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#1438592 --- 03/02/14 11:28 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
Timbo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Technically, Congress has no more power over Indian nations than it does over individual states and general congressional laws are not applicable to them.

Technically, you are not a 'nation' if your entire existence depends on local, county, state and US federal governements to 'hold your hand'

Absolutely incorrect.

The Federal Government is obligated to 'administer' the welfare of the Indians, in accordance to the laws that they themselves forced upon the Indians.

It's spelled out clearly in the Constitution AND the Treaties.
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#1438598 --- 03/02/14 12:15 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
They still retain their Treaty and Constitutional rights regardless of whether or not they are citizens


show us the clause in the Constitution that relates to the NYS 'tribes'
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#1438599 --- 03/02/14 12:19 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The Federal Government is obligated to 'administer' the welfare of the Indians, in accordance to the laws that they themselves forced upon the Indians.


did you ask the queen for assistance?
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#1438601 --- 03/02/14 12:22 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The Federal Government is obligated to 'administer' the welfare of the Indians, in accordance to the laws that they themselves forced upon the Indians.

It's spelled out clearly in the Constitution AND the Treaties.


and in what treaty for the NYS 'tribes' does it state they are to receive free housing, free schooling, free healthcare...?
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#1438657 --- 03/02/14 03:34 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
They still retain their Treaty and Constitutional rights regardless of whether or not they are citizens

show us the clause in the Constitution that relates to the NYS 'tribes'

It doesn't HAVE to be NY tribes. The point is, The states have NO authority over the Indians. Period.

Read the citations that I provided.
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#1438658 --- 03/02/14 03:35 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The Federal Government is obligated to 'administer' the welfare of the Indians, in accordance to the laws that they themselves forced upon the Indians.

It's spelled out clearly in the Constitution AND the Treaties.

and in what treaty for the NYS 'tribes' does it state they are to receive free housing, free schooling, free healthcare...?

You're not too quick of a study, are you?
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#1438701 --- 03/03/14 01:27 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The Federal Government is obligated to 'administer' the welfare of the Indians, in accordance to the laws that they themselves forced upon the Indians.

It's spelled out clearly in the Constitution AND the Treaties.


and in what treaty for the NYS 'tribes' does it state they are to receive free housing, free schooling, free healthcare...?


In what treaty does it say that the over 5 million freeloading Welfare Rats are to receive free housing, free schooling, free healthcare...?

There is 1,000 times more able bodied, non Native, Welfare Rats sucking the system dry than there are Native Americans in NYS!

Furthermore I have told you 100+ times before ..... The Onondaga's here in Syracuse have their own health center, health insurance, school, fire department, and *Peace Keepers* all funded by their enterprises (smoke shop, cig factory, fire keepers restaurant, and multi purpose ice/lacrosse center)
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#1438733 --- 03/03/14 07:59 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
They still retain their Treaty and Constitutional rights regardless of whether or not they are citizens

show us the clause in the Constitution that relates to the NYS 'tribes'

It doesn't HAVE to be NY tribes. The point is, The states have NO authority over the Indians. Period.



that only applied when they were not US citizens and they were a 100% full blooded 'tribal' member

most of the members today are not even 10% 'tribal' blooded
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#1438736 --- 03/03/14 08:01 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
The Onondaga's here in Syracuse have their own health center, health insurance, school, fire department, and *Peace Keepers* all funded by their enterprises (smoke shop, cig factory, fire keepers restaurant, and multi purpose ice/lacrosse center)


all funded by you
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#1438739 --- 03/03/14 08:06 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
It doesn't HAVE to be NY tribes.


then how do you know it applies to the NYS 'tribes'?

are they all one in the same?
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#1438743 --- 03/03/14 08:11 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

the


so where is YOUR homeland?


so when will you seek to be 'paid back' for having to leave your continential homeland?
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#1438769 --- 03/03/14 09:34 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The Federal Government is obligated to 'administer' the welfare of the Indians, in accordance to the laws that they themselves forced upon the Indians.

It's spelled out clearly in the Constitution AND the Treaties.


and in what treaty for the NYS 'tribes' does it state they are to receive free housing, free schooling, free healthcare...?


In what treaty does it say that the over 5 million freeloading Welfare Rats are to receive free housing, free schooling, free healthcare...?

There is 1,000 times more able bodied, non Native, Welfare Rats sucking the system dry than there are Native Americans in NYS!

Furthermore I have told you 100+ times before ..... The Onondaga's here in Syracuse have their own health center, health insurance, school, fire department, and *Peace Keepers* all funded by their enterprises (smoke shop, cig factory, fire keepers restaurant, and multi purpose ice/lacrosse center)

I'm sure that the many tens-of-thousands of poor, disabled military veterans on public assistance will be sure to keep statements such as those, in mind, come next election cycle. Add to that number over 100,000,000 other veterans collecting food stamps, etc..

As will the other poor elderly, work-infirmed, mentally ill, and remaining 99% of those on public assistance.

Virtually every detailed study of welfare fraud, puts the number at less than 1%.

In the future, it would be wise to learn something about that which you make trumped-up charges against.
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#1438770 --- 03/03/14 09:45 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
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It doesn't HAVE to be NY tribes.
then how do you know it applies to the NYS 'tribes'?

are they all one in the same?

Because I've taken the time to learn how to read.
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#1438816 --- 03/03/14 03:38 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Oops... a much needed correction.

Make it "Add to that number over 100,000,000 1,000,000 other veterans collecting food stamps, etc.."
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#1438817 --- 03/03/14 03:41 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Keep answering yourself no one cares.

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#1438824 --- 03/03/14 04:44 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Oh, THIS Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D.?

I don't know as I can't find any direct evidence that it is. I suspect that neither can you.

Is this you or some other Rich Talcott?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2002/ucm145093.htm
http://epa-sites.findthedata.org/l/413097/Ashland-Farm
http://ec2-54-243-190-15.compute-1.amazonaws.com/persondetail.php?custnumber=A11581470


The only things you have proven is that you don't live in the area you are bashing and cannot spell a name correctly in a Google search. Whereas a Google on Dr. Mary Hamer does not appear to reference more than one Dr. Mary Hamer. Tubby revealed what a Google on Timbo is defined as.

Her apology is selective and there are other facts but hashing over century old history that has nothing to do with this thread is better dealt with on you tangent thread. I have better things to do.

Tell me, Rich...

What's your take on the greedy farmers who won't pay their fair share and expect tax payers to foot the bill for their "cushy" country lifestyle? Especially those who desire to possess even MORE land that belongs to Native Americans, in order to expand their little taxpayer-supported dairy and corn profit empires?

Any thoughts on that?
My thought is that you should tell a farmer what your opinions are and ask a farmer.

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#1438825 --- 03/03/14 04:53 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

I think this belongs here as well as on the Tribal News thread:


My reply is on the Tribal News Thread
#1438819 - Today at 04:43 PM Re: More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]

Your Wiki posts, which are obviously created by pro tribal supporters, tell half truths as much as the apology you posted.

Bunch of garbage.

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#1438828 --- 03/03/14 05:06 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
You really have no idea what is happening in Seneca county do you ?
Timbo OBVIOUSLY does not live anywhere near Seneca or Cayuga counties.

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#1438829 --- 03/03/14 05:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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While tribal nations do not enjoy direct access to U.S. courts to bring cases against individual states,

Ah, how could I neglect the lead statement?

The FACT is because the states are sovereign and the tribes are NOT, but are federal WARDS.

Your arguments are based on false assumptions, or to be not politically correct otherwise known as lies.

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#1438831 --- 03/03/14 05:31 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The U.S. constitution specifically mentions American Indians three times. Article I, section 2, clause 3 and the fourteenth amendment section 2 address the handling of "Indians not taxed" in the apportionment of the seats of the House of Representatives according to population and in so doing suggest that Indians need not be taxed.


(feel free to post the entire clause)

that was for voting rights
the 'tribal' members were given US citizenship in 1924
your point lacks merit

Your "facts" lack merit. They still retain their Treaty and Constitutional rights regardless of whether or not they are citizens (precisely as I already posted proof of).

The states have NO authority over the Indians.

You OBVIOUSLY do not even live in NYS>
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/25/232
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/25/233

These laws passed by congress RECOGNIZED the EXISTING State jurisdiction over the State Indian reservations.

The only BS that you have NOT argued is the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND argument for treaties while neglecting to include that a treaty is merely a congressional act that gets super ceded by every succeeding congressional act. Note that the above congressional acts were passed about 1952.

Better go have some more of your rock.

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