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#1294140 --- 08/23/11 05:25 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
Harleybob5 Offline
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Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie

I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .

Etrion completes Nettuno Solar Park In Italy




Tuesday, 23 August 2011 06:21
Etrion Corp., an independent solar power producer, has said that the Nettuno solar park in Lazio, Italy, has reached completion.

The Nettuno park has a total capacity of 2.6 MW and is expected to produce more than 3.5 GWh of electricity annually, according to Etrion's calculations. The plant is also expected to generate approximately 1 million euros of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization annually. It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.

A syndicate of banks, including Natixis, WestLB and Mediocreval, provided more than 84% of the financing for the project with an 18-year nonrecourse loan.
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I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .
I asked you the cost and you attack ..what's up with that?


sorry If I assumed it was a attack , I had already been jumped on a few times by braindead . I must have jumped to conculsions .
Right you jumped conclusions! Why are you calling brainman... braindead? Why do you tell lies about yourself, are you embarrassed with your station in life?
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#1294141 --- 08/23/11 05:42 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
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If that installation makes sense, why do the rulers have to force people to subsidize it at over 3 times the market price per kw? That implies that to make it pay its own way, they'd have to charge 4 times the market price. If they did that, it wouldn't be built, because no one (except someone spending someone else's money) would be crazy enough to pay that much for power. Why not just use a cheaper source of power, so they don't have to seize the difference from citizens?

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It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.


I just don't get this enviro-socialism, unless the goal is to redistribute people's money to a powerful, well connected group of investors running an enviro-hustle, while at the same time making those actually being fleeced feel greenly virtuous, and that they are "making a difference". Nah...couldn't be...people aren't that greedy, or that stupid...
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#1294143 --- 08/23/11 06:04 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
pixie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie

I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .

Etrion completes Nettuno Solar Park In Italy




Tuesday, 23 August 2011 06:21
Etrion Corp., an independent solar power producer, has said that the Nettuno solar park in Lazio, Italy, has reached completion.

The Nettuno park has a total capacity of 2.6 MW and is expected to produce more than 3.5 GWh of electricity annually, according to Etrion's calculations. The plant is also expected to generate approximately 1 million euros of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization annually. It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.

A syndicate of banks, including Natixis, WestLB and Mediocreval, provided more than 84% of the financing for the project with an 18-year nonrecourse loan.
Quote:
I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .
I asked you the cost and you attack ..what's up with that?


sorry If I assumed it was a attack , I had already been jumped on a few times by braindead . I must have jumped to conculsions .
Right you jumped conclusions! Why are you calling brainman... braindead? Why do you tell lies about yourself, are you embarrassed with your station in life?


me embarressed not in the lease bit . when you and brain dead took what is normal and blew it out of all proportions its hardly some thing to run from ,


Edited by pixie (08/23/11 06:15 PM)
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#1294146 --- 08/23/11 06:14 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: VM Smith]
pixie Offline
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
If that installation makes sense, why do the rulers have to force people to subsidize it at over 3 times the market price per kw? That implies that to make it pay its own way, they'd have to charge 4 times the market price. If they did that, it wouldn't be built, because no one (except someone spending someone else's money) would be crazy enough to pay that much for power. Why not just use a cheaper source of power, so they don't have to seize the difference from citizens?

Quote:
It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.


I just don't get this enviro-socialism, unless the goal is to redistribute people's money to a powerful, well connected group of investors running an enviro-hustle, while at the same time making those actually being fleeced feel greenly virtuous, and that they are "making a difference". Nah...couldn't be...people aren't that greedy, or that stupid...


I found the going rate for electricty in that area in 2009 is 37.24 usa cents per kw so its not over priced maybe under priced. sorry could not find a 2011 price , 2009 was the best I could do .
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#1294171 --- 08/23/11 07:29 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/to-frack-or-not-to-frack/?hp

It was a big week in Andes, N.Y. Last Thursday, the New York Post devoted a full page to the small Catskill village, describing in some detail the Andes Hotel, the surrounding “rolling corn and hay fields,” the affordable housing, the Hunting Tavern Museum, the country store, the coffee shop, the tea shop, the farmer’s market, the art galleries and antique stores, the occasional celebrity resident, the extraordinary natural beauty — everything that led the Post, in an earlier article about great day-trip destinations, to dub Andes Woodstock-as-it-used-to-be.

And then, the very next evening, there was another event that provided an ironic counterpoint to that summer valentine. One hundred sixty Andeans, including the town supervisor, members of the town board and candidates running for a seat on the board, met in the school gym to hear a presentation on the geology of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking” (the process of extracting natural gas by blasting underground rock formations with a huge volume of chemical-laced water pumped down at very high levels of pressure) and to express their views about what fracking would mean if it came to the town.

The first thing to say is that 160 is an enormous number given that the town’s population is 1,600 and residents weren’t given much notice of the meeting. Were a corresponding percentage of New Yorkers to turn up at a public hearing, there would be no place large enough to hold the more than 800,000 attendees. The second thing to say is that many stayed for the entire three hours and 40 minutes, the length of a short Wagner opera.

The first hour and a quarter was taken up by a sober, pretty much even-handed, explanation of the hydraulics of fracking, the locations in New York of the most promising sites for drilling, the effects on the landscape, the dangers of leakage, explosions, contamination and discharge of radiation, the available methods for containing or mitigating these dangers and the effectiveness (not yet very great) of those methods. As a life-long academic, I was amazed at the sustained and respectful attention of the audience members, many of whom (it turned out) already knew most of what they were being told. It is a rule in my profession that if you talk longer than 50 minutes you will lose your audience. On this occasion, the patience displayed was extraordinary and it extended into the question and answer period, which lasted another 75 minutes.

Then came the evening’s centerpiece, three-minute prepared statements delivered by townspeople who had signed up in advance. It is often said that the opponents of fracking are mostly second-home-owners and weekenders who selfishly prefer their enjoyment of a bucolic landscape to the needs of the long-termers who came before them. But the speakers who stood up to have their say represented every sector of the population — farmers, small-business owners, real estate agents, six-generation natives, newcomers, artists, musicians.

As different as they were, the message was the same and it was eloquently proclaimed: “What we have here is unique and beautiful.” “We have to take action to keep the town we love.” “We must take our destiny into our own hands.” “Andes could become the model for the country.” One of the speakers was a local and a folksinger. She made up a song on the spot and taught it to everyone. The refrain was “If we work together / Then we can make it better.”

Interspersed with the expressions of love, hope and resolution were substantive points of anxiety. No one knows how much contaminated water will escape and where it will go. Even if we stop it here other towns might surrender and we could see a truck kicking up dust and leaking sand every 60 seconds, seven days a week. The noise level will make conversation impossible; no more sitting on the porch of the hotel or the coffee shop. Property values will plummet by 50 to 75 percent (this from a long-time Realtor). Banks are reluctant to write mortgages on property that is being drilled on. There might be limited short-term benefits to a few, but the boom will be followed by a bust, and when it is all over “people won’t want to live here anymore.”

There was agreement that regulation wasn’t the answer, first because no regulation could prevent the disasters that come along inevitably with a project this large, and second because the state couldn’t be counted on either to pass or enforce regulations: “I can’t trust an industry that has got itself exempted from the air and clean water act.” The position that emerged at the end of the evening was simple and unequivocal: “You can’t regulate them but you can ban them if you are sophisticated enough legally and if you remain strong and stay the course.” Every statement was greeted with loud applause. One speaker called for a straw poll. “Anyone in favor of fracking?” Not a hand was raised.

“Inspiring” is not a word I usually use, but this evening was inspiring. The devotion to community, the civic-mindedness, the sheer intelligence displayed by everyone who spoke was a more powerful argument for coming to Andes than the beauties and attractions listed by the Post. But the argument will come to nothing, and everything the Post celebrates will be no more, if the rural birthright of Andes is sold for a mess of fracking.
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#1294173 --- 08/23/11 07:39 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
Harleybob5 Offline
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I can't wait until they start fracking in Andes, N.Y.!
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#1294184 --- 08/23/11 08:49 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
brainman Offline
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Registered: 06/04/11
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Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie

I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .

Etrion completes Nettuno Solar Park In Italy




Tuesday, 23 August 2011 06:21
Etrion Corp., an independent solar power producer, has said that the Nettuno solar park in Lazio, Italy, has reached completion.

The Nettuno park has a total capacity of 2.6 MW and is expected to produce more than 3.5 GWh of electricity annually, according to Etrion's calculations. The plant is also expected to generate approximately 1 million euros of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization annually. It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.

A syndicate of banks, including Natixis, WestLB and Mediocreval, provided more than 84% of the financing for the project with an 18-year nonrecourse loan.
Quote:
I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .
I asked you the cost and you attack ..what's up with that?


sorry If I assumed it was a attack , I had already been jumped on a few times by braindead . I must have jumped to conculsions .
Right you jumped conclusions! Why are you calling brainman... braindead? Why do you tell lies about yourself, are you embarrassed with your station in life?



His problem is he's a arrogant know it all. When someone proves him wrong and points out his mistakes he takes it personally and starts calling people names and putting them down. He's kinda like a spoiled little kid with to many toys and when you start taking them away he cries and whines.
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#1294186 --- 08/23/11 08:50 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
pixie Offline
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Registered: 05/24/07
Posts: 1912
Loc: Romulus
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie

I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .

Etrion completes Nettuno Solar Park In Italy




Tuesday, 23 August 2011 06:21
Etrion Corp., an independent solar power producer, has said that the Nettuno solar park in Lazio, Italy, has reached completion.

The Nettuno park has a total capacity of 2.6 MW and is expected to produce more than 3.5 GWh of electricity annually, according to Etrion's calculations. The plant is also expected to generate approximately 1 million euros of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization annually. It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.

A syndicate of banks, including Natixis, WestLB and Mediocreval, provided more than 84% of the financing for the project with an 18-year nonrecourse loan.
Quote:
I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .
I asked you the cost and you attack ..what's up with that?


sorry If I assumed it was a attack , I had already been jumped on a few times by braindead . I must have jumped to conculsions .
Right you jumped conclusions! Why are you calling brainman... braindead? Why do you tell lies about yourself, are you embarrassed with your station in life?


no different then you calling me pixie girl .
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#1294191 --- 08/23/11 08:58 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
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Originally Posted By: pixie
braindead said that vertical and horizontal wells were the same and the well pad was the same , which of cource they are not. He denied over and over he said it and even when shown what he wrote rather then admit it he started with the insults again. you asked . just razing him .


I said it right you're just to stupid to understand it. Vertical wells and horizontal wells are the same at the start. Horizontal wells just go horizontal when they get down a few thousand feet. The well pads are the same set up just bigger on the horizontal because you have 4 or five wells operating from the same pad. Maybe the disabled scientist might be able
to understand now.


Edited by brainman (08/23/11 08:59 PM)
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#1294194 --- 08/23/11 09:04 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
brainman Offline
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/to-frack-or-not-to-frack/?hp

It was a big week in Andes, N.Y. Last Thursday, the New York Post devoted a full page to the small Catskill village, describing in some detail the Andes Hotel, the surrounding “rolling corn and hay fields,” the affordable housing, the Hunting Tavern Museum, the country store, the coffee shop, the tea shop, the farmer’s market, the art galleries and antique stores, the occasional celebrity resident, the extraordinary natural beauty — everything that led the Post, in an earlier article about great day-trip destinations, to dub Andes Woodstock-as-it-used-to-be.

And then, the very next evening, there was another event that provided an ironic counterpoint to that summer valentine. One hundred sixty Andeans, including the town supervisor, members of the town board and candidates running for a seat on the board, met in the school gym to hear a presentation on the geology of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking” (the process of extracting natural gas by blasting underground rock formations with a huge volume of chemical-laced water pumped down at very high levels of pressure) and to express their views about what fracking would mean if it came to the town.

The first thing to say is that 160 is an enormous number given that the town’s population is 1,600 and residents weren’t given much notice of the meeting. Were a corresponding percentage of New Yorkers to turn up at a public hearing, there would be no place large enough to hold the more than 800,000 attendees. The second thing to say is that many stayed for the entire three hours and 40 minutes, the length of a short Wagner opera.

The first hour and a quarter was taken up by a sober, pretty much even-handed, explanation of the hydraulics of fracking, the locations in New York of the most promising sites for drilling, the effects on the landscape, the dangers of leakage, explosions, contamination and discharge of radiation, the available methods for containing or mitigating these dangers and the effectiveness (not yet very great) of those methods. As a life-long academic, I was amazed at the sustained and respectful attention of the audience members, many of whom (it turned out) already knew most of what they were being told. It is a rule in my profession that if you talk longer than 50 minutes you will lose your audience. On this occasion, the patience displayed was extraordinary and it extended into the question and answer period, which lasted another 75 minutes.

Then came the evening’s centerpiece, three-minute prepared statements delivered by townspeople who had signed up in advance. It is often said that the opponents of fracking are mostly second-home-owners and weekenders who selfishly prefer their enjoyment of a bucolic landscape to the needs of the long-termers who came before them. But the speakers who stood up to have their say represented every sector of the population — farmers, small-business owners, real estate agents, six-generation natives, newcomers, artists, musicians.

As different as they were, the message was the same and it was eloquently proclaimed: “What we have here is unique and beautiful.” “We have to take action to keep the town we love.” “We must take our destiny into our own hands.” “Andes could become the model for the country.” One of the speakers was a local and a folksinger. She made up a song on the spot and taught it to everyone. The refrain was “If we work together / Then we can make it better.”

Interspersed with the expressions of love, hope and resolution were substantive points of anxiety. No one knows how much contaminated water will escape and where it will go. Even if we stop it here other towns might surrender and we could see a truck kicking up dust and leaking sand every 60 seconds, seven days a week. The noise level will make conversation impossible; no more sitting on the porch of the hotel or the coffee shop. Property values will plummet by 50 to 75 percent (this from a long-time Realtor). Banks are reluctant to write mortgages on property that is being drilled on. There might be limited short-term benefits to a few, but the boom will be followed by a bust, and when it is all over “people won’t want to live here anymore.”

There was agreement that regulation wasn’t the answer, first because no regulation could prevent the disasters that come along inevitably with a project this large, and second because the state couldn’t be counted on either to pass or enforce regulations: “I can’t trust an industry that has got itself exempted from the air and clean water act.” The position that emerged at the end of the evening was simple and unequivocal: “You can’t regulate them but you can ban them if you are sophisticated enough legally and if you remain strong and stay the course.” Every statement was greeted with loud applause. One speaker called for a straw poll. “Anyone in favor of fracking?” Not a hand was raised.

“Inspiring” is not a word I usually use, but this evening was inspiring. The devotion to community, the civic-mindedness, the sheer intelligence displayed by everyone who spoke was a more powerful argument for coming to Andes than the beauties and attractions listed by the Post. But the argument will come to nothing, and everything the Post celebrates will be no more, if the rural birthright of Andes is sold for a mess of fracking.




Typical activist crap meeting. Everybody sits around and says a bunch of lies they learned from the activist sites that aren't anywhere near the truth.
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#1294262 --- 08/24/11 08:14 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
Harleybob5 Offline
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Originally Posted By: pixie


no different then you calling me pixie girl .
Everyone was reprimanded by the mod's for not being civil to each other! Now take one poster who cried in his soup because he thinks I'm uncivil. I can say, I don't take advantage of people nor do I scam people! And if taking advantage and scamming people is being civil, I guess I'll keep being myself, without being so caustic.
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#1294290 --- 08/24/11 11:23 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
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To the Editor:

Out of sight, out of mind ... cannot be further from the truth. As Concerned Citizens of Seneca County we are thoughtfully doing what needs to be done for our next generation.

We all know about Seneca Meadows buying up all the publicity by giving “to all” for the asking. Do you see any other large corporation doing what they do? Don’t we understand they are buying their way to be able to do whatever destruction they want in our Seneca County?

Do our county supervisors realize this? Do they ask how much foul odor and leachate is produced daily from this landfill?
Ontario County does — thousands of gallons daily. Let’s all remember they are in deep holes with liners for our next generation ... mountains of trash and garbage where their trucks look like Matchbox toys and are, needless to say, just a short walking distance from our town and village of Waterloo.

Seneca County supervisors, look out your windows from your county building and you see that so clearly. Aren’t you concerned at all? This is what you are leaving behind along with another mountain in between. When Seneca Meadows purchased land in our town of Waterloo across from our village we were never made aware of the purpose. The town board and Seneca Meadows knew, but we taxpayers were never told.

The purpose was a “Meadow View Clay Mine.” When the Community Benefits Agreement was signed in August 2005, the town board with Mr. Mooney as supervisor and Seneca Meadows Inc. were aware of the existing mining law established in 2000 requiring 1,000-foot setback, our current law Chapter 80. Now our town board wants to rescind this law. Yes, allowing Seneca Meadows Inc. to
do whatever it pleases. Don’t forget that the 45-foot deep mud hole, infestation and hazard situation on Burgess Road will, for 11 years, affect our school, Little League fields and our homes.

GEORGINE VITETTA ROSATA
Waterloo


Edited by kyle585 (08/24/11 11:28 AM)
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#1294298 --- 08/24/11 12:27 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
pixie Offline
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Registered: 05/24/07
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Loc: Romulus
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie


no different then you calling me pixie girl .
Everyone was reprimanded by the mod's for not being civil to each other! Now take one poster who cried in his soup because he thinks I'm uncivil. I can say, I don't take advantage of people nor do I scam people! And if taking advantage and scamming people is being civil, I guess I'll keep being myself, without being so caustic.



hey I tried to applogize but you threw that right back at me . My fight with braindead is because he spread lies that I was a tax evader when he had no proof other then to try and GET ME , I warned him and he continues , Im only trying to protect my self . if you want to be civil then ok lets start over, I will not be caustic to you if you are not caustic to me . Sounds like a fair offer to me.
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#1294302 --- 08/24/11 12:50 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
Harleybob5 Offline
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 726
Loc: Wallonia Freedom Fighter
Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie


no different then you calling me pixie girl .
Everyone was reprimanded by the mod's for not being civil to each other! Now take one poster who cried in his soup because he thinks I'm uncivil. I can say, I don't take advantage of people nor do I scam people! And if taking advantage and scamming people is being civil, I guess I'll keep being myself, without being so caustic.



hey I tried to applogize but you threw that right back at me . My fight with braindead is because he spread lies that I was a tax evader when he had no proof other then to try and GET ME , I warned him and he continues , Im only trying to protect my self . if you want to be civil then ok lets start over, I will not be caustic to you if you are not caustic to me . Sounds like a fair offer to me.
Don't apologize to me, it shows me that you're weak.
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#1294309 --- 08/24/11 01:31 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
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The whole earth is now crumbling from all the deep drilling.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44259858/ns/world_news-americas/#.TlVBIV0W67w

LIMA — A 6.8-magnitude earthquake shook buildings in Peru's capital city, Lima Wednesday, witnesses and the U.S. Geological Survey said.

The USGS said the epicenter of the quake was 51 miles north of Pucallpa, in the Peruvian Amazon forest close to the Brazilian border.

The USGS said the quake, initially upgraded to a magnitude 6.9, was 90.2 miles deep
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#1294316 --- 08/24/11 02:29 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
Harleybob5 Offline
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 726
Loc: Wallonia Freedom Fighter
Originally Posted By: kyle585
The whole earth is now crumbling from all the deep drilling.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44259858/ns/world_news-americas/#.TlVBIV0W67w

LIMA — A 6.8-magnitude earthquake shook buildings in Peru's capital city, Lima Wednesday, witnesses and the U.S. Geological Survey said.

The USGS said the epicenter of the quake was 51 miles north of Pucallpa, in the Peruvian Amazon forest close to the Brazilian border.

The USGS said the quake, initially upgraded to a magnitude 6.9, was 90.2 miles deep
Lay off the pipe pal, you sound like Al Gore.
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#1294399 --- 08/24/11 10:06 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybob5]
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Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: Harleybob5
Originally Posted By: pixie

I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .

Etrion completes Nettuno Solar Park In Italy




Tuesday, 23 August 2011 06:21
Etrion Corp., an independent solar power producer, has said that the Nettuno solar park in Lazio, Italy, has reached completion.

The Nettuno park has a total capacity of 2.6 MW and is expected to produce more than 3.5 GWh of electricity annually, according to Etrion's calculations. The plant is also expected to generate approximately 1 million euros of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization annually. It will receive a feed-in tariff of 0.25 euros/kWh, plus a market price of approximately 0.08 euros/kWh.

A syndicate of banks, including Natixis, WestLB and Mediocreval, provided more than 84% of the financing for the project with an 18-year nonrecourse loan.
Quote:
I made sure to add the cost just for redneckwoodchuck and braindead .
I asked you the cost and you attack ..what's up with that?


sorry If I assumed it was a attack , I had already been jumped on a few times by braindead . I must have jumped to conculsions .
Right you jumped conclusions! Why are you calling brainman... braindead? Why do you tell lies about yourself, are you embarrassed with your station in life?




Hey Harley Bob. I know where you can get some cheap solar panels and a thatch hut? The only problem is they will be floating out in the ocean.
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#1294529 --- 08/25/11 02:05 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
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I just picked up my FLT. One of the headlines on pg. 1 says the shale in this area contains 40 times more gas than previously thought.
I have yet to decide wether I do or do not agree with fracking in this area. I do have to wonder, however; if the "experts" were so far off on their estimates of recoverable gas, what is the possibility they could also be way off on their claims that fracking is relatively safe?

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#1294551 --- 08/25/11 03:41 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: wooden nickel]
pixie Offline
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Registered: 05/24/07
Posts: 1912
Loc: Romulus
Originally Posted By: wooden nickel
I just picked up my FLT. One of the headlines on pg. 1 says the shale in this area contains 40 times more gas than previously thought.
I have yet to decide wether I do or do not agree with fracking in this area. I do have to wonder, however; if the "experts" were so far off on their estimates of recoverable gas, what is the possibility they could also be way off on their claims that fracking is relatively safe?


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there now talking up to 240,000 wells in NY and 125,000 in PA wow thats a lot of water used up , 15 million gallons over three fracks including what is re used , is 3600 trillion gallons of fresh water lost down the hole in NY alone .
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#1294567 --- 08/25/11 06:13 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: pixie]
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Originally Posted By: pixie
Originally Posted By: wooden nickel
I just picked up my FLT. One of the headlines on pg. 1 says the shale in this area contains 40 times more gas than previously thought.
I have yet to decide wether I do or do not agree with fracking in this area. I do have to wonder, however; if the "experts" were so far off on their estimates of recoverable gas, what is the possibility they could also be way off on their claims that fracking is relatively safe?





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there now talking up to 240,000 wells in NY and 125,000 in PA wow thats a lot of water used up , 15 million gallons over three fracks including what is re used , is 3600 trillion gallons of fresh water lost down the hole in NY alone .



What a joke you are? You like using those big figures trying to alarm people and make yourself look impressive. Just using your figures which are stupid doesn't add up. If they are using 15 million gallons per well and are reusing and recycling 50% of that water how does that add up to 36 trillion gallons. Eventually that recycling figure will be 75% or more plus they have developed fracking fluid without your so called toxic chemicals. Your going to have to find a new topic to try and impress people with your lack of knowledge because this one is losing steam.


Edited by brainman (08/25/11 06:14 PM)
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