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#1280635 --- 06/15/11 11:07 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
mimi33 Offline
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The dangers of hydrofracking are well known, and to attempt to bring this into NY is disgusting. To continue to lie about the dangers of this industry is disgusting. To continue to lie to people in an attempt to pocket a few dollars is , disgusting. Just, how can you look at yourself in the mirror everyday and try to sell this crap to people? Really? I don't understand that part of it. You all know how dangerous this is and how it hurts people and yet you can wake up every morning, and put on your little tie or whatever, and then go and tell someone it's the best thing since sliced bread? Wow, remember that money isn't everything. Sometimes you have to have some self respect.

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#1280636 --- 06/15/11 11:16 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: looseleaf]
Victoria Rose Offline
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I think the puss pile on 414 is doing as much or more long term damage than we are told. The big money will win, as it has with the landfill. Once the wheels get rolling, any activist efforts are thwarted. As for voicing opposition to our legislators, look at thier track record. All talk, no reults.

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#1280637 --- 06/15/11 11:20 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Victoria Rose]
mimi33 Offline
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Loc: seneca falls, ny, usa
I think that short term thinking will prevail, as always. We live in the Finger Lakes, for goodness sakes. Do we really want to eff up our water? It's our most valuable resource!

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#1280638 --- 06/15/11 11:35 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: mimi33]
mimi33 Offline
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Go to the EPA Website. Their studies are from February 2011, and they are still asking a lot of questions. I think it's just a bad idea, and needs to be put to bed. No hydrofracking, period. Anywhere.

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#1280646 --- 06/16/11 05:12 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: mimi33]
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Its funny how people say it is tearing apart towns in PA. Someone wrote into the newest issue of NY Outdoor News saying he took a drive to PA area where the spill was. He noticed the streams where full of fisherman (it was trout Season), also the towns where busy and there where NO HIRING SIGN'S in windows of local business, and he stated the mood of everyone was happy.

How many of you anti-frackers drive a car like the Toyota Prius ? People that own these think they are doing the best thing for the environment, but in reality they are cause more damage to the earth then Fracking.These eco friendly cars use 44 pounds of rare earth. Have you every seen a rare earth mine, google a picture of it and you will be amazed.Also you will notice China owns 90 percent of the worlds rare earth.
Google Toyota Prius and rare earth.

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#1280647 --- 06/16/11 05:21 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: all seeing eye]
brainman Offline
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Registered: 06/04/11
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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
How is this???

Chesapeake handed record fine for Pennsylvania gas drillingBy Edward McAllister
NEW YORK | Tue May 17, 2011 3:44pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Pennsylvania regulators levied a record fine for contaminating drinking water against major natural gas producer Chesapeake Energy, a move that threatens to intensify a fierce debate over drilling for natural gas in the state.

The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection fined Chesapeake $900,000 for contaminating water supplies in Bradford County, a busy drilling area in the prolific Marcellus shale gas formation, the agency said on Tuesday. It was fined another $188,000 for a fire that injured three workers

The fine will again put a spotlight on hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, a controversial process used to extract natural gas from shale formations, which involves blasting a mix of water, chemicals and sand into the rock.
While public criticism has recently been focused on the possible contamination from fracking waste products, Tuesday's action stems from complaints that the gas itself had seeped into the drinking water.
The agency began an investigation in 2010 after receiving complaints from residents about drinking water near Chesapeake shale gas drilling sites. The agency concluded that coBOSntamination was caused by improper well casing and cementing, allowing seepage from non-shale shallow gas formations.
"The water well contamination fine is the largest single penalty DEP has ever assessed against an oil and gas operator," said Mike Krancer, secretary for the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP).
"Our message to drillers and to the public is clear."
Chesapeake Energy said in a statement that it will pay the fines and has improved its cementing and casing practices since the investigation.
The incidents occurred in the Marcellus shale gas formation, which is estimated to hold enough natural gas to meet U.S. demand for a decade or more. Attention is being drawn to the region by groups concerned about possible health risks from fracking, especially in relation to drinking water.
Neighboring New York state, home to a smaller stretch of the Marcellus shale formation, has halted permissions for shale drilling while it mulls the affect on drinking water.
Chesapeake suspended completion of natural gas wells in Pennsylvania for three weeks after a well blowout on April 19 sent thousands of gallons of drilling fluid spewing into the surrounding area and into local waterways.
Well completion is work to prepare a site for production after drilling has been completed and involves fracking.


Originally Posted By: brainman
Originally Posted By: A Better SF
Go to some of the Pennsylvania communities that have allowed hydrofracking, as I have. It has torn the communities apart.

At the very least we need more information and more resident input before this kind of mining is allowed in our community. The dump is bad enough - how much more pollution does our groundwater need...





You have evidence of groundwater contamination. Show us the evidence we would all like to see it. You can't and you know it. You're just running your mouth and can't back up anything you say with actual physical evidence. Typical activist crap. Use scare tactics to stall everything. In the meantime there are no jobs or money in NY. Ask the people in Pa. how much the drilling has boosted the economy. They will tell you it has had a substantial impact. Yes there have problems in some isolated areas but the good far outweighs the bad.



You people are saying there is no regulation and no enforcement. Which story you are trying to push is the accurate one?
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#1280648 --- 06/16/11 05:25 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: mimi33]
brainman Offline
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Registered: 06/04/11
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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: mimi33
Go to the EPA Website. Their studies are from February 2011, and they are still asking a lot of questions. I think it's just a bad idea, and needs to be put to bed. No hydrofracking, period. Anywhere.



You're a close minded thinker. SC has hundreds of gas wells already with no harm to the enviroment. There are millions nationwide. People like you are why NY is in the shape it is in. No jobs or money.
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#1280656 --- 06/16/11 06:46 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: all seeing eye]
looseleaf Offline
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Lemmings. Remember Alar? Apples were going to kill us. Nuclear power was going to crash and burn all the way to China and take us with it. Global warming? YY2K? Each of those panics were led by the same mobs who now want us to believe that meeting the nation's engery needs and creating jobs in a ravished ecomony (wrecked by their president) is going to ruin our environment. Loon groups always lead the way with this stuff...they take incidental information and call it science.

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#1280663 --- 06/16/11 07:25 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: SportsNut]
Greymane Offline
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Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 6848
Loc: Central PA
Originally Posted By: SportsNut
Its funny how people say it is tearing apart towns in PA. Someone wrote into the newest issue of NY Outdoor News saying he took a drive to PA area where the spill was. He noticed the streams where full of fisherman (it was trout Season), also the towns where busy and there where NO HIRING SIGN'S in windows of local business, and he stated the mood of everyone was happy.

How many of you anti-frackers drive a car like the Toyota Prius ? People that own these think they are doing the best thing for the environment, but in reality they are cause more damage to the earth then Fracking.These eco friendly cars use 44 pounds of rare earth. Have you every seen a rare earth mine, google a picture of it and you will be amazed.Also you will notice China owns 90 percent of the worlds rare earth.
Google Toyota Prius and rare earth.


Hey, Nuts, I would love to know exactly what planet this person was on. I am from PA and most of my family still lives there. NO HIRING signs? Busy towns? The reason everyone is fishing is because there ARE NO JOBS!
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#1280672 --- 06/16/11 08:00 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: all seeing eye]
kyle585 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/09
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Here's more food for thought:

Researchers Study Link To Earthquakes In Arkansas By SARAH EDDINGTON 04/20/11 11:41 PM ET

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Two natural gas exploration companies have agreed to extend the shutdowns of two injection wells in Arkansas as researchers study whether the operations are linked to more than 1,000 unexplained earthquakes in the region, a state commission said Wednesday.Chesapeake Energy Corp. and Clarita Operating LLC asked to postpone a scheduled April 26 hearing on the shutdowns until the Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission's next meeting on May 24, said Shane Khoury, deputy director and general counsel for the commission.
Wow. 1,000 earthquakes from drilling! Now who was the first guy to suggest that on here and get laughed at by some wise guy?
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#1280680 --- 06/16/11 08:48 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
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Registered: 05/21/10
Posts: 4061
Loc: Walloon Freedom Fighter
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Wow. 1,000 earthquakes from drilling! Now who was the first guy to suggest that on here and get laughed at by some wise guy?


Don't worry kyle everyone will still laugh at you.

We need to stop worrying about fracking and earthquakes! We need to focus all our energy on getting the Gay Marriage bill passed!
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#1280687 --- 06/16/11 09:17 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybobb]
looseleaf Offline
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Registered: 10/19/10
Posts: 85
Loc: Seneca Falls
If you lemmings want something to fear, look at these links and then think about the web of salt mines operating beneath the full breadth of Cayuga Lake and under Seneca Lake. Then think about a bathtub effect....a real giant sucking sound....

http://www.damninteresting.com/lake-peigneur-the-swirling-vortex-of-doom/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_feWtkSucvE

http://ny.water.usgs.gov/pubs/fs/fs01798/FS017-98.pdf

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#1280690 --- 06/16/11 09:51 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybobb]
kyle585 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Harleybobb
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Wow. 1,000 earthquakes from drilling! Now who was the first guy to suggest that on here and get laughed at by some wise guy?
Don't worry kyle everyone will still laugh at you.

We need to stop worrying about fracking and earthquakes! We need to focus all our energy on getting the Gay Marriage bill passed!
You are so worried about that Gay Marriage bill makes me think you have a male lover waiting for you?
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#1280695 --- 06/16/11 10:55 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
DeadDave Offline
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Registered: 01/01/11
Posts: 593
Loc: 6 feet under
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Harleybobb
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Wow. 1,000 earthquakes from drilling! Now who was the first guy to suggest that on here and get laughed at by some wise guy?
Don't worry kyle everyone will still laugh at you.

We need to stop worrying about fracking and earthquakes! We need to focus all our energy on getting the Gay Marriage bill passed!
You are so worried about that Gay Marriage bill makes me think you have a male lover waiting for you?
are u looking for a date?

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#1280696 --- 06/16/11 11:11 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
kyle585 Offline
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From Finger Lakes regarding BOS meeting:

Approved a motion urging the state to require a separate Environmental Impact Statement for each horizontally-drilled, hydraulic fractured natural gas well that may be drilled in the Finger Lakes.

In committee, it was noted that a request to the state to impose the same environmental protections for the Finger Lakes watersheds as it plans to impose for the Syracuse and New York City watersheds was removed.

Local farmers Frederick Jensen and Douglas Freier voiced support for expanded natural gas drilling in the county. They said technology has improved to minimize environmental damage. And they touted the economic benefits to landowners from leases.

The committee approved the motion 3-2. Michael Reynolds, R-Covert, and Walt Prouty, R-Ovid, were opposed. When it came to the full board, it was approved 7-4, with a weighted vote of 435-183, with 133 votes absent.

Supporters said there are significant concerns about nvironmental damage to ground and surface water and pollution from the chemical-laden hydrofracking fluids.


Edited by kyle585 (06/16/11 11:21 AM)
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#1280698 --- 06/16/11 11:17 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
SportsNut Offline
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Registered: 09/02/08
Posts: 188
Loc: FingerLakes
No Jobs in PA, that is funny. I have some buddies that work in the Local Labor's Union, and they got a letter a couple weeks ago saying that if they wanted to work, the only jobs in the area are in PA working on the pipe lines and gas wells.One friend went back to work last week in PA on a pipe line, and they said they will be hiring another 200 people soon. This is in the Manfield's Area.

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#1280703 --- 06/16/11 11:40 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: SportsNut]
looseleaf Offline
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Registered: 10/19/10
Posts: 85
Loc: Seneca Falls
People in PA hate 'fracking? Read this: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1610


Edited by looseleaf (06/16/11 11:41 AM)

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#1280707 --- 06/16/11 12:01 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: looseleaf]
LittleKing Offline
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Registered: 05/08/01
Posts: 168
I'm very surprised to see the anti-Indian crusaders supporting state anti-Frack laws.

The only thing those laws will accomplish in Seneca and Cayuga Counties is create more unfair competition.

The Cayugas will buy up land in the claim area, claim exemption from environmental regulations and then frack away to their heart's content. In addition, because gas can "travel" from parcel to parcel, they'll be able to suck up the gas under land they don't own as well.

As a result, the non-Indian landowners will lose out on their royalties while the tribes will get richer.

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#1280764 --- 06/16/11 09:17 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
brainman Offline
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Registered: 06/04/11
Posts: 715
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Here's more food for thought:

Researchers Study Link To Earthquakes In Arkansas By SARAH EDDINGTON 04/20/11 11:41 PM ET

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Two natural gas exploration companies have agreed to extend the shutdowns of two injection wells in Arkansas as researchers study whether the operations are linked to more than 1,000 unexplained earthquakes in the region, a state commission said Wednesday.Chesapeake Energy Corp. and Clarita Operating LLC asked to postpone a scheduled April 26 hearing on the shutdowns until the Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission's next meeting on May 24, said Shane Khoury, deputy director and general counsel for the commission.
Wow. 1,000 earthquakes from drilling! Now who was the first guy to suggest that on here and get laughed at by some wise guy?



There's no evidence just theories like yours Kyle. We all know how good yours are don't we Kyle.
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#1280780 --- 06/17/11 05:55 AM Re: Frack legislation [Re: DeadDave]
DeadDave Offline
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Posts: 593
Loc: 6 feet under
Originally Posted By: DeadDave
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Harleybobb
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Wow. 1,000 earthquakes from drilling! Now who was the first guy to suggest that on here and get laughed at by some wise guy?
Don't worry kyle everyone will still laugh at you.

We need to stop worrying about fracking and earthquakes! We need to focus all our energy on getting the Gay Marriage bill passed!
You are so worried about that Gay Marriage bill makes me think you have a male lover waiting for you?
are u looking for a date?
Kyle did Bob quake ur world yet?

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