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#1234111 --- 11/16/10 02:55 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Originally Posted By: s2hphoto.com
If the beloved Sherrill ruling that you gloat about is so good they WHY are they having to rule on it a 4th time and like I have said 100 times before.... I see how well the ruling worked.... it's now 5 years later and NOTHING has been enforced So it could be years before they get a court date and another five years for them to enforce it. So basically no matter what they rule it will be worthless
The inaction of our elected officals and our courts is destroying America and some people think it is a joke. As long as they get cheap cigs and gas they don't care. How sad.
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#1234116 --- 11/16/10 03:43 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Why blame me.... it is our elected officials that take pay-offs that allow it to happen.
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#1234138 --- 11/16/10 06:03 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Why blame me.... it is our elected officials that take pay-offs that allow it to happen.
Yes they are. But you are supporting the corruption without which it would not happen. Without you buying the cigs and gas there would be no payoffs, right?
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#1234216 --- 11/17/10 05:29 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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I don't buy their gas and if I were to quit buying their smokes there would be 1,000 others to take my place
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#1234254 --- 11/17/10 07:16 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Originally Posted By: s2hphoto.com
Why blame me...


you support the tribe
hope you like how ray 'rulez' you
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#1234260 --- 11/17/10 07:36 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Originally Posted By: s2hphoto.com
I don't buy their gas and if I were to quit buying their smokes there would be 1,000 others to take my place
Then this corruption and payoffs could be stopped by you and 1,000 others who I am sure all gripe about high taxes and corrupt government officials. It never dawns on you all that you have the power to stop it.


Edited by kyle585 (11/17/10 07:38 AM)
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#1234267 --- 11/17/10 07:49 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Even if we all quit smoking and stop buying from the Indians there will STILL be high taxes and corrupt elected officials
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#1234293 --- 11/17/10 08:50 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Even if we all quit smoking and stop buying from the Indians there will STILL be high taxes and corrupt elected officials
Yes but there would be less of it. We have to start somewhere.
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#1234311 --- 11/17/10 10:35 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Originally Posted By: s2hphoto.com
Even if we all quit smoking and stop buying from the Indians there will STILL be high taxes and corrupt elected officials


less taxes and less corruption before the illegal cigs and illegal tribal casinos
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#1234360 --- 11/17/10 01:16 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Originally Posted By: s2hphoto.com
recently in 2005 when it ruled that nation land was not sovereign and thus subject to taxes."


the tribe can operate above the laws but NYS complies with them

NYS could have taken back all of the oneida land outside the 32 acres and also all of the cayugas land as they have no reservation
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#1237072 --- 12/01/10 11:03 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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"You don't do things in secret unless you've got something to hide," Oneida Nation leader Ray Halbritter told The Post-Standard


the oneidas do not like another tribe having a casino in the catskills but the oneidas only reason for not having NYS close their illegal casino was "because we employ people"

thought it was about jobs or is it about the oneidas being above the laws?
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#1237187 --- 12/01/10 06:06 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: dwarren

In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.



shut them down like any other illegal operation
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#1238949 --- 12/10/10 07:11 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Seneca Nation: Tax talks with state resume
Diana Louise Carter • Staff writer • December 10, 2010


A Representatives of the Seneca Nation of Indians, which is at odds with New York over casino payments and cigarette sales taxes, say they're talking with state officials again.

But a spokeswoman for Gov. David Paterson said late Thursday that the two sides are at an impasse and arbitration is needed.


Originally Posted By: dwarren


In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.



what is there to negotiate?

wonder if I could 'cut a deal' when my taxes are due?
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#1238955 --- 12/10/10 07:24 AM Re: $895 Million Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Just wondering Bluezone...how did your claim of the tribes owing 895 million at the start of this thread in July 2007 jump to 150 BILLION in 3 years 5 months.... PLEASE show me your facts!
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#1238958 --- 12/10/10 07:29 AM Re: $150 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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the article was 2002

have the cig taxes not increased plus interest?
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#1238959 --- 12/10/10 07:33 AM Re: $150 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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you claim the Indians dodge 3 billion a year in cig taxes... so 3 billion times 8 years it 24 BILLION... still a very far cry from 150 BILLION even with supposed *interest* NYS doesn't even have the power to get interest....the money is already spent before they get it!
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#1238964 --- 12/10/10 07:40 AM Re: $150 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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you have to go back when taxes were first placed on cigs
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#1238977 --- 12/10/10 08:31 AM Re: $150 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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I guarantee it is still nowhere near 150 billion... What was the tax on cigarettes when they were 24 cents in the machine and the penny change was in the pack cellophane??
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#1239038 --- 12/10/10 12:29 PM Re: $150 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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gas, cigs, land taking off the tax rolls, lawsuits, operating above the laws, threats of violence, state troopers expense...
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#1239066 --- 12/10/10 03:16 PM Re: $150 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
gas, cigs, land taking off the tax rolls, lawsuits, operating above the laws, threats of violence, state troopers expense...
You forgot that more people smoke with cheap smokes available. Then they get serious illnesses and it drives up health insurance for all of us.
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