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#1245595 --- 01/10/11 03:41 PM In the village of PennYan!
GhostofPY Offline
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Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 1
Loc: Backwoods politics of the Fing...
Hi i have been a proud local of Yates county my entire life. I have spent weeks reading your forums before i made my account. Unfortunatly im sick and have a few things to say.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS: You are all backwoods and crooked, grow up and be honest.
Gene: Stop protecting your warped kids, they brag that you help get them out of trouble in the bar rooms. You spent 3/4 of your career ruining the lifes of other people kids in this town, CONGRATS! You should feel like a fool in public, thats how your preceived.
Job Seekers: Dont feel down about needing a job and not wanting to look for one in Yates County. We have the lowest average income in the state. Employers only come here to exploit this, and most of the good jobs will be taken up by the family and friends (that failed at higher education) of the crooked public officials. Even if they dont deserve the job.
The Connection: The exact same company pays 20% more on average in other locations in the state. If your were to drive to one of these other locations and apply for a job with a Yates County address they would refer you to PY (Same company, less pay).
You lost nothing by this location closing if you liked your job go eltswhere now, you will get paid what you should be getting paid FINALLY!

If this town was concerned about money they would open up the private bars used by local authorites and public officials (Stocked with taxpayer money),(thats right i said it)to the public and charge accordingly. The only problem this would create is simple to identify, what if they pulled over Genes kid for DWI on accident?

Have a great day! Spend the tax money of the people you place yourself on a pedestal above with a smile on your face!

go ahead and delete my post Steve, most of you cant stand the truth. I understand.

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#1245606 --- 01/10/11 04:13 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: GhostofPY]
neutral Offline
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Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 60
Loc: NY
Many of us feel the same. Don't be afraid to say what is on your mind. Especially if you feel better afterwards!

Thanks for posting!

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#1245609 --- 01/10/11 04:17 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: GhostofPY]
Mean Gene Offline
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 2781
Loc: Yates County
Ghost of PY: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!!!

As far as my children go, one is in law school in NYC, One has his own business and has received a few traffic tickets during the 14 years he has been driving. (that I didn't try and get him out of) I have never had to "get him out of trouble".

The third is good person who's problems have been documented on this site. I didn't bail him out of jail when he was in there.

In another words you don't know what you are talking about regarding my family. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.
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#1245624 --- 01/10/11 05:06 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: GhostofPY]
beeba24 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 961
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: GhostofPY
Hi i have been a proud local of Yates county my entire life. I have spent weeks reading your forums before i made my account. Unfortunatly im sick and have a few things to say.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS: You are all backwoods and crooked, grow up and be honest.
Gene: Stop protecting your warped kids, they brag that you help get them out of trouble in the bar rooms. You spent 3/4 of your career ruining the lifes of other people kids in this town, CONGRATS! You should feel like a fool in public, thats how your preceived.
Job Seekers: Dont feel down about needing a job and not wanting to look for one in Yates County. We have the lowest average income in the state. Employers only come here to exploit this, and most of the good jobs will be taken up by the family and friends (that failed at higher education) of the crooked public officials. Even if they dont deserve the job.
The Connection: The exact same company pays 20% more on average in other locations in the state. If your were to drive to one of these other locations and apply for a job with a Yates County address they would refer you to PY (Same company, less pay).
You lost nothing by this location closing if you liked your job go eltswhere now, you will get paid what you should be getting paid FINALLY!

If this town was concerned about money they would open up the private bars used by local authorites and public officials (Stocked with taxpayer money),(thats right i said it)to the public and charge accordingly. The only problem this would create is simple to identify, what if they pulled over Genes kid for DWI on accident?

Have a great day! Spend the tax money of the people you place yourself on a pedestal above with a smile on your face!

go ahead and delete my post Steve, most of you cant stand the truth. I understand.
Tell me more about private bars being stocked by using tax payers money,are you talking about the fire department?

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#1245630 --- 01/10/11 05:16 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: GhostofPY]
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 281
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#1245666 --- 01/10/11 06:49 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Mean Gene]
wiseguy1 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 1993
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Ghost of PY: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!!!

As far as my children go, one is in law school in NYC, One has his own business and has received a few traffic tickets during the 14 years he has been driving. (that I didn't try and get him out of) I have never had to "get him out of trouble".

The third is good person who's problems have been documented on this site. I didn't bail him out of jail when he was in there.

In another words you don't know what you are talking about regarding my family. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.



Gene the part that I know about is how you are perceived by many people in this town. Ghost of PY is very accurate on this.

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#1245676 --- 01/10/11 07:10 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
beeba24 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 961
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: beeba24
Originally Posted By: GhostofPY
Hi i have been a proud local of Yates county my entire life. I have spent weeks reading your forums before i made my account. Unfortunatly im sick and have a few things to say.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS: You are all backwoods and crooked, grow up and be honest.
Gene: Stop protecting your warped kids, they brag that you help get them out of trouble in the bar rooms. You spent 3/4 of your career ruining the lifes of other people kids in this town, CONGRATS! You should feel like a fool in public, thats how your preceived.
Job Seekers: Dont feel down about needing a job and not wanting to look for one in Yates County. We have the lowest average income in the state. Employers only come here to exploit this, and most of the good jobs will be taken up by the family and friends (that failed at higher education) of the crooked public officials. Even if they dont deserve the job.
The Connection: The exact same company pays 20% more on average in other locations in the state. If your were to drive to one of these other locations and apply for a job with a Yates County address they would refer you to PY (Same company, less pay).
You lost nothing by this location closing if you liked your job go eltswhere now, you will get paid what you should be getting paid FINALLY!

If this town was concerned about money they would open up the private bars used by local authorites and public officials (Stocked with taxpayer money),(thats right i said it)to the public and charge accordingly. The only problem this would create is simple to identify, what if they pulled over Genes kid for DWI on accident?

Have a great day! Spend the tax money of the people you place yourself on a pedestal above with a smile on your face!

go ahead and delete my post Steve, most of you cant stand the truth. I understand.
Tell me more about private bars being stocked by using tax payers money,are you talking about the fire department?
I'm still waiting to hear from you,just maybe you made that part up?

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#1245682 --- 01/10/11 07:21 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
Daisy Duke Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 1778
Loc: Hazzard County


Welcome ghost! But remember the mods are always watching, as is Satan (the former mayor).
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#1245688 --- 01/10/11 07:45 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: wiseguy1]
dummy2 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 1012
Loc: Penn Yan
Originally Posted By: wiseguy1
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Ghost of PY: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!!!

As far as my children go, one is in law school in NYC, One has his own business and has received a few traffic tickets during the 14 years he has been driving. (that I didn't try and get him out of) I have never had to "get him out of trouble".

The third is good person who's problems have been documented on this site. I didn't bail him out of jail when he was in there.

In another words you don't know what you are talking about regarding my family. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.



Gene the part that I know about is how you are perceived by many people in this town. Ghost of PY is very accurate on this.


Coming from a guy who can't use his own name and was probably arrested by "Mean Gene."
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#1245698 --- 01/10/11 08:15 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: dummy2]
wiseguy1 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 1993
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: dummy2
Originally Posted By: wiseguy1
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Ghost of PY: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!!!

As far as my children go, one is in law school in NYC, One has his own business and has received a few traffic tickets during the 14 years he has been driving. (that I didn't try and get him out of) I have never had to "get him out of trouble".

The third is good person who's problems have been documented on this site. I didn't bail him out of jail when he was in there.

In another words you don't know what you are talking about regarding my family. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.



Gene the part that I know about is how you are perceived by many people in this town. Ghost of PY is very accurate on this.


Coming from a guy who can't use his own name and was probably arrested by "Mean Gene."


Never been arrested in my life. Shows how much you know huh?

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#1245706 --- 01/10/11 08:25 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: wiseguy1]
Daisy Duke Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 1778
Loc: Hazzard County
Rest assured, Dummy 2 is no dummy. Now the original dummy...2-3 years ago, different story.
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#1245707 --- 01/10/11 08:26 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Daisy Duke]
wiseguy1 Offline
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Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 1993
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Daisy Duke
Rest assured, Dummy 2 is no dummy. Now the original dummy...2-3 years ago, different story.


You're just a suck up.

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#1245721 --- 01/10/11 08:54 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: wiseguy1]
Daisy Duke Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 1778
Loc: Hazzard County
Why in the world would I suck up to Dummy 2? Oh brother.
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#1245723 --- 01/10/11 08:56 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Daisy Duke]
dummy2 Offline
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Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 1012
Loc: Penn Yan
Originally Posted By: Daisy Duke
Rest assured, Dummy 2 is no dummy. Now the original dummy...2-3 years ago, different story.


I miss dummy1.
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#1245747 --- 01/10/11 10:55 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: GhostofPY]
melinda Offline
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Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 85
Loc: california
I cannot believe what I'm reading on here. Ghost, my goodness have you or your children never done anything wrong in your life?
Just like Gene's kids or anyone in our own famlies we all have some things in the family closet.

Gene, has always been a great cop, even if he went after my own family member

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#1246086 --- 01/12/11 04:34 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: melinda]
Hank3 Offline
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Registered: 01/07/11
Posts: 83
Loc: new york, yates,
Ask Bobby Champlin how he feels about Gene...

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#1246105 --- 01/12/11 06:41 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Hank3]
dummy2 Offline
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Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 1012
Loc: Penn Yan
Oh here we go again. I think time is telling the story. There is little doubt that the ex "Mayor" of Penn tried to use his authority to protect his own bar stool hang out.
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#1246115 --- 01/12/11 07:29 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: dummy2]
gogonk Offline
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Registered: 08/14/09
Posts: 78
Loc: ny
Wow, thats exactly what penn yan needs more people going to the bars...Are you serious (Ghost). What penn yan needs is to stop giving welfare to those who pop out a millon kids just for a check.Force the bums to do community service,millys pantry is expecting many families to need help due to layoffs at the call center,well, Millys also needs volunteers,worrying about (gene) and his family is not going to stop penn yan from being run down full of drunks and druggies, all in line for free food on there cell phones!

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#1246241 --- 01/12/11 04:51 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: gogonk]
Samuel Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4495
Loc: Potter, NY
Originally Posted By: gogonk
Wow, thats exactly what penn yan needs more people going to the bars...Are you serious (Ghost). What penn yan needs is to stop giving welfare to those who pop out a millon kids just for a check.Force the bums to do community service,millys pantry is expecting many families to need help due to layoffs at the call center,well, Millys also needs volunteers,worrying about (gene) and his family is not going to stop penn yan from being run down full of drunks and druggies, all in line for free food on there cell phones!


Unfortunately drunks and druggies are well paid for their activity. I don't think you'll see them signing up for welfare or free food.

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#1246263 --- 01/12/11 05:45 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Samuel]
wiseguy1 Offline
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Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 1993
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Samuel
Originally Posted By: gogonk
Wow, thats exactly what penn yan needs more people going to the bars...Are you serious (Ghost). What penn yan needs is to stop giving welfare to those who pop out a millon kids just for a check.Force the bums to do community service,millys pantry is expecting many families to need help due to layoffs at the call center,well, Millys also needs volunteers,worrying about (gene) and his family is not going to stop penn yan from being run down full of drunks and druggies, all in line for free food on there cell phones!


Unfortunately drunks and druggies are well paid for their activity. I don't think you'll see them signing up for welfare or free food.


That comment makes no sense at all Samuel. Drunks and druggies spend all their money on booze and drugs and have no money. They are at the top of the list for welfare,food stamps and subsidized apartments.

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#1246272 --- 01/12/11 06:09 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: wiseguy1]
Samuel Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4495
Loc: Potter, NY
Originally Posted By: wiseguy1
Originally Posted By: Samuel
Originally Posted By: gogonk
Wow, thats exactly what penn yan needs more people going to the bars...Are you serious (Ghost). What penn yan needs is to stop giving welfare to those who pop out a millon kids just for a check.Force the bums to do community service,millys pantry is expecting many families to need help due to layoffs at the call center,well, Millys also needs volunteers,worrying about (gene) and his family is not going to stop penn yan from being run down full of drunks and druggies, all in line for free food on there cell phones!


Unfortunately drunks and druggies are well paid for their activity. I don't think you'll see them signing up for welfare or free food.


That comment makes no sense at all Samuel. Drunks and druggies spend all their money on booze and drugs and have no money. They are at the top of the list for welfare,food stamps and subsidized apartments.


Yeah, probably some. But I have known of a few in the area that have had lots-o-cash in their pocket and always have. From what I have seen people on drugs are dependent on their families. Not very often do they and resort to welfare.

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#1246334 --- 01/12/11 10:47 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Hank3]
melinda Offline
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Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 85
Loc: california
Why would I care about what Bobby Champlin has to say about Gene? He broke the ABC rules on Christmas Eve.

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#1246499 --- 01/13/11 07:23 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: melinda]
Daisy Duke Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 1778
Loc: Hazzard County
Originally Posted By: melinda
Why would I care about what Bobby Champlin has to say about Gene? He broke the ABC rules on Christmas Eve.

Exactly!
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#1246610 --- 01/14/11 06:17 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: GhostofPY]
beeba24 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 961
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: GhostofPY
Hi i have been a proud local of Yates county my entire life. I have spent weeks reading your forums before i made my account. Unfortunatly im sick and have a few things to say.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS: You are all backwoods and crooked, grow up and be honest.
Gene: Stop protecting your warped kids, they brag that you help get them out of trouble in the bar rooms. You spent 3/4 of your career ruining the lifes of other people kids in this town, CONGRATS! You should feel like a fool in public, thats how your preceived.
Job Seekers: Dont feel down about needing a job and not wanting to look for one in Yates County. We have the lowest average income in the state. Employers only come here to exploit this, and most of the good jobs will be taken up by the family and friends (that failed at higher education) of the crooked public officials. Even if they dont deserve the job.
The Connection: The exact same company pays 20% more on average in other locations in the state. If your were to drive to one of these other locations and apply for a job with a Yates County address they would refer you to PY (Same company, less pay).
You lost nothing by this location closing if you liked your job go eltswhere now, you will get paid what you should be getting paid FINALLY!

If this town was concerned about money they would open up the private bars used by local authorites and public officials (Stocked with taxpayer money),(thats right i said it)to the public and charge accordingly. The only problem this would create is simple to identify, what if they pulled over Genes kid for DWI on accident?

Have a great day! Spend the tax money of the people you place yourself on a pedestal above with a smile on your face!

go ahead and delete my post Steve, most of you cant stand the truth. I understand.
You're right the Village picked up the Elks club snow and hauled it away,I believe that's called thief of services or is it OK because several Village Board members belong to the CLUB?

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#1246619 --- 01/14/11 07:05 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Daisy Duke]
Joe Friday Offline
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Registered: 06/05/09
Posts: 390
Loc: joefriday100.blogspot.com
Really? The ABC rules were truly broken? Sure a complaint was filed, which isn't hard to do. What was the actual outcome of that investigation by the ABC and it's outcome? Was there cause for a warning or fine? After all, we are talking about the ABC, not the PYGOBC (Penn Yan Good Old Boys Club). Being accused doesn't always make it fact. Can someone shed some light on what the actual outcome was? I'm not talking about the local political spin, just the ABC's findings.

Daisy you're a Lloyds regular. Were you there that fateful Christmas Eve? Maybe you could shed some factual light on the subject for us!

Gotta love it...Penn Yan - "Where Drama is Everything!"
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#1246628 --- 01/14/11 09:10 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Joe Friday]
beeba24 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 961
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Joe Friday
Really? The ABC rules were truly broken? Sure a complaint was filed, which isn't hard to do. What was the actual outcome of that investigation by the ABC and it's outcome? Was there cause for a warning or fine? After all, we are talking about the ABC, not the PYGOBC (Penn Yan Good Old Boys Club). Being accused doesn't always make it fact. Can someone shed some light on what the actual outcome was? I'm not talking about the local political spin, just the ABC's findings.

Daisy you're a Lloyds regular. Were you there that fateful Christmas Eve? Maybe you could shed some factual light on the subject for us!

Gotta love it...Penn Yan - "Where Drama is Everything!"
The outcome was all bars now close at 8 on xmas eve.

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#1246785 --- 01/14/11 07:32 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
boogieman1 Offline
Member

Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 390
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: beeba24
Originally Posted By: GhostofPY
Hi i have been a proud local of Yates county my entire life. I have spent weeks reading your forums before i made my account. Unfortunatly im sick and have a few things to say.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS: You are all backwoods and crooked, grow up and be honest.
Gene: Stop protecting your warped kids, they brag that you help get them out of trouble in the bar rooms. You spent 3/4 of your career ruining the lifes of other people kids in this town, CONGRATS! You should feel like a fool in public, thats how your preceived.
Job Seekers: Dont feel down about needing a job and not wanting to look for one in Yates County. We have the lowest average income in the state. Employers only come here to exploit this, and most of the good jobs will be taken up by the family and friends (that failed at higher education) of the crooked public officials. Even if they dont deserve the job.
The Connection: The exact same company pays 20% more on average in other locations in the state. If your were to drive to one of these other locations and apply for a job with a Yates County address they would refer you to PY (Same company, less pay).
You lost nothing by this location closing if you liked your job go eltswhere now, you will get paid what you should be getting paid FINALLY!

If this town was concerned about money they would open up the private bars used by local authorites and public officials (Stocked with taxpayer money),(thats right i said it)to the public and charge accordingly. The only problem this would create is simple to identify, what if they pulled over Genes kid for DWI on accident?

Have a great day! Spend the tax money of the people you place yourself on a pedestal above with a smile on your face!

go ahead and delete my post Steve, most of you cant stand the truth. I understand.
You're right the Village picked up the Elks club snow and hauled it away,I believe that's called thief of services or is it OK because several Village Board members belong to the CLUB?
While they're at it they should be plowing the trustee's driveways also. Hey, if they need a new paved driveway summer is only months away, put your order in now trustee's.

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#1246787 --- 01/14/11 07:36 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
Daisy Duke Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 1778
Loc: Hazzard County
Originally Posted By: beeba24
Originally Posted By: Joe Friday
Really? The ABC rules were truly broken? Sure a complaint was filed, which isn't hard to do. What was the actual outcome of that investigation by the ABC and it's outcome? Was there cause for a warning or fine? After all, we are talking about the ABC, not the PYGOBC (Penn Yan Good Old Boys Club). Being accused doesn't always make it fact. Can someone shed some light on what the actual outcome was? I'm not talking about the local political spin, just the ABC's findings.

Daisy you're a Lloyds regular. Were you there that fateful Christmas Eve? Maybe you could shed some factual light on the subject for us!

Gotta love it...Penn Yan - "Where Drama is Everything!"
The outcome was all bars now close at 8 on xmas eve.

I am NOT a Lloyd's regular. We go maybe once every two months for wings. And good grief no, I wasn't there on Christmas Eve. I was home like most of you w/my family! I was at that special board meeting in Jan., when the then mayor read that ridiculous 5 page bunch of gobbledegook. It was the first village board meeting I'd been to, and I sat there thinking...these are the people charged w/governing PY???
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#1246794 --- 01/14/11 08:53 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Daisy Duke]
boogieman1 Offline
Member

Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 390
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: Daisy Duke
Originally Posted By: beeba24
Originally Posted By: Joe Friday
Really? The ABC rules were truly broken? Sure a complaint was filed, which isn't hard to do. What was the actual outcome of that investigation by the ABC and it's outcome? Was there cause for a warning or fine? After all, we are talking about the ABC, not the PYGOBC (Penn Yan Good Old Boys Club). Being accused doesn't always make it fact. Can someone shed some light on what the actual outcome was? I'm not talking about the local political spin, just the ABC's findings.

Daisy you're a Lloyds regular. Were you there that fateful Christmas Eve? Maybe you could shed some factual light on the subject for us!

Gotta love it...Penn Yan - "Where Drama is Everything!"
The outcome was all bars now close at 8 on xmas eve.

I am NOT a Lloyd's regular. We go maybe once every two months for wings. And good grief no, I wasn't there on Christmas Eve. I was home like most of you w/my family! I was at that special board meeting in Jan., when the then mayor read that ridiculous 5 page bunch of gobbledegook. It was the first village board meeting I'd been to, and I sat there thinking...these are the people charged w/governing PY???
By the way Brockman's letter was full of legal lies. Yes, it was proven to be full of lies. But hey, what the mayor wants Brokman provides. He's a hack!!!

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#1246829 --- 01/15/11 07:22 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Daisy Duke]
Joe Friday Offline
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Registered: 06/05/09
Posts: 390
Loc: joefriday100.blogspot.com
I'm sorry, I thought you were a regular since you have made many posts about the ex-mayor and others hanging out there. Must have been by chance sightings. I should be more careful about drawing such conclusions...no offense was intended Daisy.
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#1247007 --- 01/15/11 05:40 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Joe Friday]
Daisy Duke Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 1778
Loc: Hazzard County
No offense taken. Not a regular but go a few times a year. On any given Fri. eve I've been there the ex-mayor is there. At least he's stopped wearing suits w/shoulder pads. Good grief.
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#1247214 --- 01/16/11 12:52 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
S.P. King 2nd Offline
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 281
Loc: PARTYING!
Originally Posted By: beeba24
The outcome was all bars now close at 8 on xmas eve.


Wrong! That was not the outcome, that was and is the Yates County law, that all bars must close (actually at 8:30pm, 30 minutes after last call), that was always Yates County law, the ABC just reminded Lloyds of that through a letter, that was in no way "the outcome."

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#1247217 --- 01/16/11 01:01 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Joe Friday]
S.P. King 2nd Offline
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 281
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Originally Posted By: Joe Friday
Really? The ABC rules were truly broken? Sure a complaint was filed, which isn't hard to do. What was the actual outcome of that investigation by the ABC and it's outcome? Was there cause for a warning or fine?


http://www.chronicle-express.com/news/x833718680/Penn-Yan-business-owner-warned-to-obey-rules

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William Crowley Jr., spokesperson for the New York State Liquor Authority, says a letter of advice is sent in lieu of charges.

“It is part of the licensee’s record, but not considered disciplinary action against the licensee,” he explained.

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#1247220 --- 01/16/11 01:34 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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For anyone who doesn't know about the incident or can't remember the details, the Chronicle Express wrote a nice recap: http://www.chronicle-express.com/news/x603844297

Like officer Rago, I truly feel Champlin was put in the middle of a pi$$ing match between Mitchell and Marchionda Jr...

I don't know why people want to hate Bob Champlin so much? A proprietor wants to be open to give people an option, go out with friends...

Champlin is told by the Mayor of the Village he operates in that he advised the Chief of Police and responding officer to "leave Lloyds alone for the rest of the night"... He was basically given permission by the Mayor to stay open (whether the Mayor over stepped his boundaries or not is another discussion) and now people want to crucify Bob Champlin in this situation and want him to lose the tool that makes him money (liquor license)? How ridiculous! People want that outcome for one of three reasons 1) they are against people going to the bars, 2) feel everyone should stay at home on Xmass eve because that is their values and beliefs, or 3) a classic example of Penn Yan hatin', people are jealous that he has a successful business, they don't, (or are hatin' for any other number of reasons and want to see Bob crash and burn in any way shape or form.

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#1247223 --- 01/16/11 01:36 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
Originally Posted By: beeba24
The outcome was all bars now close at 8 on xmas eve.


Wrong! That was not the outcome, that was and is the Yates County law, that all bars must close (actually at 8:30pm, 30 minutes after last call), that was always Yates County law, the ABC just reminded Lloyds of that through a letter, that was in no way "the outcome."
The outcome was that all bars MUST CLOSE at 830 LAST CALL FOR THOSE THAT NO LIFE at 8,Gene was right.That was not always the law it became law in the early seventies,so I guess you were also WRONG.

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#1247225 --- 01/16/11 01:41 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
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Originally Posted By: beeba24
The outcome was that all bars MUST CLOSE at 830 LAST CALL FOR THOSE THAT NO LIFE at 8,Gene was right.That was not always the law it became law in the early seventies,so I guess you were also WRONG.


What are you talking about? You sound drunker than I am... You replied to Joe Friday who asked what the outcome was, you said the outcome was they must close at 8pm... You were WRONG that was not the outcome as it had been and still is Yates County, so that was not the outcome to the Lloyds incident. ;\)

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#1247245 --- 01/16/11 02:23 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
Originally Posted By: beeba24
The outcome was that all bars MUST CLOSE at 830 LAST CALL FOR THOSE THAT NO LIFE at 8,Gene was right.That was not always the law it became law in the early seventies,so I guess you were also WRONG.


What are you talking about? You sound drunker than I am... You replied to Joe Friday who asked what the outcome was, you said the outcome was they must close at 8pm... You were WRONG that was not the outcome as it had been and still is Yates County, so that was not the outcome to the Lloyds incident. ;\)
I beg your pardon that was the outcome Lloyds didn't want to follow the law and close at 830, now after the incident and the ABC investigation they must OBEY THE LAW ALL MUST CLOSE AT 830.

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#1247248 --- 01/16/11 02:41 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
For anyone who doesn't know about the incident or can't remember the details, the Chronicle Express wrote a nice recap: http://www.chronicle-express.com/news/x603844297

Like officer Rago, I truly feel Champlin was put in the middle of a pi$$ing match between Mitchell and Marchionda Jr...

I don't know why people want to hate Bob Champlin so much? A proprietor wants to be open to give people an option, go out with friends...

Champlin is told by the Mayor of the Village he operates in that he advised the Chief of Police and responding officer to "leave Lloyds alone for the rest of the night"... He was basically given permission by the Mayor to stay open (whether the Mayor over stepped his boundaries or not is another discussion) and now people want to crucify Bob Champlin in this situation and want him to lose the tool that makes him money (liquor license)? How ridiculous! People want that outcome for one of three reasons 1) they are against people going to the bars, 2) feel everyone should stay at home on Xmass eve because that is their values and beliefs, or 3) a classic example of Penn Yan hatin', people are jealous that he has a successful business, they don't, (or are hatin' for any other number of reasons and want to see Bob crash and burn in any way shape or form.

SK2, I doubt anyone wants to see "Bob crash and burn". The only reason we don't go there more often for wings/pizza is it is clearly where the ex-mayor holds court and it's the land of Brockmanville. The facts have been established...there was a local ordinance mandating the early closure on Christmas Eve. Did the owner of Lloyd's know about this? He should have, being a bar owner. Did the then mayor over step his bounds? You betcha! PYPD was just trying to enforce what they're charged w/enforcing. Do I agree w/how Officer Rago played it out? I wasn't there, but if the accounts in the media are at all accurate, absolutely not.
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#1247252 --- 01/16/11 03:01 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Daisy Duke]
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King,
You could not be further from the turth. I have known Bobby all my life. I would never want to see him or anyone else lose their business. I agree the NYS law regarding closing bars at 8:00 pm is absurd. There are plenty of people who have no family, and no place to go on Xmas eve. They want to go to a bar for company (so not to be alone and depressed). I don't know about the pissing match but I do believe the Mayor over stepped his bounds. Rago and Gene were just doing their jobs.

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#1247257 --- 01/16/11 03:48 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
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Beeba24, The outcome was that the ABC sent the owner of Lloyds a [i]"Letter of Advice notifying him that he must observe specific closing hours or risk disciplinary action by the authority."

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#1247258 --- 01/16/11 03:51 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: melinda]
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Originally Posted By: melinda
I agree the NYS law regarding closing bars at 8:00 pm is absurd.


It is actually a County law not a State law......and out of the handful of Counties that require bars to close on Christmas Eve, Yates County has the earliest closing time in ENTIRE State!

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#1247259 --- 01/16/11 03:55 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: melinda]
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Originally Posted By: melinda
There are plenty of people who have no family, and no place to go on Xmas eve. They want to go to a bar for company (so not to be alone and depressed).


That's a stretch, to assume anyone and everyone at the bar on Christmas Eve has no family and no where to go, and wants to be in the bar to find the comfort of other sorry saps... Have you ever thought that maybe some people enjoy being with friends and/or family in a bar setting?

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#1247262 --- 01/16/11 04:08 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
Originally Posted By: melinda
I agree the NYS law regarding closing bars at 8:00 pm is absurd.


It is actually a County law not a State law......and out of the handful of Counties that require bars to close on Christmas Eve, Yates County has the earliest closing time in ENTIRE State!


So what. It is a local law and it was passed by the people of the village. IF bar owners break the law they should pay the price. Not expect the Mayor to give the Police Chief a hard time to ignore it because it's his bar stool is located there.

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#1247264 --- 01/16/11 04:16 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: 1M&M]
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Who in this village voted to pass this law? This was a law passed at least 40 years ago! This is an absurd law that should be repealed!


...and follow along the owner did pay price in the form of a letter from the ABC advising him to observe the closing times, and follow the law. So why are you still arguing it? The governing body on the matter ruled on it and that was the result, a letter. What more of a punishment do you see fit?

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#1247269 --- 01/16/11 05:03 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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I really think you like to be an idiot. I did not say that everyone in a bar on Xmas eve is lonely and miserable. Most families do not want to be in a bar on Xmas eve, they can be at home and have food and drink.

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#1247274 --- 01/16/11 05:30 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
Beeba24, The outcome was that the ABC sent the owner of Lloyds a [i]"Letter of Advice notifying him that he must observe specific closing hours or risk disciplinary action by the authority."
I agree he was told Gene was right the soon to be convicted felon Mayor was wrong and that closing at 830 for all on Xmas eve is the outcome of this complaint.

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#1247315 --- 01/16/11 08:28 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: beeba24]
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Yates County has it that the bars close early on Christmas Eve (no sales after 8). They then have it that they can stay open late on New Year's Eve (until 3 o'clock). Makes sense to me. It's been that way since the 70's (or earlier).
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#1247465 --- 01/17/11 01:23 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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The bottom line is the law has been in effect since the early seventies when I tended bar there (the R&M). Yes Bob did know as I had a discussion and double checked with the SLA after he stayed open the previous year. if we ignored sending a letter to the SLA for that violation it would be like letting Bob have special privleges opposed to other bars that have followed the law for years. I always liked Bob and enjoyed going there.
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#1247477 --- 01/17/11 02:14 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
if we ignored sending a letter to the SLA for that violation it would be like letting Bob have special privleges opposed to other bars that have followed the law for years. I always liked Bob and enjoyed going there.


Mean Gene, what is the purpose of the law? Who is being hurt if adults choose to gather with friends and/or family or even sit in the corner and drink by themselves past 8pm on Christmas Eve? I'm just trying to understand this law, considering out of a handful of Counties that have this law, Yates County has the earliest time a bar must stop serving on Christmas Eve...???

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#1247488 --- 01/17/11 03:02 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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I don't know the purpose of it. It is a Yates county (local rule) law. I am assuming it was enacted in hopes that people would be home with their families on xmas eve. Christmas is a time of year of heightened domestic issues involving families. perhaps it was intended to try and lower the domestic complaints of "where's dad?" on xmas eve.
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#1247615 --- 01/17/11 08:14 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
I don't know the purpose of it. It is a Yates county (local rule) law. I am assuming it was enacted in hopes that people would be home with their families on xmas eve. Christmas is a time of year of heightened domestic issues involving families. perhaps it was intended to try and lower the domestic complaints of "where's dad?" on xmas eve.


At first I though this was a stupid local law put into place over 40 years ago, and didn't see what the purpose was. It's looking more and more like it was intended to force the values and religion of the law makers (of that time) onto all of the people residing in Yates County.

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#1247628 --- 01/17/11 08:57 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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The normal legal closing time in Yates is 1 AM. The deal was made to close at 8 PM on Christmas Eve and have the bars stay open until 3 AM on New Year's Eve. I don't know if it was done on Religious principle or not, but it seems to me the bars would do more business on New Year's Eve than Christmas Eve.
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#1247632 --- 01/17/11 09:36 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: McLovin']
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Yea but what "deal"? If that was the case it was obviously a settlement between local law makers o the issue, it's not like bars must be closed for a certain amount hours per year, and by closing christmas eve we get to stay open later on news years eve because we saved hours.

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#1247646 --- 01/17/11 10:52 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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I believe the serving of alcohol is the issue. A restaurant can serve food until closing time Christmas Eve or any other time. Last call was at 8pm and Rago came in shortly thereafter, before 8:30pm, and told Champlin to close down and the rest is well documented history. There were people eating dinner in the booths, as I am told, when the officer came in, and although last call drinks were being consumed, no alcohol was served after 8pm according to witnesses.

The history of the R&M and Lloyds up to the time Champlin purchased it nearly 12 years ago, was primarily a "bar business", not a full menu bar/restaurant as it is under Champlin's proprietorship. Had this been a restaurant, lets say like the Essenhaus that doesn't sell alcohol, would this had been such a huge issue? Does this ordinance only apply to the bar trade to shut down because of alcohol, leaving non-alcohol based businesses to freely operate after 8:30pm on Christmas eve? Can grocery stores still sell beer after 8:30pm as well? After all, that implies profits from the sale of alcohol and the subsequent consumption of it. Yes a bit of a stretch, but still a good point of argument.

As stated, it's a local ordinance not a state law and could be subject to challenge and changed if so enacted upon. Perhaps if the PD wasn't so quick to make a point, after considerable research, and entered at, let's say, 8:31pm, perhaps there would have been firmer ground to stand on and just perhaps a few less calls might have been made that night. Just a thought...Gene is now enjoying his retirement and ALL the bars are closed on Christmas Eve for the past few years, so the drama is over and the case is closed...right?
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#1247743 --- 01/18/11 10:11 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Joe Friday]
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Yes the "drama" is over Joe, you have re-stated one of the many different stories Bob came up with. Rago saw him serving drinks after 8PM. If he wasn't so young and eager to do his job he would have waited another hour, then spoke to Bob about what he was doing. Bob's intial comment to Rago when he finally stepped outside to talk to Mike was "I thought it was 9PM, not 8". Yes Bob could have stayed open all night to serve food w/o booze being served. Your argument about retail sales is the spin the Brockman put on his 5 page fairy tail that Marchionda read at a board meeting w/0 letting anyone ask questions or comment.
Marchionda then ran out of the board meeting and approached one of my Sergeants and told him that "Mitchell is F____ed". Myself and Bob knew I was right all along. The problem with Dougie is he would never admit he was wrong on anything. BTW he did apologize to me well after the fact when there was no one else in the room to hear the apology.
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#1247760 --- 01/18/11 11:06 AM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: S.P. King 2nd]
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Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
I don't know the purpose of it. It is a Yates county (local rule) law. I am assuming it was enacted in hopes that people would be home with their families on xmas eve. Christmas is a time of year of heightened domestic issues involving families. perhaps it was intended to try and lower the domestic complaints of "where's dad?" on xmas eve.


At first I though this was a stupid local law put into place over 40 years ago, and didn't see what the purpose was. It's looking more and more like it was intended to force the values and religion of the law makers (of that time) onto all of the people residing in Yates County.


No it is to keep drunken heathen like SK off the streets so Santa Clause can visit. Yeah, I said it.

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#1247973 --- 01/18/11 07:39 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Samuel]
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Originally Posted By: Samuel
Originally Posted By: S.P. King 2nd
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
I don't know the purpose of it. It is a Yates county (local rule) law. I am assuming it was enacted in hopes that people would be home with their families on xmas eve. Christmas is a time of year of heightened domestic issues involving families. perhaps it was intended to try and lower the domestic complaints of "where's dad?" on xmas eve.


At first I though this was a stupid local law put into place over 40 years ago, and didn't see what the purpose was. It's looking more and more like it was intended to force the values and religion of the law makers (of that time) onto all of the people residing in Yates County.


No it is to keep drunken heathen like SK off the streets so Santa Clause can visit. Yeah, I said it.

SK just likes Lloyd's 'cause it's near the homestead under the bridge.
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#1248805 --- 01/22/11 12:53 PM Re: In the village of PennYan! [Re: Samuel]
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Originally Posted By: Samuel
No it is to keep drunken heathen like SK off the streets so Santa Clause can visit.


Not true! I can/could drink at mine or my buddies place then go out looking for Santa.

In fact I think more people drink at home or go to "house parties" than frequent bars in town these days. Bars seem to be the LAST industry left in town, maybe the local government should support them a little more instead of giving them problems.

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