTM Research.

In total, cumulative grid-connected solar electric installations have reached more than 2.85 gigawatts (GW), enough to power nearly 600,000 U.S. homes.

In the first quarter of 2011, the United States installed 252 megawatts (MW) of grid-connected photovoltaics (PV) or 66 percent year-over-year growth over Q1 2010 installations. Two major factors drove this growth: falling solar energy equipment costs and a rush to take advantage of the Section 1603 Treasury program that was expected to expire in 2010 (the program was eventually extended through the end of 2011).

All three PV market sectors (residential, commercial and utility) continued to grow, with commercial installations showing the strongest gains.

"On the whole, the U.S. is currently the PV industry's most attractive and stable growth market," said Shayle Kann, Managing Director of Solar at GTM Research. "This is reflected in our report's quarterly market data and in the comments from global suppliers, distributors, and developers, all of whom see the U.S. positioned to nearly double its global market share in 2011 and support a greater diversity of installation types than has been previously seen in any leading demand center."

Geographically, the U.S. market was concentrated in a few key states. In Q1 2010, the top seven states comprised 82 percent of total installations, but that figure grew to 88 percent in Q1 2011, implying that established, leading markets gained an even larger share. The pace of installations grew more than 50 percent in 11 of the 21 states analyzed in the report.

Price declines were also an important factor in the Q1 2011 solar expansion, as technology costs fell and the industry matured further, capitalizing on greater economies of scale and streamlined project development and installation.

Domestic PV module production in Q1 2011 amounted to 348 MW, a 31 percent increase over Q1 2010.

"With analysts predicting that the U.S. will become the world's largest solar market within the next few years, manufacturers are increasingly looking to the U.S. to site their facilities," said Tom Kimbis, SEIA Vice-President of Strategy and External Affairs. "They are finding significant value in manufacturing close to their expected source of demand. This strong demand continues to make solar one of the fastest growing industries in the United States and a source of thousands of good jobs from manufacturing and installation to engineering and sales"

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#1308508 - 11/20/11 05:05 AM Re: Going off the grid [Re: Ayuveda]
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Sure and why not ;\) the way our Government has thrown taxpayer money at the Industry. Not that it's a bad thing. But at the same time the Government shouldn't be blindly shutting down other sources of energy, just to fund the renewable types as they are trying to perfect them and bring costs down. There are still many jobs that could be made available using all types of fuels. No one type of fuel will fill all our energy requirements.
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#1308554 - 11/20/11 12:45 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Market continues strong growth in Q1 2011



I don't doubt it. When just one company spends $1.8 million on lobbying, I would expect to see the market go up! I wonder how the market was in the 3rd quarter of 2011 after Solyndra took our 528 million, filed for bankruptcy, and laid-off its employees? Or maybe that's why you used the figures for the first quarter ;\)

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#1308568 - 11/20/11 03:09 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: sands]
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Solar sector healthy despite Solyndra
Published: Oct. 17, 2011


DALLAS, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- The solar power industry in the United States is booming, an energy executive said as scrutiny over bankrupt solar-panel company Solyndra grows.

Representatives from the global solar power sector convene in Dallas this week for an international conference.

Arno Harris, the top executive at solar-power company Recurrent Energy, was quoted by The Wall Street Journal as saying the sector was doing well despite Solyndra's bankruptcy.

"It's important to separate all that (Solyndra) noise from what's actually going on, which is that solar in the U.S. is stronger than ever and the economic fundamentals are really strong," Harris said.

SolarReserve Chief Executive Officer Kevin Smith said the sector was on pace for key growth but that growth might stall without bipartisan support from U.S. lawmakers.

"I still think we're going to see growth in the solar market because it makes commercial sense," he added.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-.../#ixzz1eHHwUMUv





Bloomberg New Energy Finance: Global renewable energy investments to total USD 7 trillion by 2030; solar power to reach 1,137 GW by 2030

BNEF estimates that solar will represent a large portion of renewable energy investments for the next 20 years.

On November 16th, 2011, Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF, New York, New York, U.S.) released a report which predicts that the annual value of new renewable energy capacity will reach USD 460 billion in 2030, representing a total investment of USD 7 trillion over the next 20 years.

The company states that this will result in 15.7% of total energy production coming from renewable energy sources in 2030, a 3.1% increase over 2010, and that solar power will have the second-fastest percentage growth among technologies, to reach 1,137 GW by 2030.

"These results indicate that last year's record renewable energy investment was no one-off despite the recent economic gloom," states BNEF Director of Commodity Market Research Guy Turner.

"Big winners over the next 20 years will be the emerging renewable energy hubs in Latin America, Asia, the Middle East and Africa – by 2020 the markets outside of the EU, US, Canada and China will account for 50% of global annual investment in renewable energy capacity."

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#1308574 - 11/20/11 05:16 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: Ayuveda]
sands
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
an energy executive said



An energy executive? Isn't that exactly what your 99% is protesting against? But now you're telling us to believe the evil energy executives? Wait until occupy (insert obscure park name here) hears about this! I hope they don't ask you for their, "I Occupied Wall Street And All I Got Was This T-Shirt and Rash" T-shirt back.

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#1308661 - 11/21/11 12:06 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
an energy executive said



An energy executive? Isn't that exactly what your 99% is protesting against? But now you're telling us to believe the evil energy executives? Wait until occupy (insert obscure park name here) hears about this! I hope they don't ask you for their, "I Occupied Wall Street And All I Got Was This T-Shirt and Rash" T-shirt back.



And that has something to do with the many folks choosing a sustainable energy source?

Nice try.
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#1308719 - 11/21/11 04:24 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: Ayuveda]
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Solyndra is a drop in Halliburton's bucket.

Edited by twocats (11/21/11 04:24 PM)
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#1308740 - 11/21/11 06:06 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: Ayuveda]
sands
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
And that has something to do with the many folks choosing a sustainable energy source?



Strange, nobody had to pay me to buy my solar panels. I just moved them from the roof to the chicken coop to light it for the winter months.

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#1308757 - 11/21/11 07:10 PM Re: Going off the grid [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Just ask Solyndra. Oh, you can't. They went bankrupt. Just after getting $528 million dollars.


Ex-Solyndra Staff To Get $13,000 Each In TAA Federal Aid

That means all of the firm’s 1,100 ex-employees are eligible for federal aid packages, including job retraining and income assistance. The department has valued packages at about $13,000 a head.

Taxpayers will have to cough up yet another $14.3 million as a result of Solyndra’s bankruptcy. They are already on the hook for $528 million in federal loan guarantees to the company that are unlikely to ever be paid back.


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