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#1292898 - 08/17/11 02:50 PM
Re: 10 Things That Should Not Be Fried
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VM Smith
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For most, it IS a choice, but there are exceptions. FI, steroids can cause it; I believe you've said you're on them.
I am fat because I CHOOSE to be.... Some people eat to LIVE.... I on the other hand LIVE to EAT!
I live to eat, too, but I've changed what I eat. Like you, I never worried about HBP, since for many years I was low normal. At 57 I discovered I had hypertension. Systolic was 204 on one 4 reading average I did. Probably didn't have it that long though, because after starting treatment, my enlarged heart returned to normal size. I've read that if it has stayed enlarged for very long, the remodeling is permanent.
I got lucky; a couple of spontaneous nose bleeds and pulmonary edema after lying down for even 20 min., to the point where I couldn't catch a breath, and had to stand up and gasp until it passed, alerted me, and I sought treatment immediately.
I've changed my diet and added supplements, and am off the HCT and Amlodipine, and 20 mg Lisinopril is keeping the isolated systolic between 100 and 130; usually mid teens. Never really had a problem with diastolic; at 170 sys, the dia would be 90-100. It's in the 60s now.
My point is that isolated systolic usually indicates peripheral vascular damage, and I'll probably always have that. I'm doing what I can, including vitamin K2 (see the Maastricht U. study; it's online), but I wish I'd worried more about what I ate all my life, and you should, too. I'm chasing the horse as best I can, but he left the barn before I got wise, so I'm left with playing catch up, when prevention makes more sense and is more effective.
Diabetes is another thing that usually takes years of improper diet to develop; in America it's epidemic. I don't have it, and am doing everything I can not to get it. The most effective thing there is to watch the sugarS intake; it's in so many products, in various forms, that you have to read labels, but that gets easier as you learn what to avoid.
I try to diminish the uncontrolled, or not obvious and thought of, sources, and also eliminate entirely things like candy and soda, and eat a moderate/low amount of known sugar.
I knew that most people are deficient in magnesium, due largely to depleted soils. Also water in many locals is low in it, and where it is in the water, it's often precipitated along with calcium when they soften it.
So here's a twofer, for sugar and mag: a tbspn of blackstrap molasses has 8% rda mag. Blackstrap has higher minerals and less sugar than the lighter colored, milder stuff.
I make a daily eggnog with raw milk and 2 eggs, vanilla, nutmeg, cinnamon, and a little blackstrap. I was surprised; the molasses flavor melds really well; it's a natural. Previously, I'd been making the 'nog unsweetened. That was good; this is way better.
Potassium is also important for BP control, and although it's in lots of fruits and vegs, it's surprisingly hard to reach rda, which was raised form 3100 to 4700 mgs, a few yrs ago. FI, a banana or orange has abt 4-500 mgs. One reason I'm so glad to be off the diuretic is is that they flush out electrolytes. OTC K supps have no more than 99 mg. When I was 1st treated for HBP, mine was low, so I got a prescription. Most people are low.
The reason for the 99 regulation is that high K can kill ya. LOL, stupid nanny state meddlers; most anyone that doesn't know the dangers of high K is probably too ignorant to bother worrying about K status, and taking supplements. If you ate 2 bananas and 2 oranges every day, you'd still have to take about 29 OTC pills a day to get too high! What person who doesn't know/care about nutrition is going to do that? Or even use a salt substitute, which has abt 390 mg/ 1/4 tsp?
AlsoSalt is the best brand there; it's coated with lysine, which really cuts the metallic taste. Nothing tastes quite like salt, but that's pretty close.
End of rant. Until my next post, LOL.
Well, I'll add that I no longer use AS, except as an occasional K supplement, and that after 25 yrs of not using a salt shaker, which as far as I can see did me no good, I'm salting my food again. I've come to believe that in most people the problem is really low K, which causes a potassium/sodium imbalance.
Excellent short article:
http://www.naturalnews.com/024539_potassium_sodium_diet.html
Learned something new: high sugar intake lowers potassium absorption.
Edited by VM Smith (08/17/11 03:12 PM)
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#1293039 - 08/18/11 06:55 AM
Re: 10 Things That Should Not Be Fried
[Re: Jazzmine]
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s2hphoto.com
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Sometimes it is a fight to be diagnosed with a thyroid issue. Many Dr's only test for the TSH level. While this is an important part, if a patient has the antibodies they could also have symptoms of thryoid issues even if their readings are considered in the normal range.
Bottom line you are going to the WRONG Dr. then. NO ONE will fight for you but yourself. If you Doctor is NOT listening to you or addressing your needs you need to find one that will, and that may require to Rochester (Strong) or Syracuse (Upstate) to get your needs met. You have to understand some practices have up to 2000 patients and with there only being 24 hours in a day it is absolutely impossible to keep track of every single patient... even if you had bloodwork because they probably sent 100+ other patients for bloodwork that week too. Your best bet would be to find a Dr. who specializes in thyroid disorders. You have to remember primary care physicians are GENERAL practitioners and DO NOT specialize in any one condition.
Also you are speaking to someone who spent 6 years and 100's of tests before getting diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. It was a frustrating and scary time. I was watching certain capacities slowly slip away like bladder funtions, tripping while walking, hand control and dropping things(which was a HUGE threat to my chosen profession), severe muscle stiffness, etc. etc. etc. I refused to hear "I don't know" or "it's just you".... I continued to fight for myself till I got some resolve.
I am extremely fortunate. My Dr. is great and listens to me 100% If I have a problem she initially tries to solve it. After a follow up in 6 weeks, if it is not resolved, she is not "too proud" to refer me to a specialist who can better treat the problem.
On a side note I do agree that it may take a while for them to "fine tune" your medication to get you where you need to be, However if you go to an Endocrinologist who specializes in thyroid disorders they may have 100's of other patients with just as complex problem as yours and know how to treat it better. Like Maryia Gendelewski out of St. Joseph's in Syracuse. She is abrupt and her "bedside manor" stinks but she is TOP NOTCH, and quite possibly fine tune more quickly than your Primary Care that may have only a handful of patients with problems as complex as yours.
The Thyroid is very tricky and it is amazing how a little gland can wreak havoc on your entire body.
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#1293057 - 08/18/11 09:58 AM
Re: 10 Things That Should Not Be Fried
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Jazzmine
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Registered: 05/28/01
Posts: 1839
Loc: Waterloo, NY
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Scottie you are right there are people that don't advocate for their own health care. I understand that completely.
I am not one of those people but they do exist. I also know there are people that stay with the same Dr almost their entire lives and trust them completely no matter what they say or what answers they give. Then 30 years later find out that they have a problem they didn't know about and it was possibly there all along.
But my point was, just as with your MS, it's not always as simple as just having a blood test. And it's not as simple as choosing to be fat or choosing to be skinny.
I wasn't referring to my own personal struggle with health issues above. I was talking in general because it happens so often to so many people. You mentioned how long it took you to finally be diagnosed and I understand with MS that is typical because they rule out just about everything else before they give the diagnosis. Some people show the lesions and things that they test for with ct scan, mri, and lumbar puncture etc and some people don't.
It's the same for the thyroid and ideas and treatments for it are changing. It's difficult for some people to find a Dr that will treat for thyroid even when the blood test shows no sign of a problem because in the past if it wasn't showing up on the test, there wasn't really a problem.
But mainly again my point is that it's not cut and dry for many. It's not simply getting a blood test and it's over and you can be treated. It is a fight and it's a fight to find a Dr that will listen and like I said there are some people that give up and don't advocate. While that may be their own fault etc. there are people going through the fight that have to live with the symptoms until they do find that Dr that listens and looks at the whole of the symptoms going on in a patient.
They say pictures speak 1000 words. But pictures never tell the entire story. For all we know the woman in the photo above had just lost 100 pounds and used to be much heavier? Maybe she would choose to eat fried butter, and maybe she wouldn't. We don't know. We are assuming things from that photo and I think that is a sad part of our society. But I also understand it's part of humant nature to do so. I do understand that there are people that don't care about their health or their body images and some of those people are obese and some of them are not.
VM I am curious as to if your dog has to be on medications or how this is treated in animals. Do you have to have some sort of special diet for your dog? Does the iodine have the same effect for animals as well? What are your thoughts on 150 mcg of sea kelp daily?
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#1293058 - 08/18/11 10:03 AM
Re: 10 Things That Should Not Be Fried
[Re: Jazzmine]
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Jazzmine
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Registered: 05/28/01
Posts: 1839
Loc: Waterloo, NY
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On another note and more back to topic, when we lived in TX there was a little restaurant down the street from my work office. The entire office would pitch in on Fridays and order a couple orders of fried pickles with ranch dipping sauce. Everyone loved them and ate them all up! I had never had them prior to that and thought they were awesome until one day they forgot to stick in the ranch sauce with our order, and no one was really eating the pickles like they had before. I said guys, I think we just like the ranch sauce!
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#1293431 - 08/20/11 04:15 AM
Re: 10 Things That Should Not Be Fried
[Re: Jazzmine]
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VM Smith
Diamond Member
Registered: 11/28/05
Posts: 34619
Loc: Reality
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VM I am curious as to if your dog has to be on medications or how this is treated in animals. Do you have to have some sort of special diet for your dog? Does the iodine have the same effect for animals as well? What are your thoughts on 150 mcg of sea kelp daily?
He is prescribed .8 mg thyroxine 2x/day, but no special diet. My other dog (he was nine, and 3 yrs younger) died in June of immune-mediated hemolytic anemia, and ever since I have been really questioning the whole commercial dog food thing.
I've been wondering about the iodine/dog thing, and trying to find a good answer to the question you ask. It's included in dog food, and is essential, is all I'm certain of.
I've often wondered if the commercial kibble had too little I in it. I've also learned that soy is goiterogenic, and try to completely avoid it foe dog, and for me.
Bob got a little heavy, and is on a diet. That's easier to do with only one dog. I don't any longer give him food with wheat, wheat gluten, or soy, and only 1-2 cups kibble/day. He gets 7.5 oz of canned mackerel or salmon a day, plus two whole raw eggs, with the shells crushed finely and sprinkled on. Also a dog vitamin and a 1.5 gram fish oil capsule. Also some vegetables, fruit, bites of meat, cheese, a little yogurt, licks out frying pans and broilers, etc. I heat-sterilize them 
His perfect weight would be about 81 lbs, although when I brought him to the vet's 6 years ago and ordered a thyroid test, he was 110. I've taken about 7-8 lbs off him in 6 wks, and guess he's about 92. I can feel his rear ribs again, but his shoulders are still fat.He's moving better, and will clear the ground when he goes for the tennis ball, which he hadn't done for a while.
His right hip had been bothering him, but with the weight loss and 37.5 mg rimadyl/day (suggested is 2 mg/lb of weight), he's better. It's an anti-inflammatory as well as a pain killer, and getting him off wheat and soy may help inflammation too.
So, he's getting less than half the package recommended amount of kibble, and so half the iodine, although fish is rich in it. I've been putting a drop of Humco brand strong iodine (Amazon has it) in his 2 gal water bucket, although I change it every day or 2, so he doesn't get all of it.
I think kelp is a good idea. I read good things about it. The Japanese eat a lot of seaweeds, and so average 13 mg I/day, with some individuals and areas getting considerably more. US rda is 150 mcg...FAR less, and I think way insufficient.
I'm leery of putting the dog on the amount I take. They're mammals, and I is essential in them, but they're different, and I'm much more confidant of being able to notice symptoms of excess in myself, and backing off, than I am in being able to spot them in him.
I've been taking the 3 drops of 7%I/5%KI for about year, and feel great. The usual drugstore I is 2%.
Bit I think it would be hard to give them too much in food.
Again, I think the rda for humans is far too low, but the following tells how hard it is to get too much from foods, and gives a few sources:
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=69#deficiencysymptoms
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