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#1337801 - 04/11/12 07:28 PM

Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Genevan]

twocats
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If it wasn't for people demanding protection of their natural resources, companies would pollute at will if it boosted their bottom line. Thank you, activists, for bringing these potential issues to light and fighting for the regulations that are currently in place.

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#1337805 - 04/11/12 07:43 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: twocats]
Gluskap Gluskap Member Registered: 09/03/11 Posts: 139 Loc: Finger Lakes	Thank you twocats for being sensible! $;\)$ _________________________ "...only the unscrupulous or shortsighted can defend pollution and degradation of the countryside."
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#1337845 - 04/11/12 09:43 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Genevan]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: Genevan Its called democracy - if you don't like it move out of the country. Besides, according to you - you don't even live in Geneva... What's living in Geneva got to do with anything?
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#1337846 - 04/11/12 09:47 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: twocats]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: twocats If it wasn't for people demanding protection of their natural resources, companies would pollute at will if it boosted their bottom line. Thank you, activists, for bringing these potential issues to light and fighting for the regulations that are currently in place. All these activist people do is slow everything down and drive the cost to do business up. They never base their theories on facts only what if's and scare tactics. We have the DEC and EPA to look after things that's what they are paid to do.
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#1337847 - 04/11/12 09:55 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
twocats twocats Silver Member Registered: 02/09/10 Posts: 10776 Loc: NYS	Originally Posted By: rj1 All these activist people do is slow everything down and drive the cost to do business up. They never base their theories on facts only what if's and scare tactics. We have the DEC and EPA to look after things that's what they are paid to do. The DEC and the EPA are there because the people---not the corporations---demanded it. Their regulations come from the activists and scientists who aren't governed by the Almighty dollar. God Forbid business consider the health of Great Unwashed when they could make an extra billion by doing as they please. It's not their backyard; that's for sure. _________________________ Dismiss whatever insults your own soul. Walt Whitman
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#1337849 - 04/11/12 10:07 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: twocats]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: twocats Originally Posted By: rj1 All these activist people do is slow everything down and drive the cost to do business up. They never base their theories on facts only what if's and scare tactics. We have the DEC and EPA to look after things that's what they are paid to do. The DEC and the EPA are there because the people---not the corporations---demanded it. Their regulations come from the activists and scientists who aren't governed by the Almighty dollar. God Forbid business consider the health of Great Unwashed when they could make an extra billion by doing as they please. It's not their backyard; that's for sure. Their regulations come from the activists. What a joke. If that were true nothing would ever get done. Things would be held up forever because somebody might sneeze.
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#1337851 - 04/11/12 10:11 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
twocats twocats Silver Member Registered: 02/09/10 Posts: 10776 Loc: NYS	Originally Posted By: rj1 Their regulations come from the activists. What a joke. If that were true nothing would ever get done. Things would be held up forever because somebody might sneeze. Riiiigggghhhhttt...businesses made up all those pesky laws and begged for their enforcement. _________________________ Dismiss whatever insults your own soul. Walt Whitman
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#1337852 - 04/11/12 10:18 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: twocats]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: twocats Originally Posted By: rj1 Their regulations come from the activists. What a joke. If that were true nothing would ever get done. Things would be held up forever because somebody might sneeze. Riiiigggghhhhttt...businesses made up all those pesky laws and begged for their enforcement. I think you'll find most laws are written because of common peoples concerns. Not one extreme or the other.
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#1337902 - 04/12/12 05:39 AM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
Genevan Genevan Senior Member Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 1641 Loc: Geneva	OSHA developed under GOP Nixon. Forget the fracker's propaganda - there's a surplus of natural gas and we don't need fracking... The Associated Press April 8, 2012 Natural gas glut means drilling boom must slow By JONATHAN FAHEY The U.S. natural gas market is bursting at the seams. So much natural gas is being produced that soon there may be nowhere left to put the country's swelling surplus. After years of explosive growth, natural gas producers are retrenching. _________________________ Statements by this member are personal opinion and are not to be construed as intentional slander.
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#1338154 - 04/12/12 10:53 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Genevan]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: Genevan OSHA developed under GOP Nixon. Forget the fracker's propaganda - there's a surplus of natural gas and we don't need fracking... The Associated Press April 8, 2012 Natural gas glut means drilling boom must slow By JONATHAN FAHEY The U.S. natural gas market is bursting at the seams. So much natural gas is being produced that soon there may be nowhere left to put the country's swelling surplus. After years of explosive growth, natural gas producers are retrenching. There's a lot of storage under Seneca Lake! LOL!
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#1339458 - 04/18/12 07:46 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Lansing Town Talk: Cargill offers salt mine tours as fundraiser for Racker Centers Maybe Gas Free Seneca should look into this as a fundraiser! LOL!
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#1339466 - 04/18/12 08:36 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	Originally Posted By: rj1 Lansing Town Talk: Cargill offers salt mine tours as fundraiser for Racker Centers Maybe Gas Free Seneca should look into this as a fundraiser! LOL! HAHAHA..... _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1339470 - 04/18/12 09:05 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Ayuveda]
Genevan Genevan Senior Member Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 1641 Loc: Geneva	Was the white flag was raised... _________________________ Statements by this member are personal opinion and are not to be construed as intentional slander.
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#1339477 - 04/18/12 09:35 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Genevan]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: Genevan Was the white flag was raised... Very doubtful!
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#1339478 - 04/18/12 09:38 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: Ayuveda Originally Posted By: rj1 Lansing Town Talk: Cargill offers salt mine tours as fundraiser for Racker Centers Maybe Gas Free Seneca should look into this as a fundraiser! LOL! HAHAHA..... You gotta raise money somehow. Nobody wants to donate to a group that wants to keep their finances secret. What do they have to hide? Are the leaders getting some free meals or some new clothes?
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#1339509 - 04/19/12 06:16 AM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
Genevan Genevan Senior Member Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 1641 Loc: Geneva	OOOOOOOOOPSY...what have we here....bad frack air needs to be controlled....thought it was safe....NOT By Neela Banerjee, Los Angeles Times April 18, 2012, 5:48 p.m. WASHINGTON — TheU.S. Environmental Protection Agencyissued regulations that for the first time will curtail air pollution from natural gas wells that use a controversial production technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. _________________________ Statements by this member are personal opinion and are not to be construed as intentional slander.
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#1339511 - 04/19/12 06:19 AM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Genevan]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: Genevan OOOOOOOOOPSY...what have we here....bad frack air needs to be controlled....thought it was safe....NOT By Neela Banerjee, Los Angeles Times April 18, 2012, 5:48 p.m. WASHINGTON — TheU.S. Environmental Protection Agencyissued regulations that for the first time will curtail air pollution from natural gas wells that use a controversial production technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. So how come your buddies at FLZW want to keep their finances secret. Don't you think people should be able to know where their donations are going. I thought they were for open everything. They are doing what they accuse the government of. Your buddy Dougie getting some free meals or new duds? Edited by rj1 (04/19/12 06:24 AM)
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#1339514 - 04/19/12 06:28 AM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Genevan]
rj1 rj1 Member Registered: 02/18/12 Posts: 429 Loc: ny	Originally Posted By: Genevan OOOOOOOOOPSY...what have we here....bad frack air needs to be controlled....thought it was safe....NOT By Neela Banerjee, Los Angeles Times April 18, 2012, 5:48 p.m. WASHINGTON — TheU.S. Environmental Protection Agencyissued regulations that for the first time will curtail air pollution from natural gas wells that use a controversial production technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. Who said that? Nothing wrong with new regs. One less thing for you to cry and whine about.
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#1339524 - 04/19/12 08:14 AM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda Ayuveda Senior Member Registered: 04/05/10 Posts: 6367 Loc: Imagine	Originally Posted By: rj1 So how come your buddies at FLZW want to keep their finances secret. Don't you think people should be able to know where their donations are going. I thought they were for open everything. They are doing what they accuse the government of. Your buddy Dougie getting some free meals or new duds? Are you accusing Finger Lakes Zero Waste of financial impropriety? Have you contacted the IRS or law enforcement? Thought so. Just another smear attempt aimed at grassroots efforts to protect our environmenr. _________________________ Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better. -graffiti in Athens
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#1339596 - 04/19/12 05:19 PM Re: DEC public hearing on LPG storage Sept 27 [Re: Gluskap]
Gluskap Gluskap Member Registered: 09/03/11 Posts: 139 Loc: Finger Lakes	http://www.observer-review.com/news.php?viewStory=3034 Application lacks detail for Inergy project READING—Inergy LLC’s permit application to construct a $40 million liquid petroleum gas storage and transfer facility is incomplete for a second time, according to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. In the letter dated April 2, the DEC said Inergy still needs to provide documents from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, new engineering reports, explanation of project descriptions, and an update of the facility’s storm-water pollution prevention plan. New information was needed because Inergy made changes to the proposed project. The first notice of incomplete was from March 5, 2012. One adjustment is constructing two brine ponds, instead of the original one pond. The brine will be used to push gas out of the underground storage areas. The DEC said they need engineering design reports and drawings for the new brine ponds. In addition, because the total volume of the proposed brine ponds is significantly less than the volume of product storage, further operational details are needed so the state can evaluate how the ponds will interact with the existing U.S. Salt facility. The DEC explained they also need to see if U.S. Salt’s permit will need to be modified. The state also wanted to know how changes would impact the facility’s storm-water pollution prevention plan. Inergy was asked to provide information on possibly requiring coverage under the multi-sector general permit. The DEC added that the underground storage system described in the draft environmental impact statement is different than what is described in Inergy’s federal filings and what is on Inergy’s website. The state said, “Please discuss these differences as they potentially present staff with a segmentation issue, if the application materials do not describe the entire project that the company plans.” The agency is also reviewing Inergy’s quantitative risk analysis (QRA). The DEC said there may be additional comments from that. All of the information is needed for the state to make a final decision on Inergy’s permit application to construct the storage and transfer facility. _________________________ "...only the unscrupulous or shortsighted can defend pollution and degradation of the countryside."
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