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#1280570 --- 06/15/11 04:56 PM Frack legislation
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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This is the last week of the legislative session in Albany. The New York State Senate is blocking all legislation to protect us from the dangers of hydrofracking. There are three important bills that the Senate should advance and vote on.

A.7400 Sweeney/S.5592 Carlucci -- One Year Moratorium on Hydrofracking: As we reported last week, the New York State Assembly has already passed a bill that would suspend all permitting for hydraulic fracturing until June 1, 2012. But this bill will go nowhere unless the Senate passes their own version and the governor signs it.

A.7013 Sweeney/S.4616 Avella -- Classifying Fracking Waste as Hazardous: Toxic drill cuttings and fluid wastes are coming over the border from Pennsylvanian gas wells into ill-equipped New York landfills and treatment centers, endangering the drinking water of millions. Even though fracking chemicals arrive at the drilling site as regulated hazardous materials, federal and state exemptions allow drillers to treat the same drilling wastes leaving the site as standard industrial waste. This bill will update current regulations so that all resulting waste from natural gas drilling meets the definition of hazardous waste under New York State law.

A.3245 Lifton/S.3472 Oppenheimer -- Restoring Local Protections Over Natural Gas Development (Home Rule): This bill will clarify a local government’s right to enact and enforce zoning laws within their jurisdiction to protect them from the negative impacts of oil and gas development. The burden of oil and gas development is an unfunded mandate on upstate communities if they are not allowed to use the most basic land-use planning tools to protect unique local assets.


If you would like to do more, call these members of the Senate Rules Committee:

Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos: (518) 455-3171
Senator James Alesi: (518) 455-2015

Senator Hugh Farley: (518) 455-2181
Senator Kemp Hannon: (518) 455-2200
Senator William Larkin: (518) 455-2770
Senator Kenneth LaValle: (518) 455-3121
Senator Thomas Libous: (518) 455-2677
Senator Carl Marcellino: (518) 455-2390
Senator George Maziarz: (518) 455-2024
Senator Michael Nozzolio: (518) 455-2366
Senator Stephen Saland: (518) 455-2411
Senator James Seward: (518) 455-3131

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#1280574 --- 06/15/11 05:09 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Rich, I'm more concerned about the state passing a bill about Gay Marriage than I am about Gas Drillers polluting our beautiful water ways.
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#1280578 --- 06/15/11 05:38 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybobb]
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Harley - you can bet they will pass a gay marriage bill just to collect the license fees. Then they will lose three times as much on state income tax from the deductions.

I think these frack bills are good and those interetsed may contact theor reps, but I don't expect the State legislature to do anything.

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#1280587 --- 06/15/11 06:06 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Harleybobb]
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Originally Posted By: Harleybobb
Rich, I'm more concerned about the state passing a bill about Gay Marriage than I am about Gas Drillers polluting our beautiful water ways.
Wow. Your priorities are nothing short of amazing.
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#1280596 --- 06/15/11 07:18 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: kyle585]
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It's time to drill, with controls. Allowing energy companies to tap the Marcellus shale will mean jobs, increased prosperity and a general improvement in the Upstate economy. Those against this process which has been proven over 60 years are misinformed and most likely being misled by the same people who invested their hope in the left and are still waiting for their $change$. License the energy companies, inspect their work and punish violations, but drill we must. Farmers have caused more damage to the lakes than fracking will cause. Manure, chemical runoff and mud from sloppy practices are the existing threats to our drinking water, not regulated energy production.


Edited by looseleaf (06/15/11 07:21 PM)

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#1280597 --- 06/15/11 07:41 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: looseleaf]
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NO FRACKING!!!!
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#1280598 --- 06/15/11 07:48 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: looseleaf]
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Originally Posted By: looseleaf
It's time to drill, with controls. Allowing energy companies to tap the Marcellus shale will mean jobs, increased prosperity and a general improvement in the Upstate economy. Those against this process which has been proven over 60 years are misinformed and most likely being misled by the same people who invested their hope in the left and are still waiting for their $change$. License the energy companies, inspect their work and punish violations, but drill we must. Farmers have caused more damage to the lakes than fracking will cause. Manure, chemical runoff and mud from sloppy practices are the existing threats to our drinking water, not regulated energy production.



Exactly you are 100% correct. These activist phonies need to find something better to do with their time instead of trying to stand in the way of progress. NY needs jobs and money and gas drilling will bring both.
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#1280599 --- 06/15/11 07:55 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
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Originally Posted By: brainman
Originally Posted By: looseleaf
It's time to drill, with controls. Allowing energy companies to tap the Marcellus shale will mean jobs, increased prosperity and a general improvement in the Upstate economy. Those against this process which has been proven over 60 years are misinformed and most likely being misled by the same people who invested their hope in the left and are still waiting for their $change$. License the energy companies, inspect their work and punish violations, but drill we must. Farmers have caused more damage to the lakes than fracking will cause. Manure, chemical runoff and mud from sloppy practices are the existing threats to our drinking water, not regulated energy production.



Exactly you are 100% correct. These activist phonies need to find something better to do with their time instead of trying to stand in the way of progress. NY needs jobs and money and gas drilling will bring both.


Pfft.
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#1280608 --- 06/15/11 09:00 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Go to some of the Pennsylvania communities that have allowed hydrofracking, as I have. It has torn the communities apart.

At the very least we need more information and more resident input before this kind of mining is allowed in our community. The dump is bad enough - how much more pollution does our groundwater need...
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#1280609 --- 06/15/11 09:03 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: looseleaf]
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Originally Posted By: looseleaf
It's time to drill, with controls. License the energy companies, inspect their work and punish violations, but drill we must.
The problem is that there are NO controls and it is NOT regulated. Halliburton's lobbyists got the feds to exempt this process even from federal EPA regulation. So without passing one or more of these bills at the State level, there is no regulation at all. Local zoning laws do not apply.

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#1280614 --- 06/15/11 09:15 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: A Better SF]
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Originally Posted By: A Better SF
Go to some of the Pennsylvania communities that have allowed hydrofracking, as I have. It has torn the communities apart.

At the very least we need more information and more resident input before this kind of mining is allowed in our community. The dump is bad enough - how much more pollution does our groundwater need...





You have evidence of groundwater contamination. Show us the evidence we would all like to see it. You can't and you know it. You're just running your mouth and can't back up anything you say with actual physical evidence. Typical activist crap. Use scare tactics to stall everything. In the meantime there are no jobs or money in NY. Ask the people in Pa. how much the drilling has boosted the economy. They will tell you it has had a substantial impact. Yes there have problems in some isolated areas but the good far outweighs the bad.
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#1280615 --- 06/15/11 09:18 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: looseleaf
It's time to drill, with controls. License the energy companies, inspect their work and punish violations, but drill we must.
The problem is that there are NO controls and it is NOT regulated. Halliburton's lobbyists got the feds to exempt this process even from federal EPA regulation. So without passing one or more of these bills at the State level, there is no regulation at all. Local zoning laws do not apply.



To say there are no controls and drilling isn't regulated is a bunch of crap. Drilling in Pa. is regulated by the DEP and the EPA.
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#1280617 --- 06/15/11 09:23 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://www.catskillmountainkeeper.org/node/290

and

http://catskillcitizens.org/index.cfm

http://njtoday.net/2011/06/13/nj-legislators-environmental-groups-call-for-nj-fracking-ban/

This backlash against fracking is reinforced by a report also released today by Food & Water Watch that highlights why natural gas drilling poses unacceptable risks to the American public. The Case for a Ban on Fracking shows how the natural gas industry's use of water-intensive, toxic, unregulated practices for natural gas extraction are compromising public health and polluting water resources necessary for human health and sanitation, businesses and agriculture.

"What we know and don't know about fracking is enough reason to ban it," said Jim Walsh, NJ Director of Food & Water Watch. "We are talking about our drinking water and a whole lot more," added Walsh.

Opponents of fracking cite the high potential for water and air pollution as a leading reason to ban the practice. Over 1,000 cases of water contamination have been reported near fracking sites. A study released by researchers at Duke University in April found methane levels in shallow drinking water wells near active gas drilling sites at a level 17 times higher than those near inactive ones. Similarly, a 2011 Cornell University study found that the process of fracking releases methane, which according to the EPA, is 21 times more damaging greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

"The first rule in public health and safety is do no harm and right now there is no fracking way that it is safe and a ban should be in place. Until we get rid of the Halliburton Loophole that exempts fracking from seven major federal environmental laws, including Superfund and the Clean Water Act, until all the different studies are done that independently analyze the impacts of fracking, we should not allow fracking to go forward. It is too risky to our environment and water supplies.

Read more: http://njtoday.net/2011/06/13/nj-legisla.../#ixzz1POvkENAI

for some light reading.

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#1280619 --- 06/15/11 09:35 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.catskillmountainkeeper.org/node/290

and

http://catskillcitizens.org/index.cfm

http://njtoday.net/2011/06/13/nj-legislators-environmental-groups-call-for-nj-fracking-ban/

This backlash against fracking is reinforced by a report also released today by Food & Water Watch that highlights why natural gas drilling poses unacceptable risks to the American public. The Case for a Ban on Fracking shows how the natural gas industry's use of water-intensive, toxic, unregulated practices for natural gas extraction are compromising public health and polluting water resources necessary for human health and sanitation, businesses and agriculture.

"What we know and don't know about fracking is enough reason to ban it," said Jim Walsh, NJ Director of Food & Water Watch. "We are talking about our drinking water and a whole lot more," added Walsh.

Opponents of fracking cite the high potential for water and air pollution as a leading reason to ban the practice. Over 1,000 cases of water contamination have been reported near fracking sites. A study released by researchers at Duke University in April found methane levels in shallow drinking water wells near active gas drilling sites at a level 17 times higher than those near inactive ones. Similarly, a 2011 Cornell University study found that the process of fracking releases methane, which according to the EPA, is 21 times more damaging greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

"The first rule in public health and safety is do no harm and right now there is no fracking way that it is safe and a ban should be in place. Until we get rid of the Halliburton Loophole that exempts fracking from seven major federal environmental laws, including Superfund and the Clean Water Act, until all the different studies are done that independently analyze the impacts of fracking, we should not allow fracking to go forward. It is too risky to our environment and water supplies.

Read more: http://njtoday.net/2011/06/13/nj-legisla.../#ixzz1POvkENAI

for some light reading.



Show me some real evidence not crap from activist groups. The fracking fluid that is used is the same fluid that was used to drill all the wells in southern SC and millions of wells nationwide. Why isn't water contamination showing up in SC where hundreds of wells have been drilled?
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#1280620 --- 06/15/11 09:38 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
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Originally Posted By: brainman
To say there are no controls and drilling isn't regulated is a bunch of crap. Drilling in Pa. is regulated by the DEP and the EPA.
exempts fracking from seven major federal environmental laws, including Superfund and the Clean Water Act. The environmental laws do not apply. What are they regulating, the card playing?

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#1280623 --- 06/15/11 09:45 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
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Originally Posted By: brainman
Show me some real evidence not crap from activist groups. The fracking fluid that is used is the same fluid that was used to drill all the wells in southern SC and millions of wells nationwide. Why isn't water contamination showing up in SC where hundreds of wells have been drilled?
There is no telling what fluid was used anywhere because the gas industry isn't telling what they use. All I was mentioning is that there should be regulations to assure that it is safe before it is done. You obviously are not concerned about that.

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#1280629 --- 06/15/11 10:16 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: brainman
Show me some real evidence not crap from activist groups. The fracking fluid that is used is the same fluid that was used to drill all the wells in southern SC and millions of wells nationwide. Why isn't water contamination showing up in SC where hundreds of wells have been drilled?
There is no telling what fluid was used anywhere because the gas industry isn't telling what they use. All I was mentioning is that there should be regulations to assure that it is safe before it is done. You obviously are not concerned about that.


I agree there should be regulations but not stalling tactics like what is being done now. NY needs the economic benefits of drilling now not two years from now. As far as the contents of fracking fluid it has been widely published despite what anti-frackers claim. It's 95% water and the chemicals are listed on Chesapeake Energy's website or you can find the list at the DEC website.
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#1280631 --- 06/15/11 10:19 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: brainman
To say there are no controls and drilling isn't regulated is a bunch of crap. Drilling in Pa. is regulated by the DEP and the EPA.
exempts fracking from seven major federal environmental laws, including Superfund and the Clean Water Act. The environmental laws do not apply. What are they regulating, the card playing?



Where do you dream up your staements from? It has been widely publicized the fines that have been levied by the EPA and DEP for violations of enviromental laws.
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#1280633 --- 06/15/11 10:51 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
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How is this???

Chesapeake handed record fine for Pennsylvania gas drillingBy Edward McAllister
NEW YORK | Tue May 17, 2011 3:44pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Pennsylvania regulators levied a record fine for contaminating drinking water against major natural gas producer Chesapeake Energy, a move that threatens to intensify a fierce debate over drilling for natural gas in the state.

The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection fined Chesapeake $900,000 for contaminating water supplies in Bradford County, a busy drilling area in the prolific Marcellus shale gas formation, the agency said on Tuesday. It was fined another $188,000 for a fire that injured three workers

The fine will again put a spotlight on hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, a controversial process used to extract natural gas from shale formations, which involves blasting a mix of water, chemicals and sand into the rock.
While public criticism has recently been focused on the possible contamination from fracking waste products, Tuesday's action stems from complaints that the gas itself had seeped into the drinking water.
The agency began an investigation in 2010 after receiving complaints from residents about drinking water near Chesapeake shale gas drilling sites. The agency concluded that coBOSntamination was caused by improper well casing and cementing, allowing seepage from non-shale shallow gas formations.
"The water well contamination fine is the largest single penalty DEP has ever assessed against an oil and gas operator," said Mike Krancer, secretary for the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP).
"Our message to drillers and to the public is clear."
Chesapeake Energy said in a statement that it will pay the fines and has improved its cementing and casing practices since the investigation.
The incidents occurred in the Marcellus shale gas formation, which is estimated to hold enough natural gas to meet U.S. demand for a decade or more. Attention is being drawn to the region by groups concerned about possible health risks from fracking, especially in relation to drinking water.
Neighboring New York state, home to a smaller stretch of the Marcellus shale formation, has halted permissions for shale drilling while it mulls the affect on drinking water.
Chesapeake suspended completion of natural gas wells in Pennsylvania for three weeks after a well blowout on April 19 sent thousands of gallons of drilling fluid spewing into the surrounding area and into local waterways.
Well completion is work to prepare a site for production after drilling has been completed and involves fracking.


Originally Posted By: brainman
Originally Posted By: A Better SF
Go to some of the Pennsylvania communities that have allowed hydrofracking, as I have. It has torn the communities apart.

At the very least we need more information and more resident input before this kind of mining is allowed in our community. The dump is bad enough - how much more pollution does our groundwater need...





You have evidence of groundwater contamination. Show us the evidence we would all like to see it. You can't and you know it. You're just running your mouth and can't back up anything you say with actual physical evidence. Typical activist crap. Use scare tactics to stall everything. In the meantime there are no jobs or money in NY. Ask the people in Pa. how much the drilling has boosted the economy. They will tell you it has had a substantial impact. Yes there have problems in some isolated areas but the good far outweighs the bad.


Edited by all seeing eye (06/15/11 11:05 PM)
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#1280634 --- 06/15/11 10:56 PM Re: Frack legislation [Re: brainman]
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Here's more food for thought:

Researchers Study Link To Earthquakes In Arkansas By SARAH EDDINGTON 04/20/11 11:41 PM ET

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Two natural gas exploration companies have agreed to extend the shutdowns of two injection wells in Arkansas as researchers study whether the operations are linked to more than 1,000 unexplained earthquakes in the region, a state commission said Wednesday.Chesapeake Energy Corp. and Clarita Operating LLC asked to postpone a scheduled April 26 hearing on the shutdowns until the Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission's next meeting on May 24, said Shane Khoury, deputy director and general counsel for the commission.

Khoury said the commission agreed to the continuance provided the companies not restart injection well operations at the two wells, both located in Faulkner County, before the May hearing.

"It was fine with us," Khoury said. "Our goal was to request a 60-day continuance of the shutdown at that meeting anyway. The more time we have, the more confident we will be with results of study."

BHP Billiton acquired the well from Chesapeake on March 31, but Khoury said the transfer request has not yet been received, so the commission recognizes Chesapeake as the owner.

It was the second time the owners of the two wells have filed for a continuance, with the first occurring before the March 29 hearing. The wells are used to dispose of waste fluid from natural gas production.

Clarita and Chesapeake agreed March 4 to temporarily cease injection operations at the request of the commission so scientists could analyze whether injection well operations were possibly causing the tremors.

The commission has said preliminary studies showed evidence potentially linking injection activities with more than 1,000 quakes in the north-central cities of Greenbrier and Guy since September, including the largest quake to hit the state in 35 years – a magnitude 4.7 on Feb. 27.

Kris Sava, BHP Billiton spokesperson, said in a written statement that the company's goal is "to develop the Fayetteville shale in line with our values of ensuring we fully protect people, the environment and communities where we operate."



Edited by all seeing eye (06/15/11 11:01 PM)
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