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#1328203 - 02/27/12 10:46 PM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Why? Are you afraid the best chance frackers have is by undermining the will of concerned citizens represented by their local municipalities?

It ain't happening anyway. Your question is moot.
I figured you wouldn't give a straight answer because you know I'm right.

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#1328327 - 02/28/12 08:17 PM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Why? Are you afraid the best chance frackers have is by undermining the will of concerned citizens represented by their local municipalities?

It ain't happening anyway. Your question is moot.
I figured you wouldn't give a straight answer because you know I'm right.



Not surprised. You're arrogant enough to actually believe that.
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#1328343 - 02/28/12 11:23 PM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
McLovin'
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Originally Posted By: rj1
So your telling me you think your side would win a statewide referendum?


Yes, especially if those who live in the protected NYC and Skaneateles Watersheds aren't allowed to vote.

Maybe each county (or watershed) should decide (by voting) for themselves if they want to be fracked. I think I could almost be persuaded to vote to have Long Island fracked if it would lower my taxes.
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#1328346 - 02/29/12 12:25 AM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
rj1
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Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: rj1
So your telling me you think your side would win a statewide referendum?


Yes, especially if those who live in the protected NYC and Skaneateles Watersheds aren't allowed to vote.

Maybe each county (or watershed) should decide (by voting) for themselves if they want to be fracked. I think I could almost be persuaded to vote to have Long Island fracked if it would lower my taxes.


Typical for people like you. It's OK if it isn't in my bakyard. What a hypocrite.

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#1328347 - 02/29/12 12:28 AM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Why? Are you afraid the best chance frackers have is by undermining the will of concerned citizens represented by their local municipalities?

It ain't happening anyway. Your question is moot.
I figured you wouldn't give a straight answer because you know I'm right.



Not surprised. You're arrogant enough to actually believe that.
I am right and you know it. You guys wouldn't have a chance in a statewide referendum.

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#1328355 - 02/29/12 03:34 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
McLovin'
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That's my point rj1. People who are not affected by this dangerous procedure would tend to vote to have it done somewhere else. If people who are affected and seeing the windfall are the ones deciding, my bet is this will be defeated every time.

Edited by McLovin' (02/29/12 07:24 AM)
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#1328456 - 02/29/12 02:40 PM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
Ayuveda
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Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.



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#1328480 - 02/29/12 05:12 PM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
McLovin'
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.


I agree. Hydrofracking in no way should be based on popular vote. The current survey in the Finger Lakes Times has LESS THAN 30% of those responding are in favor of hydrofracking.
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#1328685 - 03/01/12 01:05 AM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
rj1
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Originally Posted By: McLovin'
That's my point rj1. People who are not affected by this dangerous procedure would tend to vote to have it done somewhere else. If people who are affected and seeing the windfall are the ones deciding, my bet is this will be defeated every time.
Everybody is affected statewide. When you try and depress the economy by holding back jobs and tax revenue all state people are affected by halving to pay higher taxes.

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#1328687 - 03/01/12 01:06 AM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.



You're against it because you know you would lose.

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#1328688 - 03/01/12 01:12 AM Re: fracking news [Re: McLovin']
rj1
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Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.


I agree. Hydrofracking in no way should be based on popular vote. The current survey in the Finger Lakes Times has LESS THAN 30% of those responding are in favor of hydrofracking.
Fracking should be based on popular vote because it affects everybody statewide. You can't go by a FLT survey because the only ones who respond are the complainers and whiners. Such as when you have public meetings on fracking and only 100 people show up. The pro peole say why bother it's only 100 people but town councils think that these people speak for the majority which they don't.

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#1328786 - 03/01/12 10:44 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.



You're against it because you know you would lose.



Wrong.

I'm against your suggestion of a statewide referendum, nothing more a lever to override local laws and ordinances designed to to protect our environment.
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#1329053 - 03/01/12 09:03 PM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.



You're against it because you know you would lose.



Wrong.

I'm against your suggestion of a statewide referendum, nothing more a lever to override local laws and ordinances designed to to protect our environment.
There should be no local laws on enviromental concerns. That's the job of the DEC not some uninformed local yocals who have no clue what they are talking about and only rely on hysteria pumped up by a bunch of wacko websites and people trying to be somebody and who are on a power grab. As far as a referendum it should be statewide because all these dumb local actions effect everybody statewide.

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#1329228 - 03/02/12 10:43 AM Re: fracking news [Re: rj1]
Ayuveda
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Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.



You're against it because you know you would lose.



Wrong.

I'm against your suggestion of a statewide referendum, nothing more a lever to override local laws and ordinances designed to to protect our environment.
There should be no local laws on enviromental concerns. That's the job of the DEC not some uninformed local yocals who have no clue what they are talking about and only rely on hysteria pumped up by a bunch of wacko websites and people trying to be somebody and who are on a power grab. As far as a referendum it should be statewide because all these dumb local actions effect everybody statewide.



Congratulations. You've been nominated for the most ignorant and self-serving post of the day.

No wonder you changed your screen name from 'Brainman'.
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#1329229 - 03/02/12 10:45 AM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
rj1
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Registered: 02/18/12
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: rj1
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Statewide referendum. The ultimate cheapshot attempt to usurp municipal protection over their lands and water.



You're against it because you know you would lose.


Wrong.

I'm against your suggestion of a statewide referendum, nothing more a lever to override local laws and ordinances designed to to protect our environment.
There should be no local laws on enviromental concerns. That's the job of the DEC not some uninformed local yocals who have no clue what they are talking about and only rely on hysteria pumped up by a bunch of wacko websites and people trying to be somebody and who are on a power grab. As far as a referendum it should be statewide because all these dumb local actions effect everybody statewide.



Congratulations. You've been nominated for the most ignorant and self-serving post of the day.

No wonder you changed your screen name from 'Brainman'.
I think you've got me beat reading some of yours.


Edited by rj1 (03/02/12 10:46 AM)

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#1329230 - 03/02/12 10:48 AM Re: fracking news [Re: Ayuveda]
MeRightYouWrong
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Registered: 06/29/11
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Maybe he'd enjoy fracking done in his own back yard because somebody in Albany or DC decided such. He should also enjoy everything else somebody in Albany or DC decides to do in his community, without giving him any avenue of input or dispute. Afterall, his sacrifices and and demises effect(sic) the entire state/country.
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#1329245 - 03/02/12 11:27 AM Re: fracking news [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
sc4ram
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Setting aside the fact there is no documented case of hydrofracking contaminating ground water, and that there is such a thing as property rights (including mineral rights to your land), why isnt the anti-fracking crowd all worked up about real pollution such as that which is documented in the article below..


http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=16&id=23454

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#1329257 - 03/02/12 12:10 PM Re: fracking news [Re: sc4ram]
rj1
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Originally Posted By: sc4ram
Setting aside the fact there is no documented case of hydrofracking contaminating ground water, and that there is such a thing as property rights (including mineral rights to your land), why isnt the anti-fracking crowd all worked up about real pollution such as that which is documented in the article below..


http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=16&id=23454
The only vision they have is tunnel vision!

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#1329259 - 03/02/12 12:14 PM Re: fracking news [Re: sc4ram]
MeRightYouWrong
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As a matter of fact, that and other issues do concern me. You wouldn't know unless I elaborated on the forum so I won't hold it against you. If you are interested in all the things that concern me, let's grab some beers, meet up somewhere, and hang out for a while.
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#1331760 - 03/12/12 02:42 PM Re: fracking news [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
sc4ram
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Thanks- My point here is virtually no enterprise, (ie driving a car, flying a airplane, building a skyscraper) is without risk. I was pointing out we live in a dirty world, (thats progress) the spotlight has been put on hydrofracking (as if every other thing we do or option we have to be less energy dependent is squeaky clean). It is not. It is ironic that all of those people in Rochester last fall protesting hydrofracking in their yellow snow suits act like they live in a sterile world. Im pointing out that is naive.
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