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#1298406 --- 09/17/11 02:32 PM Occupy Wall Street
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On July 13, Adbusters posted on its website, "On September 17, we want to see 20,000 people flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months."

Their plan? To reclaim public space and speak out against corporate control of government.

Inspired by the "shift in revolutionary tactics" promulgated by this year's protest movements in Egypt and, more recently, in Spain, Adbusters and several affinity groups have organized an occupation in the heart of the financial world. Or in the heart of America's "financial Gomorrah," as the organizers like to call it.

The planned occupation has emerged as a leaderless movement, fueled by public anger at the financial world's impunity and its unprecedented levels of influence in government.

When the New York affiliate for CBS asked citizen volunteer Bill Csapo if he was an official spokesperson for the online group Occupy Wall Street, he answered with a laugh: "Not any more than any of us are."

Popular movements for social change this year in Cairo and Madrid followed similar organizational strategies, in which protestors congregated in central, public spaces (see video of Tahrir Square and Puerto del Sol, respectively) and set up tent cities. Demonstrating a potent brand of grass-roots democracy, protestors in these liberated zones formed citizen"s committees that undertook varying responsibilities such as cleaning and cooking, resolution drafting and watch duty.

Following Adbusters' July announcement for a similar movement in Manhattan, notable groups and individuals have jumped on board. Hactivist group Anonymous has announced its support, and musician Lupe Fiasco has extended his hand to the cause, offering to donate fifty tents.

Sister occupations have been set for San Francisco, London, Madrid, Sydney, Milan, and Stuttgart, signifying that social activists the world over are taken with the idea.

The activists behind Occupy Wall Street hope to emulate the success of Tahrir Square, which was an integral force in the dethroning of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak last February. In Cairo's case, the occupied square became the most compelling symbol of the country's spontaneous rebellion against its autocratic leader.

By endowing Wall Street with a similar, populist significance, American activists may succeed in producing a symbolic rallying point to push their agenda for finance and government reform, especially as the nation has recently seen the first ravages of the Citizens United ruling and the appalling leniency granted to speculators and profit hounds responsible for the financial crisis.

However, there are significant differences between the situation that Egypt faced at the onset of its occupation of Tahrir Square and where the United States is now. Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was an aggressive tyrant. The Egyptian people thus had an enemy against whom a diverse array of individuals with different political, social, and religious affiliations could organize.

The U.S. activists behind Occupy Wall Street inhabit an altogether different environment. The financial world lacks the identifiable characteristics of a single dictator, and it operates more as an abstraction compared to Mubarak's concrete and oppressive security apparatus.

Additionally, the movement's cri de guerre is far from codified. Its demands are all variations of politico-corporate reform, yet they still vary, ranging from the modest goal of a implementing a Federally appointed oversight committee to the more radical call for a one dollar, one citizen, one vote system in which only citizens could make campaign donations exceeding no more than $1.

Nevertheless, perhaps the absence of a single, unifying message (or a ubiquitous tyrant to rally against) will bare little on the Wall Street occupation's outcome. For example, Spain's activists (called Indignados, or "the indignant") did not arise from a single issue or cataclysmic event, but rather from the general disarray of their nation’s economic and political institutions. It was a popular spirit of change—propelled by the creative and moral bankruptcy of an ineffective system—that brought them out into the streets.

And while the Indignados have yet to secure much attention from the ruling elite other than baton-wielding riot police, their collective energy may still generate powerful social change. As Pablo Ouziel at Truthout reports, people's assemblies organized by activists in Madrid's tent cities have worked collectively on a number of issues: Interceding for families in risk of eviction from their repossessed homes, attempting to halt the closure of public hospitals threatened by austerity measures, and protecting immigrants in poor districts from police violence.

So, if Occupy Wall Street's demands for an overhaul of campaign financing and state corporatism fail, its participants should take cues from their Spanish peers. Once a public space is liberated, activists within it can spawn new and experimental modes of communal organization. The space liberated in lower Manhattan on September 17 may be perfect for doing precisely that.
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#1298412 --- 09/17/11 03:22 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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Good luck to them & God speed.

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#1298451 --- 09/17/11 08:51 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: ProAct]
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Police Set Barricades as ‘Days of Rage’ Protesters Target Wall Street (With Some Live Video) You can watch it live here. I'm glad it's just a fizzle, so far.
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#1298454 --- 09/17/11 09:01 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: WilllOWisp]
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Originally Posted By: WilllOWisp
Police Set Barricades as ‘Days of Rage’ Protesters Target Wall Street (With Some Live Video) You can watch it live here. I'm glad it's just a fizzle, so far.


Occupy Wall Street streaming.
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
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#1298455 --- 09/17/11 09:09 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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I hope it doesn't rain!
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#1298483 --- 09/18/11 12:56 AM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Que]
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I hope it doesn't rain!
has the revolution started?
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#1298508 --- 09/18/11 02:49 AM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Que]
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Originally Posted By: Que
I hope it doesn't rain!
has the revolution started?




'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised'
- Gil Scot-Heron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlGy8&feature=related

Watch here.
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
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#1298576 --- 09/18/11 02:22 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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I do find it strange that this has not been in print or televised media. Pretty telling, isn't it.
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#1298577 --- 09/18/11 02:29 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
I do find it strange that this has not been in print or televised media. Pretty telling, isn't it.


It's not strange. It's the norm.

What is also the norm is sending in undercover agents to try to get the protestors to do something violent. Once that happens the police force, maybe even the National Guard, will have license to use violence on the crowd. That's when the mainstream media will finally broadcast the event, but in a way that makes the protestors look like radicals that deserved the excessive force levied on them.

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#1298578 --- 09/18/11 02:38 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: MeRightYouWrong]
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Or maybe someone down there might smoke. Yikes! Isn't that illegal in NYC now? They could use that to get rid of them. They were already prohibited from being on Wall Street. They were moved 300 yard away. I think it's great, but if I had to guess who's going to win this one, I'd put my money on the moneyed.
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#1298774 --- 09/19/11 03:58 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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Sparse 'Day of Rage'

By MAURA O'CONNOR

September 18, 2011



Only about 300 protesters, mostly college kids and aging hippies, showed up near the Stock Exchange for yesterday's anti-Wall Street rally -- far fewer than the 20,000 that organizers of the so-called global "Day of Rage" had predicted.

Police barricades were put up to protect both the exchange and the iconic "Charging Bull" statue on Broadway. The barriers hardly needed.

Police said two members of the anemic crowd -- which carried signs declaring "Wall Street is our Street" -- were arrested after they tried to enter a Bank of America office at Broadway and Liberty streets wearing masks.
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Its been cold and rainy in New York for the past few days....oh wait no it hasn't. Must be they were hanging at the Farmers Markets trying to boot the economy.

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#1298780 --- 09/19/11 04:53 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: DeadDave]
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#1298783 --- 09/19/11 04:59 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
5,000 my left foot!They were luck to have the 300 nutters there at one time.
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#1298784 --- 09/19/11 05:09 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Que]
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#1298788 --- 09/19/11 05:28 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your looking pathetic.
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#1298789 --- 09/19/11 05:37 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Que]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your looking pathetic.



Then you disagree with the international call to action against the corporatist and banksters?
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#1298796 --- 09/19/11 06:07 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Que
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your looking pathetic.



Then you disagree with the international call to action against the corporatist and banksters?


Yes, because you are just fighting against yourself. Who do you think has investments on wall street?

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#1298802 --- 09/19/11 06:26 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: cwjga]
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Parasites. Those who control the economic and political structure of a system that cannot be reformed.
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#1298805 --- 09/19/11 06:34 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Ayuveda]
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Originally Posted By: Que
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your looking pathetic.



Then you disagree with the international call to action against the corporatist and banksters?
I disagree with the international call for action from a group of little rich kids who are pissed at their mommies and daddies. I disagree with you and your ideas of taking from me to give to someone who is to lazy or stoned to go to work!
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#1298808 --- 09/19/11 06:44 PM Re: Occupy Wall Street [Re: Que]
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Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Originally Posted By: Que
Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Your looking pathetic.



Then you disagree with the international call to action against the corporatist and banksters?
I disagree with the international call for action from a group of little rich kids who are pissed at their mommies and daddies. I disagree with you and your ideas of taking from me to give to someone who is to lazy or stoned to go to work!



Would you care to know what the call is for before disagreeing?


A Modest Call to Action on this September 17th

Published 2011-09-18

This statement is ours, and for anyone who will get behind it. Representing ourselves, we bring this call for revolution.

We want freedom for all, without regards for identity, because we are all people, and because no other reason should be needed. However, this freedom has been largely taken from the people, and slowly made to trickle down, whenever we get angry.

Money, it has been said, has taken over politics. In truth, we say, money has always been part of the capitalist political system. A system based on the existence of have and have nots, where inequality is inherent to the system, will inevitably lead to a situation where the haves find a way to rule, whether by the sword or by the dollar.

We agree that we need to see election reform. However, the election reform proposed ignores the causes which allowed such a system to happen. Some will readily blame the federal reserve, but the political system has been beholden to political machinations of the wealthy well before its founding.

We need to address the core facts: these corporations, even if they were unable to compete in the electoral arena, would still remain control of society. They would retain economic control, which would allow them to retain political control. Term limits would, again, not solve this, as many in the political class already leave politics to find themselves as part of the corporate elites.

We need to retake the freedom that has been stolen from the people, altogether.

If you agree that freedom is the right to communicate, to live, to be, to go, to love, to do what you will without the impositions of others, then you might be one of us.

If you agree that a person is entitled to the sweat of their brows, that being talented at management should not entitle others to act like overseers and overlords, that all workers should have the right to engage in decisions, democratically, then you might be one of us.

If you agree that freedom for some is not the same as freedom for all, and that freedom for all is the only true freedom, then you might be one of us.

If you agree that power is not right, that life trumps property, then you might be one of us.

If you agree that state and corporation are merely two sides of the same oppressive power structure, if you realize how media distorts things to preserve it, how it pits the people against the people to remain in power, then you might be one of us.

And so we call on people to act

We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.

We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.

We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.

We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.

We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.

We call for a revolution of the mind as well as the body politic.
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