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#1337884 - 04/12/12 03:55 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
yunima
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The money will remain in the USA placing People in america to work and enhancing our economic climate. Everything is based on provide and need. Why do you think natural gas is so inexpensive right now?



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#1337885 - 04/12/12 03:56 AM Re: fracking news [Re: yunima]
yunima
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Registered: 04/12/12
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Loc: new york, usa
The money will remain in the USA placing People in america to work and enhancing our economic climate. Everything is based on provide and need. Why do you think natural gas is so inexpensive right now?




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#1338212 - 04/13/12 09:41 AM Re: fracking news [Re: yunima]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
Originally Posted By: yunima
The money will remain in the USA placing People in america to work and enhancing our economic climate. Everything is based on provide and need. Why do you think natural gas is so inexpensive right now?


Why do you think the money will stay in the USA? Where is Romney keeping his money? Oversea accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Where does the CEO's of gas companies keep their billions and bonuses? I betcha it is not in the USA.
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#1338279 - 04/13/12 02:04 PM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: yunima
The money will remain in the USA placing People in america to work and enhancing our economic climate. Everything is based on provide and need. Why do you think natural gas is so inexpensive right now?


Why do you think the money will stay in the USA? Where is Romney keeping his money? Oversea accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Where does the CEO's of gas companies keep their billions and bonuses? I betcha it is not in the USA.



Putting thousands of people back to work and getting our economy moving is what I care about. I could care less what Romney does with his money.

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#1338370 - 04/13/12 09:17 PM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: yunima
The money will remain in the USA placing People in america to work and enhancing our economic climate. Everything is based on provide and need. Why do you think natural gas is so inexpensive right now?


Why do you think the money will stay in the USA? Where is Romney keeping his money? Oversea accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Where does the CEO's of gas companies keep their billions and bonuses? I betcha it is not in the USA.
Exactly!!!!!

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#1338372 - 04/13/12 09:20 PM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: yunima
The money will remain in the USA placing People in america to work and enhancing our economic climate. Everything is based on provide and need. Why do you think natural gas is so inexpensive right now?


Why do you think the money will stay in the USA? Where is Romney keeping his money? Oversea accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Where does the CEO's of gas companies keep their billions and bonuses? I betcha it is not in the USA.



Putting thousands of people back to work and getting our economy moving is what I care about. I could care less what Romney does with his money.
Romney is no different than our current president. Take some time and do your research. Wake up USA.

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#1338382 - 04/13/12 09:56 PM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
outlet
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Registered: 03/04/12
Posts: 125
Loc: penn yan ny
Please do some research and wake up. It's not about poltics, it's about freedom. ;\)

Edited by outlet (04/13/12 09:57 PM)

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#1338383 - 04/13/12 09:59 PM Re: fracking news [Re: outlet]
nolyingpy
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 234
Loc: nolyingpy
I think it's safe to say rj1 does their research. They just don't agree with you! I think there have been a lot of valid points made.
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#1338395 - 04/13/12 10:41 PM Re: fracking news [Re: pennyantv]
PYEMT
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Registered: 01/05/12
Posts: 10
Loc: NY
I got my NYSEG bill the other day and included in it was a breakdown of the fuel sources used for generating electricity. I was surprised that the number 1 source was Natural Gas. The breakdown they provided was

Natural Gas - 44%
Nuclear - 25%
Hydroelectric 16%
Coal 11%
Oil 2%
Wind 1%
Biomass, solar and solid waste combined accounted under 2%

This may not be a nationwide average but it opened my eyes to how much natural gas plays into electricity, not just home heating.

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#1338415 - 04/13/12 11:19 PM Re: fracking news [Re: PYEMT]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: PYEMT
I got my NYSEG bill the other day and included in it was a breakdown of the fuel sources used for generating electricity. I was surprised that the number 1 source was Natural Gas. The breakdown they provided was

Natural Gas - 44%
Nuclear - 25%
Hydroelectric 16%
Coal 11%
Oil 2%
Wind 1%
Biomass, solar and solid waste combined accounted under 2%

This may not be a nationwide average but it opened my eyes to how much natural gas plays into electricity, not just home heating.



The New EPA regulations has made a lot of power plants switch from coal to natural gas. Why do you think the plant in Dresden closed?

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#1338442 - 04/14/12 08:01 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
PYEMT
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Registered: 01/05/12
Posts: 10
Loc: NY
AES in Dresden basically closed as they were not cost competitive against other fuel sources. At least that was their statement. Coal produces more air emissions that need to be treated and even with their biomass project, they could not compete.

I also know there was a wind project that was planned for Yates County but the developer pulled the plug indicating the project was not cost effective based on the wholesale electric which was at a two year low. Wind energy costs more. In the NYSEG bill you could sign up for Wind produced electricity at an additional $5.00 per month. For those that don't want Natural Gas drilling, I wonder how many purchase wind energy through their electic bill ?

It is fine to not want Natural Gas drilling, but if Solar and Wind are more expensive green options and people are not signing up for the additional expense of supporting those options, how do we get away from natural gas being needed ?

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#1338470 - 04/14/12 11:40 AM Re: fracking news [Re: PYEMT]
TheKing
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Registered: 07/22/08
Posts: 103
Loc: Finger Lakes
Very good question PYEMT. So all of the anti drillers out there, McLovin, Ayuveda, etc. Have you enrolled in the alternative energy programs?
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#1338515 - 04/14/12 04:09 PM Re: fracking news [Re: PYEMT]
Gluskap
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Registered: 09/03/11
Posts: 139
Loc: Finger Lakes
This is a great question. I can't help but wonder how many people even know about this wind energy purchase option? I did not until I read your post. I really appreciate the information you provided. I looked at my most recent bill (March) and don't see the information that you show here. I checked it out at NYSEG's website and found more info:

http://www.nyseg.com/YourHome/newwindenergy/default.html

$5.00 buys you 200 kilowatt hours of wind energy. They say the average household uses 600 kw/month - so $5 buys you about 1/3 of your energy - on average. You can purchase additional energy at $2.50 per 100 kilowatt hours.

From what I can see, it appears to be a great option and one that I will likely sign up for.

I'm wondering if this information was in an insert within the NYSEG bill? If that's the case, I may have simply recycled it without looking at it - lesson learned!

Thanks again for this information!
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#1338546 - 04/14/12 07:59 PM Re: fracking news [Re: TheKing]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
Originally Posted By: TheKing
Very good question PYEMT. So all of the anti drillers out there, McLovin, Ayuveda, etc. Have you enrolled in the alternative energy programs?


I would if I could but I can't since I live in Penn Yan and use Municipal electricity.
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#1339326 - 04/18/12 05:38 AM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
Samuel
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Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4438
Loc: Potter, NY
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/17/news/economy/natural-gas-export/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

Here's where the natural gas is planned to go. (Export) NOT to benefit us and "lower the price." It is created and supported by big oil companies to sell to other countries to make MORE MONEY than the billions they already make every year on gasoline. As I said two years ago. Hydrofracking is a means of extracting the gas that is too risky. It won't provide anything but a risk, an eyesore an expense to the townships and Yates County. Jerusalem has it right.

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#1339328 - 04/18/12 07:14 AM Re: fracking news [Re: Samuel]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Samuel
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/17/news/economy/natural-gas-export/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

Here's where the natural gas is planned to go. (Export) NOT to benefit us and "lower the price." It is created and supported by big oil companies to sell to other countries to make MORE MONEY than the billions they already make every year on gasoline. As I said two years ago. Hydrofracking is a means of extracting the gas that is too risky. It won't provide anything but a risk, an eyesore an expense to the townships and Yates County. Jerusalem has it right.


That's just crazy talk Samuel. Why do you think the price of NG gas is low now? It based on supply. The supply is high because of all the drilling. To say it won't help our economy is foolish at best. It will put thousands of people to work and give our economy a much needed boost. If people switched their vehicles to NG it would cut down greatly on our need for foreign oil until fuels cells are perfected.

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#1339334 - 04/18/12 08:05 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
I see that the Town of Albany (which includes the City of Albany) has passed a BAN on hydrofracking. It is comforting to know that our State Government, including our Governor, is protected.
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#1339336 - 04/18/12 08:11 AM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
I see that the Town of Albany (which includes the City of Albany) has passed a BAN on hydrofracking. It is comforting to know that our State Government, including our Governor, is protected.



Yeah. Give me a break!

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#1339365 - 04/18/12 10:54 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
Samuel
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Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4438
Loc: Potter, NY
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Samuel
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/17/news/economy/natural-gas-export/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

Here's where the natural gas is planned to go. (Export) NOT to benefit us and "lower the price." It is created and supported by big oil companies to sell to other countries to make MORE MONEY than the billions they already make every year on gasoline. As I said two years ago. Hydrofracking is a means of extracting the gas that is too risky. It won't provide anything but a risk, an eyesore an expense to the townships and Yates County. Jerusalem has it right.


That's just crazy talk Samuel. Why do you think the price of NG gas is low now? It based on supply. The supply is high because of all the drilling. To say it won't help our economy is foolish at best. It will put thousands of people to work and give our economy a much needed boost. If people switched their vehicles to NG it would cut down greatly on our need for foreign oil until fuels cells are perfected.


Don't think so RJ. We have enough supply without the major oil companies going all out to drill where ever they want, which would have been with absolutely no restrictions without the arguments and questions of the public. Nothing wrong with making sure they do it right AND townships have the right to say no. It WILL NOT put thousands of Yates County people to work. It would put maybe 100 if that. Natural gas vehicles are a waste of the expense of trying to retrofit them. Ask the several school districts who have tried. We don't need foreign oil we need our own, and we have it. The cost of gas is too high because it is nearly 40% tax. Whatever the case if the Big Oil hydrofracking companies want to come in here and drill wells they can do it the old way without the sludge chemical water and the need to get rid of the crap. No one has had a problem with that.

How is shipping all that natural gas through the pipeline to the south, then overseas going to help out any Yates County resident?

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#1339461 - 04/18/12 08:04 PM Re: fracking news [Re: Samuel]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 429
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Samuel
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Samuel
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/17/news/economy/natural-gas-export/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

Here's where the natural gas is planned to go. (Export) NOT to benefit us and "lower the price." It is created and supported by big oil companies to sell to other countries to make MORE MONEY than the billions they already make every year on gasoline. As I said two years ago. Hydrofracking is a means of extracting the gas that is too risky. It won't provide anything but a risk, an eyesore an expense to the townships and Yates County. Jerusalem has it right.


That's just crazy talk Samuel. Why do you think the price of NG gas is low now? It based on supply. The supply is high because of all the drilling. To say it won't help our economy is foolish at best. It will put thousands of people to work and give our economy a much needed boost. If people switched their vehicles to NG it would cut down greatly on our need for foreign oil until fuels cells are perfected.


Don't think so RJ. We have enough supply without the major oil companies going all out to drill where ever they want, which would have been with absolutely no restrictions without the arguments and questions of the public. Nothing wrong with making sure they do it right AND townships have the right to say no. It WILL NOT put thousands of Yates County people to work. It would put maybe 100 if that. Natural gas vehicles are a waste of the expense of trying to retrofit them. Ask the several school districts who have tried. We don't need foreign oil we need our own, and we have it. The cost of gas is too high because it is nearly 40% tax. Whatever the case if the Big Oil hydrofracking companies want to come in here and drill wells they can do it the old way without the sludge chemical water and the need to get rid of the crap. No one has had a problem with that.

How is shipping all that natural gas through the pipeline to the south, then overseas going to help out any Yates County resident?



It's called tax. No one said thousands in YC. Thousands in the state though. If YC could get 100 well paying jobs then go for it. What other prospects do we have? More seasonal tourism jobs?
As far as fracking waste water nearly half is being recycled and by the end of next year most of it will be. I'm seeing more and more commercial NG vehicles everyday. Casella is in the process of converting all their vehicles to NG. It's better to pay $2 for NG than $4.50 for diesel. It doesn't take long to pay for the conversion.

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